Why cant Christians openly try to convert Muslims in Muslim countries ?

[Godobeyer]

Does that include the Sunni and Shia Muslims who are killing each other?

no ,it's not suppose to be , any muslims kill innocent ,even he is non-muslims .
, anyway , this problems , is also found between the Protistante and catholic in UK .

 

[beerisit]

no ,it's not suppose to be , any muslims kill innocent ,even he is non-muslims .
, anyway , this problems , is also found between the Protistante and catholic in UK .

It can be said that those who attacked those countries were not christians for the same reasons, why the double standard?

 

[nameless]

in my opinion you must be free to invite somebody to a religion as you don't force him

is it allowed to convert someone by teaching him islam is a false religion? or there is some punishment for such activities?

 

[markymark]

Do you have a point other than that of trashing Islam?

yes i do my point is why cant you opnely try to convert muslims in islamic controlled countries , are the people in power afraid the truth will be revelaed , and actaully know deep down that muhammed was a false prophet...but dont want to lose the power they over people that islam gives them

 

[markymark]

Indeed. Or Iran, for that matter. The thing that most don't understand is that Muslims themselves are all over the board on these issues. It is true to say that the majority opinion is that the apostate should not be killed, however, the sad reality is that a significant minority hold precisely the opposite view.

One is reminded of the plight of a fellow in Afghanistan who was a convert to Christianity. He was sentenced to death, but due to intense international pressure the case was reviewed and the man was deemed insane and so the death penalty was set aside. (The man fled to Italy, as it was no longer safe for him to stay in Afghanistan, even with the ruling of the court.)

What is genuinely troubling thing here is the idea that if one who would convert from Islam to Christianity is clearly insane.

What is genuinely troubling thing here is the idea that if one who would convert from Islam to Christianity is clearly insane.

really why is that what has allah actaully done for you

tell me why islam is the only relgion allowed to use abrogation - choose its either peace or jihad - seems it was peace first for mo and then when he got power jihad

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[markymark]

I know of NONE that apply Islamic law properly, so maybe try again?



Incorrectly governed. Kingdoms are not permitted in Islamic law; therefore KSA's "government" is outside the law of Islam/Qur'an.



**snickers** Apparently, you haven't visited or read anything valuable about Pakistan, or you wouldn't tried to claim Pakistan follows Islamic law.

really so just be straight i could freely go to saudi , Pakistan , Egypt or any countries run by Islamic goverment and freely teach islam is a false relgion and muslims should leave it and convert (as muslims do in western countries)

would that be ok ?

 

[markymark]

Indeed. Or Iran, for that matter. The thing that most don't understand is that Muslims themselves are all over the board on these issues. It is true to say that the majority opinion is that the apostate should not be killed, however, the sad reality is that a significant minority hold precisely the opposite view.

One is reminded of the plight of a fellow in Afghanistan who was a convert to Christianity. He was sentenced to death, but due to intense international pressure the case was reviewed and the man was deemed insane and so the death penalty was set aside. (The man fled to Italy, as it was no longer safe for him to stay in Afghanistan, even with the ruling of the court.)

What is genuinely troubling thing here is the idea that if one who would convert from Islam to Christianity is clearly insane.

really so just be straight i could freely go to saudi , Pakistan , Egypt or any countries run by Islamic goverment and freely teach islam is a false relgion and muslims should leave it and convert (as muslims do in western countries)

would that be ok ?

 

[arthra]

Post 85 above has:

"...seems it was peace first for mo and then when he got power jihad"

I feel that's a very disrespectful reference for a Religious Forum as well as a gross over simplification.

If you consider though that all member nations of the U.N. have subscribed to the Universal Declaration of Human Rights:

Article 18.

"Everyone has the right to freedom of thought, conscience and religion; this right includes freedom to change his religion or belief, and freedom, either alone or in community with others and in public or private, to manifest his religion or belief in teaching, practice, worship and observance."

Countries that ignore that are violating their own citizens rights.

 

[markymark]

Post 85 above has:

"...seems it was peace first for mo and then when he got power jihad"

I feel that's a very disrespectful reference for a Religious Forum as well as a gross over simplification.

If you consider though that all member nations of the U.N. have subscribed to the Universal Declaration of Human Rights:

Article 18.

"Everyone has the right to freedom of thought, conscience and religion; this right includes freedom to change his religion or belief, and freedom, either alone or in community with others and in public or private, to manifest his religion or belief in teaching, practice, worship and observance."

Countries that ignore that are violating their own citizens rights.

really so just be straight i could freely go to saudi , Pakistan , Egypt or any countries run by Islamic goverment and freely teach islam is a false relgion and muslims should leave it and convert (as muslims do in western countries)

would that be ok ?

 

[arthra]

Just a word of advise.... be respectful.....using "mo" as a reference to Prophet Muhammad wouldn't cut it!

 

[YmirGF]

Just a word of advise.... be respectful.....using "mo" as a reference to Prophet Muhammad wouldn't cut it!

More accurately, Arthra, one should only say "Muhammad" as he is certainly not a prophet to the vast majority of non-Muslims. It is insulting to those non-Muslims to be forced to refer to Muhammad as "prophet".

For example, I would never think to refer to Muhammad as a prophet, in regular discourse, but may, on occasion say, "The prophet of Islam". That is the only sense I would refer to Muhammad as being a so-called "prophet". Likewise, I would always use the lower case and not capitalize the word, but I am a bit more anal than many.

 

[sandandfoam]

20 years on from Sarajevo I find it worrying that people feel it's a good idea to caricature muslims.

 

[YmirGF]

20 years on from Sarajevo I find it worrying that people feel it's a good idea to caricature muslims.

Oh, Stephen, don't get me going about the Croats, Serbs and Bosnia fiasco.

 

[arthra]

More accurately, Arthra, one should only say "Muhammad" as he is certainly not a prophet to the vast majority of non-Muslims. It is insulting to those non-Muslims to be forced to refer to Muhammad as "prophet".

For example, I would never think to refer to Muhammad as a prophet, in regular discourse, but may, on occasion say, "The prophet of Islam". That is the only sense I would refer to Muhammad as being a so-called "prophet". Likewise, I would always use the lower case and not capitalize the word, but I am a bit more anal than many.

We're talking about Marky going to a Muslim country and trying to openly convert a Muslim there.. So my advice to him was really to be more respectful.

If you're a Bodhisattva Ymir I really couldn't begin to tell you very much...but if you're "insulted" when someone refers to Muhammad as a Prophet that's your issue. I think the real "insult" is when people attack other religions or your own maybe.

With respect!

 

[FearGod]

yes i do my point is why cant you opnely try to convert muslims in islamic controlled countries , are the people in power afraid the truth will be revelaed , and actaully know deep down that muhammed was a false prophet...but dont want to lose the power they over people that islam gives them

That is not true,Muslims dont convert because they are in convidence that Mohamed
was a real prophet,but if you can confirm the opposite,then let us debate or you
can open a thread for discussing it.

Do you want muslims to believe that god one day visited earth as a born baby and
living similar to any human beings,excretes,urinate..etc

 

[beerisit]

That is not true,Muslims dont convert because they are in convidence that Mohamed
was a real prophet,but if you can confirm the opposite,then let us debate or you
can open a thread for discussing it.

Do you want muslims to believe that god one day visited earth as a born baby and
living similar to any human beings,excretes,urinate..etc

Why not, the only ones who don't apparently are houri's yes? wrong spelling probably.

 

[England my lionheart]

no ,it's not suppose to be , any muslims kill innocent ,even he is non-muslims .
, anyway , this problems , is also found between the Protistante and catholic in UK .

I was just making the point that currently the greatest cause to Muslim deaths are in fact Muslims and not the big bad Shaitan west.

 

[FearGod]

I was just making the point that currently the greatest cause to Muslim deaths are in fact Muslims and not the big bad Shaitan west.

The cause of their death is their weakness,the west were not able to attack North Korea
because of their strength and they are even uncertain about the Iranians strength
,it is not a question of braveness,otherwise they should have been striking North Korea long time ago.

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North Korea Threatens to Wipe the U.S off the face of the earth - U.S Response 2009 July - Mrxb0x - YouTube

 

[YmirGF]

If you're a Bodhisattva Ymir I really couldn't begin to tell you very much...but if you're "insulted" when someone refers to Muhammad as a Prophet that's your issue. I think the real "insult" is when people attack other religions or your own maybe.

With respect!

With respect, for what it's worth on an Internet forum, I openly welcome people to attack my thinking. Have at 'er and good luck, in advance.

 

[Godobeyer]

I was just making the point that currently the greatest cause to Muslim deaths are in fact Muslims and not the big bad Shaitan west.

most of the muslims death are because the west involte ,
for exemple : in iraq , US killed innocent hunderd of thounds of innocents , since 1991 then envide it in 2003 , then make a civile war in it , between Shia and Sunna .