why ask, aren't you afraid for your

[Heathen Hammer]

The golden rule doesn't say "adapt to everybody's lifestyle regardless of whether it's a healthy way to live or not." There's alot of people demanding just that. People are free to "marry" and love whoever they want in this country. They're not satisfied with that. They want the state and by extension society to recognize it. Now all of a sudden it affects me.

How does it affect you, exactly?

 

[Sir Doom]

What's wrong with violence?

A place for everything, and everything in its place.

 

[jasonwill2]

A place for everything, and everything in its place.

True, however I believe that violence is much more present then people realize. Violence is not just physical harm and not need actually harm someone, though it can and often will, much more so when people are ignorant of their violent tendencies.

 

[Sir Doom]

True, however I believe that violence is much more present then people realize. Violence is not just physical harm and not need actually harm someone, though it can and often will, much more so when people are ignorant of their violent tendencies.

There is the threat of violence, sure. It is utilized the same way and happens much more often these days.

Control is always the key (though I can't profess to any special amount of this).

 

[waitasec]

We live in a society of laws. Just because those laws impede you from getting your way doesn't mean they're somehow unjust

you are aware of how laws are made, aren't you?
so please answer the question.

does jesus tell his followers they are to control the lives of unbelievers through their laws or in any fashion?

 

[-Peacemaker-]

you are aware of how laws are made, aren't you?
so please answer the question.

does jesus tell his followers they are to control the lives of unbelievers through their laws or in any fashion?

yes...

 

[jasonwill2]

yes...

Tyranny.

 

[waitasec]

yes...

show me where.

 

[Sir Doom]

show me where.

I can show you the opposite (open to interpretation, obviously)!

John 8:7 When they kept on questioning him, he straightened up and said to them, "If any one of you is without sin, let him be the first to throw a stone at her."

Matthew 5:39 But I tell you, Do not resist an evil person. If someone strikes you on the right cheek, turn to him the other also.

Matthew 25:40 "The King will reply, 'I tell you the truth, whatever you did for one of the least of these brothers of mine, you did for me.'

 

[Alceste]

I think an unrepentant sinner who has rejected Christ should fear God and turn and trust Christ. For those who have trusted Christ and are freely, utterly and eternally saved, we have no reason to fear.

18 There is no fear in love; but perfect love casteth out fear: because fear hath torment. He that feareth is not made perfect in love.
19 We love him, because he first loved us.
10 Herein is love, not that we loved God, but that he loved us, and sent his Son to be the propitiation for our sins. 1 John 4

I was just going to say, I never met a person who believed in Hell that thought there was any real possibility of ending up there themselves. It's something Christians are comfortable happening to other people, which tells me quite a lot about Christian ideology.

 

[Alceste]

Hypothetically speaking of course, would it right to ask people to adapt to a perversion? Could I really appeal to the "golden rule" if people refused?

I think Christianity is perverted because it teaches the eternal torture of non-Christians. Should I see if I can make it illegal to be a Christian?

 

[javajo]

and thats all you should say about that...





this doesn't make sense. why was the matter left in his hands in the 1st place?


speculation.



then why call it "being saved"? what is one saved from?



speculation.


yes it is because that is what you are saved from...



i beg to differ, but i'm speculating.

You don't understand my post AT ALL.

 

[waitasec]

You don't understand my post AT ALL.

all you needed to say was

It is better to live in peace than in torment. One who searches with all their heart will eventually find the truth,

the rest was just speculation.

 

[Pegg]

eternal soul?

matthew 10:28
Do not be afraid of those who kill the body but cannot kill the soul. Rather, be afraid of the One who can destroy both soul and body in hell.

i do not understand how one cannot continually live in fear if they believe this.
why would anyone want to live in fear?

Jesus was preparing his disciples for persecution. And you likely know of how christians were tortured and killed in roman arenas in the early years of christianities beginning.

So Jesus was telling them not to fear death because man may kill you now, but God has the power to bring you back to life. However if you prove unfaithful to God, then you may remain in death so its far better to be in fear of God rather then in fear of man.

 

[Me Myself]

I think Christianity is perverted because it teaches the eternal torture of non-Christians. Should I see if I can make it illegal to be a Christian?

I truly believe any doctrine that teaches eternal torture is perverted in the worst sense anything can be.

I think the only thing more perverted could be a being that being able to stop the suffering of this other beings that begg for it to stop, doesn´t do it.

 

[waitasec]

Jesus was preparing his disciples for persecution. And you likely know of how christians were tortured and killed in roman arenas in the early years of christianities beginning.

So Jesus was telling them not to fear death because man may kill you now, but God has the power to bring you back to life. However if you prove unfaithful to God, then you may remain in death so its far better to be in fear of God rather then in fear of man.

so god would rather have people be tortured for his name sake, other wise be tortured in the afterlife...

great :areyoucra

 

[Pegg]

so god would rather have people be tortured for his name sake, other wise be tortured in the afterlife...

great :areyoucra

there is no afterlife, so there can be no torture in it.

 

[waitasec]

there is no afterlife, so there can be no torture in it.

ok..
then be afraid of the one who can destroy the soul for denying his name sake...

cool.

 

[thorman]

i do not understand how one cannot continually live in fear if they believe this. why would anyone want to live in fear?

I agree with this completely. I grew up in a very strict Christian tradition and was always afraid of Hell. My faith was never complete and I constantly feared eternal damnation. I must have "gotten saved" over 20 times. Finally I looked at my life and realized that this wasn't the way that I wanted to live. I was always judging others, I was always judging myself and I was always afraid and resentful towards God. I decided to look into the matter for myself and decide once and for all if I would follow my parents' God or choose a new path. I read and re-read the Bible and compared it to other sacred texts- the Quran, the book of mormon, the pearl of great price, the doctrine and the covenants, the baghavad gita, and various Zen writings. I kept coming back to Christ's quote in Luke 10:27- " And he answered, “You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your strength and with all your mind, and your neighbor as yourself.” I decided then to make this the building block of my faith. Instead of constant fearI would strive to live a life of constant love. I have failed countless times but no longer fear eternal damnation and no longer see that as the main point of my faith. as I john 4:28 says "There is no fear in love. But perfect love drives out fear, because fear has to do with punishment. The one who fears is not made perfect in love." I hope I have answered your question but I look forward to your response.

 

[waitasec]

I agree with this completely. I grew up in a very strict Christian tradition and was always afraid of Hell. My faith was never complete and I constantly feared eternal damnation. I must have "gotten saved" over 20 times. Finally I looked at my life and realized that this wasn't the way that I wanted to live. I was always judging others, I was always judging myself and I was always afraid and resentful towards God. I decided to look into the matter for myself and decide once and for all if I would follow my parents' God or choose a new path. I read and re-read the Bible and compared it to other sacred texts- the Quran, the book of mormon, the pearl of great price, the doctrine and the covenants, the baghavad gita, and various Zen writings. I kept coming back to Christ's quote in Luke 10:27- " And he answered, “You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your strength and with all your mind, and your neighbor as yourself.” I decided then to make this the building block of my faith. Instead of constant fearI would strive to live a life of constant love. I have failed countless times but no longer fear eternal damnation and no longer see that as the main point of my faith. as I john 4:28 says "There is no fear in love. But perfect love drives out fear, because fear has to do with punishment. The one who fears is not made perfect in love." I hope I have answered your question but I look forward to your response.

what can i say to that?


thank you for sharing...