Heathen Hammer
Nope, you're still wrong
Small note:
Praying for God to change someone's mind, when they've already expressed their intent not to change, is essentially black magic.
The more you knew.
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- Thread starter waitasec
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Praying for God to change someone's mind, when they've already expressed their intent not to change, is essentially black magic.
The more you knew.
-Peacemaker-
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Except for the fact that black magic manipulates people against their will. The Christian God never gets followers through coercion
And religions don't?
There is a lot of things which manipulate people against their will.
I think the trick is to learn how to guard yourself against being manipulated.
I still get manipulate but at least I'm aware of it.
Being manipulated against your will I suppose is bad enough.
Being manipulated and not even being aware of it is worse.
I think a lot of people get ****** once they become aware of how religion has manipulated them.
waitasec
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waitasec
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Alceste
Vagabond
Except by threatening to roast them in hell for all eternity if they don't convert.
-Peacemaker-
.45 Cal
What is real "conversion"? It's repentance. People want to do what they want but don't want to be held accountable
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Thistle
Member
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Forced conversion - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Christianity (among others) has a very rich history of being oppressive and intolerant towards non-believers.
waitasec
Veteran Member
i think the best way to deal with that is if one worries about themselves and stop applying what is important to them as being something that is just as important to others.
Alceste
Vagabond
I always repent when I feel I've done something that is wrong. Not being a Christian doesn't fit into that category (in fact, it's kind of the opposite!) From my perspective, "convert to Christianity or burn in hell for all eternity" definitely rings a bit on the "coercive" side.
People don't want to be held accountable to someone else's concept of morality that they believe has no real authority over them.
Look you want to choose to be accountable to whatever moral code suits your fancy go ahead. Allows others to make that same choice. Don't force your sense of morality on someone else. It's immoral...
sojourner
Annoyingly Progressive Since 2006
I'm not so sure about that. The texts were written for believers by believers. The texts, themselves, aren't coercive, because the intended audiences were already believers. It's when subsequent believers present those texts to non-believers that we get into trouble.
waitasec
Veteran Member
People don't want to be held accountable to someone else's concept of morality that they believe has no real authority over them.
Look you want to choose to be accountable to whatever moral code suits your fancy go ahead. Allows others to make that same choice. Don't force your sense of morality on someone else. It's immoral...
i agree. but i don't think want is the right word.
people cannot be held accountable to someone else's concept when it comes to subjective morality...and i believe there is a strong case for subjective morality
waitasec
Veteran Member
the texts also stipulates non believers are wicked...based by what criteria....?
Alceste
Vagabond
That's a good point. It's not helpful that the ambassadors we see most often of Christianity tend to be the ones handing out pamphlets like these ones:
What about laws against homosexual marriage?
I hate to open that pandora's box in yet another thread but currently some are being held accountable to other people's religious morals.
Heathen Hammer
Nope, you're still wrong
Except not
It is the intent of the magician, not the power/deity he applies to, which determines whether magic is white or black, as the definition hinges on the magician's Will.
I am speaking of YOUR intent: it's black magic. Sorry to break it to you.
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Rocky S
Christian Goth
Would you consider that to be effective evangelizing? And, what do you think of Christians handing out pamphlets and tracks? Really anyone could answer this. I think they are a bit pointless, now I do have friends that hand them out religiously. When I was a new christian I use to hand them out all of the time. But not anymore, however I do still share my faith with other just not with handouts. I remember when I was not a christian if someone gave me one I didn't really read it anyway..That's a good point. It's not helpful that the ambassadors we see most often of Christianity tend to be the ones handing out pamphlets like these ones:
Alceste
Vagabond
I think they're really stupid. I took one years ago, read it, and was completely perplexed by it. It certainly was not the kind of Christianity I was raised with, which made much of the sermon on the mount and very little of the incomprehensible ravings in revelations. I can't imagine what kind of deranged lunatic thought this would make a good sales pitch for the philosophy of Christ. Who would want to join a religion that dwells self-righteously on the image of non-believers being tortured in the flames for all eternity? And what kind of people would be attracted to a religion like that? Nobody I would want to know, that's for sure.
I think the food and blanket programs many non-crazy Christian churches organize for the benefit of the homeless are far better ways to persuade passers-by there might be a good reason to try to live a Christ-like life.
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The problem that you bring up is why our county is a republic and not a democracy. At the current time, a democracy of Christians are holding others morals hostage basically because they can. This is no different than three wolves and one sheep voting on what is for dinner. Over time, this situation will be corrected just as other unfair practices have been haulted in the past. It took our country quite a while to give other groups their "equal rights" so the GBLT group will eventually be given their rights as well. Thank God we are a republic. :rainbow1:
As far as the rest of this thread is concerned, it has been going quite well, but the underlying motives are thinly veiled.
Religions have always tried to control people in the past and left unchecked will attempt to control people in the future as well. That said, the other side is just as guilty as the believers. :sorry1:
Myself, I don't debate with people who believe in unicorns. Why? It is just plain silly.
The unbeliever debates with the religious in a hope to convince them to see things their way. They are no different than the religions they rebel against because they seek to convert and control people to futher their own agenda.
Make no mistake about it, both the religious and unbeliever want to control things.
Atheist Evangelists are doing what they do for a nobel reason, but in the mind of the religious, so are they.
Not allowing same sex marriage is wrong just as banning a group of people from saying a prayer is wrong as well.
In a free country both sides need to get over themselves.