Why are there still Monkeys?

[Mycroft]

And the Negros after some hundreds of years evolved to blonde and white skin in the US. :sarcastic

That was the most pointless reply to a detailed article on observable evolution I have ever seen. It's almost as if you didn't read the article or begin to even understand it.

 

[FearGod]

That was the most pointless reply to a detailed article on observable evolution I have ever seen. It's almost as if you didn't read the article or begin to even understand it.

Cherry picking doesn't work with me.

 

[idav]

I didn't ignore the evidence but the guesswork that were built on it.

Thing is, they are predictions, much like humans can do, the imortant thing is its confirmable without the guess work. The other theory, the orchid theory at least can be tested as well, but it aint passing, which then in turn makes young earth creation laughable.

 

[metis]

Did i say otherwise.

By implication, yes, as it was quite obvious you really didn't understand what the article was saying. You can slap your head all you want, but the reality that you didn't understand it was quite obvious, and I wasn't the only one who commented as such.

 

[metis]

Why the last common ancestors didn't evolve to humans while in Spain ?
Why it has to immigrate to Africa and then the human-chimp common ancestor evolved in Africa and then immigrate to Europe while the chimp stayed in Africa.

That is a wishful thinking.

Apparently you're totally unaware of the fact that animals often move, especially to find better sources of food, and also especially since we're talking about millions of years that this process of dispersion was taking place.

But let me also mention that there's a huge element of intellectual hypocrisy with your positions here. We are working with objective evidence when dealing with the question of human ancestry, even though admittedly the evidence is sketchy when one goes back as far as we've taken it. OTOH, you obviously take your religious beliefs as a given, whereas there is no objective evidence for a "God", no way to determine whether it's even "God" or "Gods", and there's literally no way to establish Jesus as "the only son of God".

So, you blindly believe in your religious positions while at the same time pooh-poohing the evidence that we in science are dealing with, and then you have the unmitigated gal to laugh at us?

 

[FearGod]

By implication, yes, as it was quite obvious you really didn't understand what the article was saying. You can slap your head all you want, but the reality that you didn't understand it was quite obvious, and I wasn't the only one who commented as such.

Think as you wish but the fact remains that the last common ancestor which is apes like was found in Spain and the common ancestor for chimps and humans evolved in Africa,that is stupid thing to believe in.

 

[FearGod]

Apparently you're totally unaware of the fact that animals often move, especially to find better sources of food, and also especially since we're talking about millions of years that this process of dispersion was taking place.

Africa was a better place for the evolution of human than Spain.

 

[FearGod]

Thing is, they are predictions, much like humans can do, the imortant thing is its confirmable without the guess work. The other theory, the orchid theory at least can be tested as well, but it aint passing, which then in turn makes young earth creation laughable.

What is laughable is to believe in randomness,chances and the nonsense.

[youtube]_rdQ2Wyqdgk[/youtube]
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_rdQ2Wyqdgk

 

[metis]

Think as you wish but the fact remains that the last common ancestor which is apes like was found in Spain and the common ancestor for chimps and humans evolved in Africa,that is stupid thing to believe in.

If that 13 million year previous proto-ape was successful in its adaptation, then simple logic should tell you that it's offspring would not only most likely succeed in surviving, but also that they would spread out over time.

 

[idav]

What is laughable is to believe in randomness,chances and nonsense.

From my discussions with you on it, you believe the same thing and prefer not to call it random. Call it nonsense and your own arguments explode themselves. For example the act of conception is rather random is it not, millions of sperm, like rolling dice, like one lucky sperm winning the lottery?

edit: sorry can't watch the video at this time.

 

[FearGod]

If that 13 million year previous proto-ape was successful in its adaptation, then simple logic should tell you that it's offspring would not only most likely succeed in surviving, but also that they would spread out over time.

I see that you are making yourself looking fool indeed.

If the last common ancestor lived for millions of years in Spain and some immigrated to Africa then where had the last common ancestor gone.

IOW how it survived millions of years and then reached Africa before being extincted in Spain.

 

[Triumphant_Loser]

I see that you are making yourself looking fool indeed.

If the last common ancestor lived for millions of years in Spain and some immigrated to Africa then where had the last common ancestor gone.

IOW how it survived millions of years and then reached Africa before being extincted in Spain.

With that grammar, I suppose you are actually the one making yourself "looking fool indeed."

 

[metis]

Africa was a better place for the evolution of human than Spain.

In terms of what happened with the environment, yes. And your facepalm only indicates to me that your ignorance is even more profound than I previously thought.

As I mentioned in my last post, if successful, this proto-ape would have reproduced and spread to other areas, undoubtedly in search for food. One of the problems with success is that an organism can begin to outstrip the local food supply, and this is true with humans as well.

In eastern Africa, there was a movement of plates whereas in the Rift Valley area, mountain ranges appeared, causing the eastern region to begin to go drier. With the consequence of forests giving away to savannas with fewer trees, this forced many species to either adapt or go extinct through the process of natural selection. It is this environmental strain which appears to have forced adjustments for our ape-like ancestors in that region, encouraging upright bipedalism that clearly shows up in our earliest ancestors.

Now, since I have offered you some explanation, what objectively-derived evidence do you have for your belief in God and Jesus being "the son of God"?

 

[metis]

I see that you are making yourself looking fool indeed.

If the last common ancestor lived for millions of years in Spain and some immigrated to Africa then where had the last common ancestor gone.

IOW how it survived millions of years and then reached Africa before being extincted in Spain.

Oh, the above is "precious". Clueless-- totally clueless.

 

[FearGod]

From my discussions with you on it, you believe the same thing and prefer not to call it random. Call it nonsense and your own arguments explode themselves. For example the act of conception is rather random is it not, millions of sperm, like rolling dice, like one lucky sperm winning the lottery?

edit: sorry can't watch the video at this time.

You don't realize the difference between body and soul.

Again sperm count was needed to be in millions and it is designed to be so and not a work of randomness.

 

[FearGod]

Oh, the above is "precious". Clueless-- totally clueless.

Explain why.

 

[FearGod]

In terms of what happened with the environment, yes. And your facepalm only indicates to me that your ignorance is even more profound than I previously thought.

As I mentioned in my last post, if successful, this proto-ape would have reproduced and spread to other areas, undoubtedly in search for food. One of the problems with success is that an organism can begin to outstrip the local food supply, and this is true with humans as well.

In eastern Africa, there was a movement of plates whereas in the Rift Valley area, mountain ranges appeared, causing the eastern region to begin to go drier. With the consequence of forests giving away to savannas with fewer trees, this forced many species to either adapt or go extinct through the process of natural selection. It is this environmental strain which appears to have forced adjustments for our ape-like ancestors in that region, encouraging upright bipedalism that clearly shows up in our earliest ancestors.

Now, since I have offered you some explanation, what objectively-derived evidence do you have for your belief in God and Jesus being "the son of God"?

What evidences you have which prove that the last common ancestor immigrated from Spain and reached Africa while searching for food.

Do we have fossils for Pierolapithecus catalaunicus in Africa ?

Show me that you aren't ignorant by supporting your words with evidences than just bla bla bla

 

[FearGod]

With that grammar, I suppose you are actually the one making yourself "looking fool indeed."

We aren't discussing English grammars here. :sarcastic

 

[metis]

Explain why.

Most organisms don't fossilize since the fossilization process can only occur under highly restrictive conditions. Therefore, the Spanish find would only be one of myriads of organisms like it, and they may have lived over a wide area around the Mediterranean and maybe elsewhere. Just because one fossilized proto-ape shows up in Spain doesn't mean that all of them lived there or that their descendants would have had to stay there. Nor can we conclude that they only existed 13 million years ago as the evolution of species is not some sort of constant.

Needless to say, this entire process is not simple, so it's not like that evolution occurs very nice and gradual along some sort of simplistic path. Instead, it's much more a herky-jerky process.

 

[metis]

What evidences you have which prove that the last common ancestor immigrated from Spain and reached Africa while searching for food.

Do we have fossils for Pierolapithecus catalaunicus in Africa ?

Show me that you aren't ignorant by supporting your words with evidences than just bla bla bla

You have not provided us with any evidence yourself, including the evidence I called for regarding your religious beliefs (btw, I didn't realize you're Muslem, so part of what I asked doesn't apply). There are a fair number of articles on the above, so let me just post one:

Pierolapithecus catalaunicus is an extinct species of primate which lived about 13 million years ago during the Miocene in what is now Hostalets de Pierola, Catalonia, giving the name to the species. It is believed by some to be a common ancestor of both modern humans and the other great apes, or at least a species that brings us closer to a common ancestor than any previous fossil discovery.

The species was described by a team of Catalan paleoanthropologists led by Salvador Moyà-Solà on the basis of a fossil specimen discovered in December 2002. The finding was first reported in the journal Science on November 19, 2004.

Pierolapithecus had special adaptations for tree climbing, just as humans and other great apes do: a wide, flat ribcage, a stiff lower spine, flexible wrists, and shoulder blades that lay along its back. Monkeys and lesser apes show more generalized characteristics. The ape does have more primitive, monkey-like features, however, such as a sloped face and short fingers and toes.

The hypothesis that this new species was an ancestor of all modern great apes is controversial because of its location in the Iberian Peninsula, since all the existing great ape species live in either Southeast Asia or Africa, and Africa has been the location for so much of the evolution of great apes and humans. However, the Mediterranean Sea expanded and contracted frequently in the past, permitting the dispersal of life between Africa and Europe and the Pierolapithecus could have lived on both continents.
Rather than a full common ancestor, it has been suggested that the species may be ancestral to humans, chimpanzees and gorillas but not orangutans, given certain characteristics of the face. -- Pierolapithecus - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Now, if you were to be an honest person, instead of just posting "bla bla bla" yourself, you undoubtedly should show us what evidence that you have on this that would indicate that what I'm saying is somehow wrong, plus post answer to my religious questions towards you. By doing both, you could actually post more than just the "bla bla bla" that you dishonestly stated I did.