why ask, aren't you afraid for your

[chinu]

eternal soul?

matthew 10:28
Do not be afraid of those who kill the body but cannot kill the soul.

Means don't be afraid of any human, because humans can kill only the body but they can never kill soul.

Rather, be afraid of the One who can destroy both soul and body in hell.

This means be afarid of your own MIND because it can destroy both soul and body.

 

[jasonwill2]

Small note:

Praying for God to change someone's mind, when they've already expressed their intent not to change, is essentially black magic.

The more you knew.

True. It is trying to influence someone else by supernatural means. By many definitions, even some Satanic ones, this is "Black" Magic.

Except for the fact that black magic manipulates people against their will. The Christian God never gets followers through coercion

Many, many Christians pray that their god will change my "heart", or in other words, make me feel differently about something, when I have clearly expressed I do not want to become a Christian, yet they insist on trying to influence me to conform to their beliefs. They are doing this against my will, to change my will. I have made my choice. Also Black Magic does not always force things on people against their will. Sometimes it can cure people or can be used on yourself to help you too.

Except by threatening to roast them in hell for all eternity if they don't convert.

True statement.

What is real "conversion"? It's repentance. People want to do what they want but don't want to be held accountable

Satanists believe that EVERYONE should be held accountable for their actions, and stop blaming it on sin and "the devil". This includes the Christians who use their religion as justification for persecuting others and harassing people and all their usual antics in politics.

 

[waitasec]

What about laws against homosexual marriage?
I hate to open that pandora's box in yet another thread but currently some are being held accountable to other people's religious morals.

i see...
what i mean is, of course people are being held accountable to others beliefs, but because we each own our culpability, someones personal beliefs cannot be held accountable to another. that is why this is an issue of intolerance

does that make sense?

 

[-Peacemaker-]

Except not

It is the intent of the magician, not the power/deity he applies to, which determines whether magic is white or black, as the definition hinges on the magician's Will.

I am speaking of YOUR intent: it's black magic. Sorry to break it to you.

So you consider praying that God makes a lovingly tries to reach out to someone "black magic"? Unlike the spells that many left handers cast in order to force their will upon someone, the Christian God does no such thing when he's after someone's heart. He may try to get your attention as if to say "look I'm here, do you see me?" However, Christian God ALWAYS gives the person the choice to either ALLOW their heart to be softened or harden it even more.

 

[Nakosis]

i see...
what i mean is, of course people are being held accountable to others beliefs, but because we each own our culpability, someones personal beliefs cannot be held accountable to another. that is why this is an issue of intolerance

does that make sense?

oic, ok, I got it.

 

[waitasec]

Means don't be afraid of any human, because humans can kill only the body but they can never kill soul.
This means be afarid of your own MIND because it can destroy both soul and body.

indeed.

 

[sojourner]

the texts also stipulates non believers are wicked...based by what criteria....?

Those of the believer, of course.

 

[sojourner]

That's a good point. It's not helpful that the ambassadors we see most often of Christianity tend to be the ones handing out pamphlets like these ones:

Somehow, I just don't think Jesus works that way.

 

[waitasec]

So you consider praying that God makes a lovingly tries to reach out to someone "black magic"? Unlike the spells that many left handers cast in order to force their will upon someone, the Christian God does no such thing when he's after someone's heart. He may try to get your attention as if to say "look I'm here, do you see me?" However, Christian God ALWAYS gives the person the choice to either ALLOW their heart to be softened or harden it even more.

this is so off.

wait, you never answered this question...or did you...
do you like being persecuted?
treat others the way you like to be treated...isn't that how you show your gods love? seems to me that isn't enough from your POV and you don't trust god enough to do the work through you simply by doing what he says...treat others how you like to be treated...but you take the matter into your own hands.
seems rather easy for me, but then again i am not a controlling person.

 

[sojourner]

So you consider praying that God makes a lovingly tries to reach out to someone "black magic"? Unlike the spells that many left handers cast in order to force their will upon someone, the Christian God does no such thing when he's after someone's heart. He may try to get your attention as if to say "look I'm here, do you see me?" However, Christian God ALWAYS gives the person the choice to either ALLOW their heart to be softened or harden it even more.

Don't let him yank your chain. There's nothing magical about Xy. Or God. Love asks nothing for itself.

 

[waitasec]

Somehow, I just don't think Jesus works that way.

seems to me, we need a newer jesus.

 

[waitasec]

Don't let him yank your chain. There's nothing magical about Xy. Or God. Love asks nothing for itself.

this.

 

[Alceste]

So you consider praying that God makes a lovingly tries to reach out to someone "black magic"? Unlike the spells that many left handers cast in order to force their will upon someone, the Christian God does no such thing when he's after someone's heart. He may try to get your attention as if to say "look I'm here, do you see me?" However, Christian God ALWAYS gives the person the choice to either ALLOW their heart to be softened or harden it even more.

I still don't understand why on earth you would associate a refusal to join a religion that teaches the eternal torture of outsiders with a "hard heart". On the contrary, my heart is too soft to be won over by such a barbaric ideology.

 

[-Peacemaker-]

Don't let him yank your chain. There's nothing magical about Xy. Or God. Love asks nothing for itself.

Mind you, this is the guy that believes everyone goes to Heaven regardless of what they've done. He believes rejecting Jesus has no implications for one's eternity. He doesn't even believe Jesus death paid the penalty for sin which would constitute a heresy in the eyes of orthodox Christianity. He's certainly not a spokesperson for orthodox Christians. And you know those healings that Jesus performed all over Israel for all to see? That's a form of the Christian God saying "see me over here?"

 

[Heathen Hammer]

So you consider praying that God makes a lovingly tries to reach out to someone "black magic"?

I like the idea of sugar-coating the concept of a person praying to a powerful entity, to use its power and influence to alter the thoughts of another person, whom had previously stated a stance with which the caster disagrees.

But yes, it's black magic, and gussying it up with the word 'love' does not change that fact.

Unlike the spells that many left handers cast in order to force their will upon someone, the Christian God does no such thing when he's after someone's heart.

Again you keep ignoring the fact that I stated, clearly, it's about the Will of the pray-er, not whatever God thinks. What God thinks is almost irrelevant [and yes, we do have examples IN THE BIBLE mind you, of God influencing a person's thoughts, but Im not interested in that conversation atm]. Your desire, to have God change another person's mind, your prayer to make this happen, makes it black magic.

However, Christian God ALWAYS gives the person the choice to either ALLOW their heart to be softened or harden it even more.

No, not according to scripture. Ask Pharaoh.

 

[Heathen Hammer]

Don't let him yank your chain. There's nothing magical about Xy. Or God. Love asks nothing for itself.

God's love asks for servitude, or it's the fires for you.
That chain might be connected to someone's eyelids.

I was charmed by KotJ's backhanded compliment at you, though.

 

[Alceste]

Mind you, this is the guy that believes everyone goes to Heaven regardless of what they've done. He believes rejecting Jesus has no implications for one's eternity. He doesn't even believe Jesus death paid the penalty for sin which would constitute a heresy in the eyes of orthodox Christianity. He's certainly not a spokesperson for orthodox Christians. And you know those healings that Jesus performed all over Israel for all to see? That's a form of the Christian God saying "see me over here?"

Oh, that's him, is it? Is that him saving Odysseus from the gorgon as well? Did he fall in love with Lena and come to her as a swan? Did he give Fionn MacCool super human strength?

You can't expect people to take Bible stories as evidence of the work of God if they don't believe in it already. To me the Bible is no different from any other work of literature, just a bit longer, more dull and more disorganized than all the other books I've read.

 

[Sir Doom]

Oh, that's him, is it? Is that him saving Odysseus from the gorgon as well? Did he fall in love with Lena and come to her as a swan? Did he give Fionn MacCool super human strength?

You can't expect people to take Bible stories as evidence of the work of God if they don't believe in it already. To me the Bible is no different from any other work of literature, just a bit longer, more dull and more disorganized than all the other books I've read.

Don't forget horrible character development.

 

[Heathen Hammer]

Drug-induced epilogue, too.

 

[waitasec]

The problem that you bring up is why our county is a republic and not a democracy. At the current time, a democracy of Christians are holding others morals hostage basically because they can.

then those that are holding other peoples morals hostage are not christians, but rather self serving, self absorbed controlling jerks.