So much to go through, I shall shorten some of the quotes. Been gone like a week I think,
So you consider praying that God makes a lovingly tries to reach out to someone "black magic"? Unlike the spells that many left handers cast in order to force their will upon someone, the Christian God does no such thing when he's after someone's heart. He may try to get your attention as if to say "look I'm here, do you see me?" However, Christian God ALWAYS gives the person the choice to either ALLOW their heart to be softened or harden it even more.
"Left handers"... hmmm, how quaint of you to assume that all of our magick is for nefarious intentions. Is it forcing my will on someone if I want them to get better, of if I really need to do good at something? And given the Bible as a whole, I wouldn't really trust Yahweh/Jesus to be loving.
Don't let him yank your chain. There's nothing magical about Xy. Or God. Love asks nothing for itself.
...except that you return the love or burn forever. At least according to many Theologies.
seems to me, we need a newer jesus.
I think a relevant passage from
The Satanic Bible (1969) is in order. I apologize though since I skip a lot to make it a more readable excerpt for those not wanting to get heavy into it.
THE SATANIC BIBLE
Book of Lucifer
[essay:] "Some Evidence of a New Satanic Age"
"Times have changed. Religious leaders no longer preach that all our natural actions are sinful. We no longer think sex is dirty - or that taking pride in ourselves is shameful - or that wanting something someone else has is vicious." Of course not, times have changed! "If you want proof of this, just look at how liberal churches have become. Why, they're practicing all the things that you preach."
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In recent years there has been an attempt to humanize the spiritual concept of Christianity...[skip]. If priests and ministers were to have used the devices to fill their churches one hundred years ago that they use today, they would have been charged with heresy, called devils, oft-times persecuted, but certainly excommunicated without hesitation.
The religionists wail, "We must keep up with the times," forgetting that, due to limiting factors and deeply engrained laws of white light religions, there can never be sufficient change to meet the needs of man.
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How well the utter hypocrisy comes forth when the "righteous" make a change in their religion to keep up with man's natural change! The only way that Christianity can ever completely serve the needs of man is to become as Satanism is NOW.
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When one name is no longer appropriate for a given thing it is only logical to change it to a new one which better fits the subject. Why, then, do we not follow suit in the area of religion? Why continue to call a religion the same name when the tenets of that religion no longer fit the original one?
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If you do not believe in what your religion teaches, why continue to support a belief which is contradictory with your feelings."
I still don't understand why on earth you would associate a refusal to join a religion that teaches the eternal torture of outsiders with a "hard heart". On the contrary, my heart is too soft to be won over by such a barbaric ideology.
Because soft people are weak and easy to manipulate, I would assume. If your heart is hard, would you not be tougher and not stand up for people pushing you and those you love around?
I like the idea of sugar-coating the concept of a person praying to a powerful entity, to use its power and influence to alter the thoughts of another person, whom had previously stated a stance with which the caster disagrees.
I agree, people always tell me "I'll pray for you", and I have even been asked if it was ok if they prayed in front of me after I talked to this one guy about Satanism some (he's a youth pastor and I opened up to him twice before as he's kind of a friend). I honestly am not sure how they can't stand in the shoes of a non-believer feeling harassed. I mean, should I ask them if it's ok if I pray for them, but to Satan? Not that I think prayer can do anything, but it might make my point come across.
Don't forget horrible character development.
Satan had an interesting journey if Christian Theology is to be believed. First he is a snake (and it actually says it WAS a Snake and not Satan in the form of a Snake if you pay attention to the language), then he is running around testing Job, then he becomes Leviathan, a big sea monster, then is challenging Jesus in the Desert, and at the end of time he will be one big ****** dragon that takes over the world and has a huge war with Yahweh. I would say this is quite a rise to power. Though I take the view that none of this is true, but interesting none-the-less.
Drug-induced epilogue, too.
Yes! I am not the only person who thinks he was taking mushrooms!
Why do you care if I pray for people? God isn't real anyways, remember?
____________: hamster :
It's the act of telling it to our face, (or our screens) like you have done to me. Also magic is real to some people, so it can be seen as threatening to say that you are praying to a god to alter my view on something, much more so when said god and your religion
has declared war on MY god and who I am as his creation.
Bring it on! My God will kick your god's ***!!!!!:sw:
Interesting that he hasn't dealt with the hundreds of religions the world over then.
That's the theology. Fortunately I don't think many Christians see this theology as practical.
ilk. Faith and not works is a common theology among them.
My experience with this Theology is that it is more of a technicality. They also say in reference to a verse that "you will know them by their works", meaning that while works do not earn you salvation, they show evidence that your faith in Jesus is sincere because it is a matter of obedience. They say that salvation is through grace and accepting the "gift" of salvation. Then you get baptized as an act of obedience and all that stuff happens where you then go out and be a good person. If you stop being a good person and disobey god, you then loose your fellowship with him, which is restored by then obeying him again. Apparently having broken fellowship is a very scary place as Yahweh will put you through things that will lead you back to him... unpleasant life events basically.
So to be saved, you just need faith and repent (whatever 'repent' means), but to grow as a Christian/keep fellowship (and if you are sincere), you have to go out and do good works. But since now you have the Holy Spirit with you, your works can actually be good as Jesus is in them, as your works are only worthless
when they are of their own.
That last part I am not sure on the reasoning though... never was completely. I think it might have something to do with intent, ironically enough.
