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Sir Doom

Sir Doom

Cooler than most of you
KingOfTheJungle said:
You have two sides to the issue. One sees themselves as the unjustly persecuted minority just trying to be recognized. The other sees itself and its society under assault by wickedness and lies. Both sides see themselves as justified. If judgement day is real and something we'll all face, those who are in the wrong will certainly try to appeal to the fact that they were "ignorant" of the truth by virtue of the fact that God didn't "prove" it to them beyond a shadow of a doubt. Will God agree that they have a point? Definately not if it's Yahweh we're going to face
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That's funny, I don't imagine myself professing ignorance to Yahweh should I ever meet him. Here is what I do imagine, though (and I hope you are there to see it)!

First, he'll start blabbing about whatever he considers sins throughout my life at which point I will cut him off and say, "Yeah yeah, now where's the exit?" If he refuses to show me the way out of the ridiculous soul-stealing enterprise he calls heaven, I'll go ahead and start destroying the whole thing piece by piece. Once he realizes he can't stop me (he can't by the way, I bet you didn't know that), he'll just have to let me out instead. Of course this is all fanciful since Yahweh would never be stupid enough to try and trap me in his little soul-grinder with all of you Christians. Nobody is that stupid.
 
waitasec

waitasec

Veteran Member
KingOfTheJungle said:
This is really the question at the heart of the debate. One side is claiming that their behavior is equal to that of the other. The other side feels as though they're being pressured to accomodate wickeness.
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is there a command from christ your lord that stipulates believers are to control the lives of unbelievers?
 
Sir Doom

Sir Doom

Cooler than most of you
KingOfTheJungle said:
good luck with that
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Like I said, Yahweh isn't that stupid. I don't need luck. It'll never have to happen. He's worked too hard to steal all of those souls, he wouldn't risk all of that trying to trap someone like me no matter how juicy it might seem.
 
jasonwill2

jasonwill2

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Sir Doom said:
Exactimundo!
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Yep. The way I see it is that:

1) No one can know the after life, still being alive.

2) so why worry about what there is there?

3) enjoy this life because it is the only thing you can know for sure

4) worrying about the next life is torture, as you can't do anything about it since you cant really know anything for sure about it
 
Sir Doom

Sir Doom

Cooler than most of you
jasonwill2 said:
Yep. The way I see it is that:

1) No one can know the after life, still being alive.

2) so why worry about what there is there?

3) enjoy this life because it is the only thing you can know for sure

4) worrying about the next life is torture, as you can't do anything about it since you cant really know anything for sure about it
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I like to look at the afterlife as a work of art. A creative endeavor, you know?

I don't imagine it contains anything I wouldn't like, and that includes fiery pits of eternal torture. I'm no sadist, why would I imagine such a thing? Sickening really...

The major problem with afterlife scenarios is that most people think the important part is telling other people where they fit in. Like a previous poster I don't think I need to name. That really gets my goat. Don't tell me what my afterlife will be and I won't tear your silly god into shreds when I get there. Simple compromise if you ask me.
 
Me Myself

Me Myself

Back to my username
what makes you think you´ll tear gods appart when you get there? why would you be more powerful than any posible spirit you may encounter?
 
jasonwill2

jasonwill2

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Sir Doom said:
I like to look at the afterlife as a work of art. A creative endeavor, you know?

I don't imagine it contains anything I wouldn't like, and that includes fiery pits of eternal torture. I'm no sadist, why would I imagine such a thing? Sickening really...

The major problem with afterlife scenarios is that most people think the important part is telling other people where they fit in. Like a previous poster I don't think I need to name. That really gets my goat. Don't tell me what my afterlife will be and I won't tear your silly god into shreds when I get there. Simple compromise if you ask me.
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That's a point I hadn't considered... must people want to say who goes where, and categorize everyone. Good point! It's like a huge label and stereotyping game but with religion!

My "after"life is more like an expansion pack that is optional and that must don't even have the money to buy, and if you get it, you only really get to float around and generally mess with and/or troll the living. Kind of an open-ended sandbox to help or hinder people as you see fit.

Me Myself said:
what makes you think you´ll tear gods appart when you get there? why would you be more powerful than any posible spirit you may encounter?
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It's a figure of speech I think, or he's making a point. It's not literal.

edit: at that, I can personally say that I am more powerful than the majority of spirits. If I wasn't, then how come I can lift objects but they can't in the vast majority of cases (if at all)?
 
Sir Doom

Sir Doom

Cooler than most of you
Me Myself said:
what makes you think you´ll tear gods appart when you get there? why would you be more powerful than any posible spirit you may encounter?
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Well, I've never met a god I couldn't mop the floor with. Bunch of wussies, really. Send any god you got, I'll post the fight on Youtube and link it here.
 
Me Myself

Me Myself

Back to my username
Sir Doom said:
Well, I've never met a god I couldn't mop the floor with. Bunch of wussies, really. Send any god you got, I'll post the fight on Youtube and link it here.
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What is your concept of god?

I think you never have met any "god", period :p
 
Me Myself

Me Myself

Back to my username
jasonwill2 said:
edit: at that, I can personally say that I am more powerful than the majority of spirits. If I wasn't, then how come I can lift objects but they can't in the vast majority of cases (if at all)?
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We all have ambits of powers. I am sure I am stronger than most spirits even in things about energy or aura or whatever you call it, but for that I mean spirits no smarter than coackraches.

Spirits that call themselves "gods" tend to be far stronger than those punny things that leech in swarms to other people´s emotions. The "god" ones have people coming to THEM and freely giving THEIR energy after all :D

About physical strength, I would say a properly big spirit could lift way more than you given enough time. Don´t expect it to materialize an arm though. Their means look more subtle, but can be vastly more effective IMHO.
 
Sir Doom

Sir Doom

Cooler than most of you
jasonwill2 said:
Good point! It's like a huge label and stereotyping game but with religion!
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That's what its all about. Think about it, most people that have a strong belief in the afterlife are pretty sure they are going to the good place. They aren't worried about going to Hell themselves, they are worried about changing the behavior of others with fear of Hell. Its a self-affirmation ritual. This is how you know you are on the good path because you can see who is going to burn and you aren't like them.

Disclaimer: I know that not all believers are like this, and I don't mean this to be a generalization about any group. If you are judgmental then I am talking about you. Otherwise, I'm not.
 
jasonwill2

jasonwill2

Well-Known Member
Sir Doom said:
That's what its all about. Think about it, most people that have a strong belief in the afterlife are pretty sure they are going to the good place. They aren't worried about going to Hell themselves, they are worried about changing the behavior of others with fear of Hell. Its a self-affirmation ritual. This is how you know you are on the good path because you can see who is going to burn and you aren't like them.

Disclaimer: I know that not all believers are like this, and I don't mean this to be a generalization about any group. If you are judgmental then I am talking about you. Otherwise, I'm not.
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Speaking from a psychological viewpoint, I see where you are coming from. I guess it never clicked before that it was just a labeling game. It always came more off as a thing to get people to conform to what you are comfortable with as opposed to actual labeling, but I suppose it is probably a mix of many, many factors.

Me Myself said:
Suuuuuuuuuuuuuuuure.

:p

Just live a good life and safe angry or violent energies for the spirits that are going down already :p
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What's wrong with violence? Oddly enough I changed some profile stuff a few minutes before reading this which makes this a really odd coincidence that you said this :eek:
 
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