Why cant Christians openly try to convert Muslims in Muslim countries ?

[FearGod]

if thats the case then why are muslims allowed to openly try to convert christians to muslims in chrisitan countries ?

when you say the people in power - you mean muslims who use the quran as the decider on the law of the land - since we are talking about islamic states were chuch and state are one - it must be those in power are muslims

Actually most muslim countries have churches and of course some arabian christians are free to follow their religion or to discuss with muslims their religion as we are doing now
through the net,so who will forbid me from discussing any religion,no one.

That depends on you as an individual,if you find that your religion is correct then why to convert to another religion.

Most religions are named according to things or tribe like Judaism ,Christian ,Hundos..etc,
But Islam means a submission,that is to the one god

1 Peter 3:22
who has gone into heaven and is at God’s right hand—with angels, authorities and powers in submission to him.


2 Chronicles 30:8
Do not be stiff-necked, as your ancestors were;submit to the LORD. Come to his sanctuary, which he has consecrated forever. Serve the LORD your God, so that his fierce anger will turn away from you.

So we cant believe that god can be a man of flesh or that his son will be so ,but
we are sumitters to god,submitters means muslims

That depend on a personal conviction and not a country law or whatsoever.

 

[9Westy9]

because Arabic countries aren't as open as western countries I guess. It's also why I don't want to go anywhere near them.

 

[zenzero]

Friend anarkali,

Only Iran and Saudi Arabia are governed by islamic rules other muslim countries are secular countries and you are free to invite somebody to whatever religion
I don't know the situation in Iran and Saudi Arabia but in my opinion you must be free to invite somebody to a religion as you don't force him.

Thank you for your response/opinion BUT facts are not encouraging.
However even in secular islamic countries prosecution of followers of other faiths are hardly tolerated. eg. from wiki:

Persecution of Hindus refers to the religious persecution inflicted upon Hindus. Hindus have been historically persecuted during Islamic rule of the Indian subcontinent and during the Goa Inquisition. In modern times, Hindus in the Muslim-majority regions of Kashmir, Pakistan and Bangladesh have also suffered persecution.

Persecution of Hindus - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Love & rgds

 

[FearGod]

because Arabic countries aren't as open as western countries I guess. It's also why I don't want to go anywhere near them.

The muslim countries arent open !!!!!!!

Read the news then :

Arrested for reading the Bible? not in a muslim country but in California.

“Good morning, everyone,” he says to a group of 15 onlookers waiting outside
the Hemet California Division of Motor Vehicles. “I would like to read a little
bit of the word of God this morning.”

The video, shot in February of last year, ends with Mackey’s arrest.

Read more: Taking Liberties: Arrested For Reading The Bible? | Fox News

 

[9Westy9]

The muslim countries arent open !!!!!!!

Read the news then :

Arrested for reading the Bible? not in a muslim country but in California.

“Good morning, everyone,” he says to a group of 15 onlookers waiting outside
the Hemet California Division of Motor Vehicles. “I would like to read a little
bit of the word of God this morning.”

The video, shot in February of last year, ends with Mackey’s arrest.

Read more: Taking Liberties: Arrested For Reading The Bible? | Fox News

I claimed western countries are more open, not that they're completely open

 

[zenzero]

Friend truth,

Arrested for reading the Bible? not in a muslim country but in California.

True but the arrested has an option to seek justice besides he was not arrested for reading but for preaching against the wishes of the listeners is what have heard. There is a big difference in police maintaining democratic rights which is the case here and unable to practice one's own faith is another.

Love & rgds

 

[FearGod]

Friend truth,



True but the arrested has an option to seek justice besides he was not arrested for reading but for preaching against the wishes of the listeners is what have heard. There is a big difference in police maintaining democratic rights which is the case here and unable to practice one's own faith is another.

Love & rgds

Then let the pictures talk i
for reference : Churches in the Muslim world - Page 6 - SkyscraperCity

Churches in Arabic Republic of Syria Just samples

in Jordan

Note that the Mosque and church are close to each other.

 

[Jayhawker Soule]

Then let the pictures talk ...

I believe the question dealt with the ability to proselytize, not worship. The pictures, while nice, have absolutely no relevance to the topic at hand.

 

[markymark]

Only Iran and Saudi Arabia are governed by islamic rules other muslim countries are secular countries and you are free to invite somebody to whatever religion
I don't know the situation in Iran and Saudi Arabia but in my opinion you must be free to invite somebody to a religion as you don't force him.

really have you heard of pakistan

 

[Jayhawker Soule]

really have you heard of pakistan

Do you have a point other than that of trashing Islam?

 

[Revoltingest]

The muslim countries arent open !!!!!!!
Read the news then :
Arrested for reading the Bible? not in a muslim country but in California.
“Good morning, everyone,” he says to a group of 15 onlookers waiting outside
the Hemet California Division of Motor Vehicles. “I would like to read a little
bit of the word of God this morning.”
The video, shot in February of last year, ends with Mackey’s arrest.
Read more: Taking Liberties: Arrested For Reading The Bible? | Fox News

Of course, this news because the arrest looks improper & such an event is so rare here.
Thus, not too much should be inferred from it.

 

[ankarali]

really have you heard of pakistan

I didn't hear Pakistan but according to islam everybody is free to live its religion and to invite people to his religion maybe in these countries there is a governemantal problem.


In the past the christian and jewish people lived in a free way in the Ottoman Empire. If there was a problem between two Christians they had their own judge (Christian court) but they must pay a tax to the Governement

In islam there is no problem and I think every body can invite another for whatever religion by respecting to the rules

 

[FearGod]

I believe the question dealt with the ability to proselytize, not worship. The pictures, while nice, have absolutely no relevance to the topic at hand.

Your relation with god is according to your personal conviction and there is nothing to do
with governmental laws,for example,if i will believe that Jesus was god,then who
will forbid me to believe so,should i have to get a permit from my government to
enter the church or there is a police man to smell me if i am a muslim,
nothing of this,any one is free to enter any place he would like to and even i can
enter the church to pray as a muslim

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Muslims in the Church! Prayers bring Peace - YouTube

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Muslims pray in a Church, USA. - YouTube

 

[Father Heathen]

Why CANT Christians openly try to convert Muslims in Muslim countries ?

but

Muslims CAN openly try to convert Christians in Christian countries ?

i mean the Quran does say there is no obligation in region right and claims to be the religion of peace

Because muslim countries tend to be despotic theocracies and obviously wouldn't allow outside religions to compete against the offical one.

As for "Christian countries", there are no theocractic ones. They're secular democracies.

 

[FearGod]

Because muslim countries tend to be despotic theocracies and obviously wouldn't allow outside religions to compete against the offical one.

As for "Christian countries", there are no theocractic ones. They're secular democracies.

Then how you explain the presence of the churches for christians hundreds of years ago under what you called the despotic islamic theocracies.

 

[sojourner]

In muslim countries maybe they do not allow such conversion, while in christian countries there is so-called freedom of religion. Christians can freely convert to islam.

One has to wonder if the door swings both ways here. If conversions to Xy are illegal in these countries, would conversion to Islam likewise be illegal?

 

[YmirGF]

Then how you explain the presence of the churches for christians hundreds of years ago under what you called the despotic islamic theocracies.

My guess is that it is very hard to keep a straight face whilst saying, "There is no compulsion in religion" after one has destroyed all ones competitors buildings. It's much better to just make them feel like second class citizens, to make them beg you to make repairs on their buildings or make them beg you so that they can build new churches etc...

 

[FearGod]

My guess is that it is very hard to keep a straight face whilst saying, "There is no compulsion in religion" after one has destroyed all ones competitors buildings. It's much better to just make them feel like second class citizens, to make them beg you to make repairs on their buildings or make them beg you so that they can build new churches etc...

Which buildings have been destroyed,please sort actual events

 

[YmirGF]

Why CANT Christians openly try to convert Muslims in Muslim countries?

The short answer is that to Muslims who believe that Islam is THE Supreme religion, not only on this planet, but that it is also the "religion of God", such efforts to "convert" Muslims or turn them away from the TRUE faith is an abomination. In some ways, it is seen as an act of mercy to stop such conversions, dead in their tracks, to minimize the insult to God and thus minimizing the sin incurred, by Christians, AGAINST God, to lessen the wrath of God against such misguided Christians.

but

Muslims CAN openly try to convert Christians in Christian countries?

That is tied to the above. Again, Islam is often seen as the Supreme religion, the religion OF GOD, it is therefore logical that there should be no impediment standing in the way of Muslims converting non-Muslims into the fold, as it were.

i mean, the Quran does say there is no obligation in region, right, and claims to be the religion of peace

Well, it says, "There is no compulsion in religion" even though Muhammad was compelled by a being, supposedly the Archangel Gabriel, to "READ" or "RECITE". Ostensibly, Muhammad had a choice to refuse, but given the descriptions of that account (in the cave of Hira) one cannot imagine too many would refuse the orders of a slightly angry Archangel, in the midst of conveying a message from, no less than, God almighty. So, in effect, there IS compulsion in religion, but it doesn't sound as sexy to say, "There is only a little bit of compulsion in religion and we save that for our new messengers."

As for the "religion of peace" idea, though amusing, in reality, things do tend to get rather peaceful once all of ones opponents have either been routed or hogtied into submission. Remember, Islam means submission.

 

[Jayhawker Soule]

To proselytize is to encourage apostasy which is addressed in the most undemocratic and despicable manner by much of the Muslim world. At the same time, there are courageous Muslim voices standing in opposition which makes clear that these attitudes are not a necessary component of Islam. Condemn the regimes, not the religion.