waitasec
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Alceste
Vagabond
I don't know about that. That God character does some real acrobatics. First he's a burning bush, then he's a voice ordering people around, then he's a mass murderer, then all of a sudden he's a little human baby who grows up to be a long-haired pacifist communist, not to mention being his own dad. I couldn't keep it all straight.
waitasec
Veteran Member
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Is there really something here that you feel I haven't addressed?
waitasec
Veteran Member
yes.
here is how this played off...
that's what HH said...but somehow what you said added something new?
yet you claim this:
so again my dear man...
do you trust your god? more specifically, does god need you to judge the hearts of others?
-Peacemaker-
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Who have I judged recently? Also you know the Lord's prayer? The one that Jesus said his followers should pray? There's a line there that goes "may your kingdom come, and your will be done". I'm praying that God's kingdom would come when I pray for people as God reigns in the HEART.
Alceste
Vagabond
The God who reigns in my heart has forbidden me from joining any cult that celebrates the arbitrary torture of outsiders. It seems rather arrogant of you to try to shoehorn your torturer God into the place of the soft-hearted deity that already guides my thoughts and behavior.
waitasec
Veteran Member
you judged Alceste judgment of what she determines what is best for her...
but you know better, right?
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Would you agree that Jesus discharges his followers to preach his Kingdom with the understanding it isn't just the best way, it is the ONLY way? My point is that I think Jesus had a different action in mind when he commanded people not to judge others.
waitasec
Veteran Member
i don't care. it's the only way for you. leave me and everyone else out of it.
see, the thing you are not considering here is, when jesus commissioned everyone to spread the "good news", or more likely those that wrote the gospels, were under the assumption that the end was at hand. well it wasn't. so keep to yourself and trust god to work through YOU as you do the best YOU can.
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Why do you care if I pray for people? God isn't real anyways, remember?
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Alceste
Vagabond
Why do you care if I pray for people? God isn't real anyways, remember?____________: hamster :
I don't care much. In fact, I appreciate it. I will return the favor by casting a spell to make you doubt your faith in Christianity. Excuse me while I go find a frog...
-Peacemaker-
.45 Cal
Bring it on! My God will kick your god's ***!!!!!:sw:
Alceste
Vagabond
Heathen Hammer
Nope, you're still wrong
It's convenient then that you think Jesus thinks what you do, rather than what he said...
And in any case, Jesus commanded his apostles to spread his word, not everyone. He anticipated returning to them while some of them still lived.
The average Christian was never commanded to spread his teachings; only those who learned at his feet.
Carpenter Rabbi
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Why do you care if I pray for people? God isn't real anyways, remember?____________: hamster :
The problem that most atheists tend to have with prayer is that the person who prays often seems to think that prayer alone - rather than, you know, helping people - is enough effort on their part to the solving of the problem.
SInce god isn't real (which you've admitted yourself, above*) prayer in actuality does nothing, so it would be nice if you actually helped people along with the prayer.
*Yes, I am aware that your last sentence was sarcasm. Doesn't make it less true.
waitasec
Veteran Member
Why do you care if I pray for people? God isn't real anyways, remember?____________: hamster :
but we are not talking about praying for someone...do it...what concerns me is this
in order for me to continue with this idea, can you please elaborate?
The problem that most atheists tend to have with prayer is that the person who prays often seems to think that prayer alone - rather than, you know, helping people - is enough effort on their part to the solving of the problem.
SInce god isn't real (which you've admitted yourself, above*) prayer in actuality does nothing, so it would be nice if you actually helped people along with the prayer.
*Yes, I am aware that your last sentence was sarcasm. Doesn't make it less true.
With traditional Christianity they don't believe in the need for works. Faith alone gets you into heaven. Man is not capable of doing good on his own.
That's the theology. Fortunately I don't think many Christians see this theology as practical. I know a lot of Christians who do good work. Go out of their way to help others. I suppose the theology is a fail safe. If gives authority to their church and their religion. All they have to do is accept that authority in order to get into heaven.
Alceste
Vagabond
So it's all about trying to get into heaven? Nobody is interested in practicing what Jesus taught? What do you mean by "traditional Christianity"? Catholicism?
Most of the Christians I converse with are of the Protestant ilk. Faith and not works is a common theology among them. While I'm aware not all Christians share in this theology I think "traditional" hopefully gets across the group I'm referring to.