Why are there still Monkeys?

[FearGod]

Do you even have the slightest clue as to what the article actually is saying?

Last Ape-Human ancestor found in Spain.

 

[metis]

Last Ape-Human ancestor found in Spain.

Read it again.

 

[ScuzManiac]

Last Ape-Human ancestor found in Spain.

Well, you just failed.

 

[FearGod]

Well, you just failed.

And you have to point where is the fault.

 

[outhouse]

I keep said poster on ignore, there will be no debating going on at all, no matter 1+1+2 you will never get a 2 out of him.

 

[MD]

I keep said poster on ignore, there will be no debating going on at all, no matter 1+1+2 you will never get a 2 out of him.

You're derailing the thread, stay on point about the discussion!

 

[idav]

Whereas a new evidence shows that the last common ancestor was in Spain.

Your talking to the wrong people.

Mitochondrial Eve is estimated to have lived between 99,000 and 200,000 years ago,[3][4][5]*most likely in*East Africa,[6]*when*Homo sapiens sapiens*(anatomically modern humans) were developing as a population distinct from other human sub-species.

Mitochondrial Eve - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[FearGod]

Your talking to the wrong people.

Mitochondrial Eve is just living in your imagination.

If Eve lived before 200000 years ago then why human civilization started only before 10000 years.

 

[outhouse]

You're derailing the thread, stay on point about the discussion!

What discussion. ????????

You have someone who refuses to acept the facts at hand, and is dancing around them.

Are you in tow? is the question. I have a few more years debating this person then you.

 

[FearGod]

I keep said poster on ignore, there will be no debating going on at all, no matter 1+1+2 you will never get a 2 out of him.

It isn't 1+1+2, and you can get from me 2 by saying 1+1 = 2
Typing mistakes do happen

 

[idav]

Mitochondrial Eve is just living in your imagination.

If Eve lived before 200000 years ago then why human civilization started only before 10000 years.

I have nothing riding on these dates, I dont need eve to be real. It isnt eve though, it is the estimation for the dna mitochondrial common female ancestor. It can be traced and dna confirms found fossils. There were so many hominid type species found all over Africa it is no wonder thats where humans trace from. Denying it is not accepting facts based on current knowledge and testing.

 

[Parsimony]

Whereas a new evidence shows that the last common ancestor was in Spain.

You do realize that populations can migrate, right? Or is it that you now doubt that Europeans are descended from Africans?

The link says that it is believed to be the last common ancestor of all great apes and humans. It is not the same as the human-chimp common ancestor (which would have probably lived in Africa).

 

[metis]

Last Ape-Human ancestor found in Spain.

What you are missing is that the Spanish find deals not with the ape-human split directly, which appears to have taken place somewhere around 6 million years ago, but instead it deals with a possible common ancestor to all the great apes, and much later, humans.

 

[MD]

I have a few more years debating this person then you.

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:takeabow::takeabow:

:sarcastic

 

[FearGod]

I have nothing riding on these dates, I dont need eve to be real. It isnt eve though, it is the estimation for the dna mitochondrial common female ancestor. It can be traced and dna confirms found fossils. There were so many hominid type species found all over Africa it is no wonder thats where humans trace from. Denying it is not accepting facts based on current knowledge and testing.

How many samples were taken from all over the world to check for the mitochondria and the haplotypes, time for mutations can never be fixed, so the date 200000 years is a guess work.

 

[FearGod]

You do realize that populations can migrate, right? Or is it that you now doubt that Europeans are descended from Africans?

The link says that it is believed to be the last common ancestor of all great apes and humans. It is not the same as the human-chimp common ancestor (which would have probably lived in Africa).

Why the last common ancestors didn't evolve to humans while in Spain ?
Why it has to immigrate to Africa and then the human-chimp common ancestor evolved in Africa and then immigrate to Europe while the chimp stayed in Africa.

That is a wishful thinking.

 

[FearGod]

What you are missing is that the Spanish find deals not with the ape-human split directly, which appears to have taken place somewhere around 6 million years ago, but instead it deals with a possible common ancestor to all the great apes, and much later, humans.

Did i say otherwise.

 

[idav]

How many samples were taken from all over the world to check for the mitochondria and the haplotypes, time for mutations can never be fixed, so the date 200000 years is a guess work.

You just wanna say it is guesswork which amounts to trying to undermine the science behind it. IOW you choose to ignore the evidence. I dont really think you truly understand or appreciate the ramifications of the evidence dna provides.

Despite the difficulties of formally testing evolution—especially back across the eons tothe emergence of life itself—Theobald was able to run rigorous statistical analyses on the amino acid sequences in 23 universally conserved proteins across the three major divisions of life (eukaryotes, bacteria and archaea). By plugging these sequences into various relational and evolutionary models, he found that a universal common ancestor is at least 10^2,860 more likely to have produced the modern-day protein sequence variances than even the next most probable scenario (involving multiple separate ancestors).*"Evolution does well where it can be tested,"*

The Proof Is in the Proteins: Test Supports Universal Common Ancestor for All Life - Scientific American

 

[FearGod]

You just wanna say it is guesswork which amounts to trying to undermine the science behind it. IOW you choose to ignore the evidence. I dont really think you truly understand or appreciate the ramifications of the evidence dna provides.

I didn't ignore the evidence but the guesswork that were built on it.

 

[Parsimony]

Why the last common ancestors didn't evolve to humans while in Spain ?

(1) Because the combination of mutations and selection pressures simply didn't lead to that happening, and (2) the apes likely became extinct in Spain before such evolution could occur there. The direction that evolution takes is extremely sensitive to the mutations that happen in a population and the circumstances that the population is subject to. If you want to propose that all mutations and environments were predetermined by God before creating the world, I think that's fine since science cannot distinguish between truly random and supernaturally-planned mutations.

Why it has to immigrate to Africa and then the human-chimp common ancestor evolved in Africa and then immigrate to Europe while the chimp stayed in Africa.

That is a wishful thinking.

That's just how the interplay between genes and environment made it turn out. It didn't necessarily have to turn out that way. Or, if you want to go with a divine intervention explanation, then that's just the series of events that God made happen so that humans would come into existence.