Why cant Christians openly try to convert Muslims in Muslim countries ?

[tumbleweed41]

Any theocratic government tends to discourage proselytization of other theologies.

 

[YmirGF]

Which buildings have been destroyed,please sort actual events

You want a country by country analysis, over 1400 years? Seriously?

That said, it is very telling that you chose to ignore the point of making other religions beg to make repairs or to build new facilities. Very instructive.

Since you asked though, I should correct what I said. Destroying churches is not entirely accurate, though in a very real sense it IS VERY accurate. You see, as no doubt, you well know, Islam became quite famous for taking over the churches in areas it conquered, DESTROYING any signs of the former occupants and converting said building into mosques. In that sense, they MOST CERTAINLY "destroyed" the churches, though it is also true that they did not destroy the buildings themselves.

If destroying all signs of the former occupants and changing the very nature of a building from a church to a mosque is NOT "destroying churches", I'd be captivated to hear your explanation.

 

[Father Heathen]

Then how you explain the presence of the churches for christians hundreds of years ago under what you called the despotic islamic theocracies.

Allowing a presence is not the same as allowing proselytizing.

 

[YmirGF]

Any theocratic government tends to discourage proselytization of other theologies.

Though that is true, Islam does take this to a whole new level of intolerance.

 

[tumbleweed41]

Christian theocracies have not been known for their tolerance either.

 

[YmirGF]

Christian theocracies have not been known for their tolerance either.

Is that supposed to make current atrocities more palatable? Like, honestly, Tumbleweed, you would have to go to undeveloped African countries, to find that today. Persecution of non-Muslims is almost a given in virtually all Islam dominated countries on the planet today. Sorry, but I'm not seeing the connection.

 

[FearGod]

You want a country by country analysis, over 1400 years? Seriously?

That said, it is very telling that you chose to ignore the point of making other religions beg to make repairs or to build new facilities. Very instructive.

Since you asked though, I should correct what I said. Destroying churches is not entirely accurate, though in a very real sense it IS VERY accurate. You see, as no doubt, you well know, Islam became quite famous for taking over the churches in areas it conquered, DESTROYING any signs of the former occupants and converting said building into mosques. In that sense, they MOST CERTAINLY "destroyed" the churches, though it is also true that they did not destroy the buildings themselves.

If destroying all signs of the former occupants and changing the very nature of a building from a church to a mosque is NOT "destroying churches", I'd be captivated to hear your explanation.

That is absolutalely not true,show us which churches that have been token over by
muslims through the history and that they were used as mosques,actually the mosque building is differ from the christian building,that is known to everyone.

 

[FearGod]

Is that supposed to make current atrocities more palatable? Like, honestly, Tumbleweed, you would have to go to undeveloped African countries, to find that today. Persecution of non-Muslims is almost a given in virtually all Islam dominated countries on the planet today. Sorry, but I'm not seeing the connection.

So you said undeveloped African countries,but that is not happening in other muslim countries.

 

[Jayhawker Soule]

So you said undeveloped African countries,but that is not happening in other muslim countries.

Would you offer two or three examples of countries that serve as positive role models?

 

[YmirGF]

That is absolutalely not true,show us which churches that have been token over by
muslims through the history and that they were used as mosques,actually the mosque building is differ from the christian building,that is known to everyone.

This is such a drop dead easy point, that I will start with the somewhat "Islam friendly" website of Wikipedia.

Conversion of non-Muslim places of worship into mosques - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Category:Mosques converted from churches in Istanbul - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Again, this is a well documented "feature" of Islamic conquests.

So you said undeveloped African countries,but that is not happening in other muslim countries.

Tell that to the Copts in Egypt

 

[sojourner]

The short answer is that to Muslims who believe that Islam is THE Supreme religion, not only on this planet, but that it is also the "religion of God", such efforts to "convert" Muslims or turn them away from the TRUE faith is an abomination. In some ways, it is seen as an act of mercy to stop such conversions, dead in their tracks, to minimize the insult to God and thus minimizing the sin incurred, by Christians, AGAINST God, to lessen the wrath of God against such misguided Christians.

That is tied to the above. Again, Islam is often seen as the Supreme religion, the religion OF GOD, it is therefore logical that there should be no impediment standing in the way of Muslims converting non-Muslims into the fold, as it were.

This seems distastefully and conveniently entitled.

 

[FearGod]

This is such a drop dead easy point, that I will start with the somewhat "Islam friendly" website of Wikipedia.

Conversion of non-Muslim places of worship into mosques - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Category:Mosques converted from churches in Istanbul - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Again, this is a well documented "feature" of Islamic conquests.


Tell that to the Copts in Egypt

The Muslims played a principal role in the history of Spain. Their presence illuminated the Iberian Peninsula while the rest of Europe was engulfed in darkness. And so, Andalusia produced a great civilization far ahead and advanced than the rest of Europe. Under their rule, Muslims made Spain a center for learning and knowledge. The Muslims were taught reading, writing, math, Arabic, Qur'an, and Hadith (Sayings of the Prophet Muhammad PBUH), and became leaders in math, science, medicine, astronomy, navigation, etc. Al-Andalus became renowned for its prosperity as people who quested for knowledge journeyed from afar to learn in its universities under the feet of the Muslims. As a result, Andalus gave rise to a great many intellectual giants. Muslim Spain produced philosophers, physicians, scientists, judges, artists, and the like. Ibn Rushd, (Averroes) Ibn Sina, (Avicenna) Ibn Zuhr, (Avenzoar), Al-Kwarizmi, (Algorizm) and Al-Razi, (Razes) to name a few, were all Muslims educated in Andalus. 14 Martin Luther, the founder of Protestantism, was also educated in Andalusia. It is from the Andalusian philosophers, Ibn Rushd, and Ibn Sina that great renowned Christian men like St. Thomas Aquinas borrowed their philosophies. Both St. Thomas Aquinas and Dante called Ibn Rushd or "Averroes" the "The Commentator" and incorporated the views of Muslims. Through the works of Aristotle, Ibn Rushd reconciled reason with religion. However, Aquinas attempted to refute Ibn Rushd's ideas because they placed a great deal of emphasis on human reason over faith, which were a "threat" to Christian beliefs. 15 Interestingly enough, Thomas Aquinas described Arabs as "brutal men dwelling in the desert." Dante himself was familiar with Muslim figures. It is reported by countless historians, including William Phipps....

READ MORE - Al Andalus (Muslim Spain )

Watch then what happened to muslims and their mosques in Spain

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Mosques turned into churches in Spain - YouTube


Then if you are talking about conflicts here and there,then that is happening every time
and every where,such as the world war 1 and world war 2 and that dirty bomb over
the head of the innocent civilians over Japan,i always try to avoid such debates,but persons
such as yours forced me to engaged in such useless arguements.

 

[tumbleweed41]

Is that supposed to make current atrocities more palatable? Like, honestly, Tumbleweed, you would have to go to undeveloped African countries, to find that today. Persecution of non-Muslims is almost a given in virtually all Islam dominated countries on the planet today. Sorry, but I'm not seeing the connection.

Not at all. The current situation is reminiscent of past situations. Theocratic governments are notorious for persecuting others beliefs.
The current atrocities are the symptoms of theocracy.

 

[Gjallarhorn]

Why CANT Christians openly try to convert Muslims in Muslim countries ?

but

Muslims CAN openly try to convert Christians in Christian countries ?

i mean the Quran does say there is no obligation in region right and claims to be the religion of peace

Who are you calling a Christian country?

 

[sojourner]

Under their rule, Muslims made Spain a center for learning and knowledge.

So? The Celtic Christians did the same in Ireland. What's your point?

 

[Carpenter Rabbi]

Simple: There are no Christian countries. 'Cept maybe Vatican City, but that has 800 people, so it's hardly significant and is more like a micronation such as Sealand than a country.

The problem tends to crop up in that, in the Islamic countries, you have a lack of freedom in general. The people in charge ignore some of the parts of the religion they espouse in order to maintain control. This happened back in Monarchist England, France, etc. and is happening now in the Middle East. ANYWHERE that religion (or political ideology, for that matter) gains a dominance, even unofficial, there will be attempts to silence other viewpoints.

 

[YmirGF]

i always try to avoid such debates,but persons
such as yours forced me to engaged in such useless arguements.

So you are as weak as your argument? It is noted however that you have chosen not to respond to the well documented practice of Muslim overlords requiring non-Muslims under their command to beg to fix their places of worship or beg to build new places of worship. Again, that, in and of itself, is telling.

 

[YmirGF]

ANYWHERE that religion (or political ideology, for that matter) gains a dominance, even unofficial, there will be attempts to silence other viewpoints.

Much like we see in all democratic republics on the planet... No, wait... that doesn't sound right... Hmmmm.... It's coming to me...

 

[FearGod]

So you are as weak as your argument? It is noted however that you have chosen not to respond to the well documented practice of Muslim overlords requiring non-Muslims under their command to beg to fix their places of worship or beg to build new places of worship. Again, that, in and of itself, is telling.

As i said it is a pointless arguement,and now approved to be so,
so,at this point please dont waste my time and yours,
You want to regard me as a weak and that you were superman,
its ok to me,but i am not glad to go ahead further on this
pointless issue.

 

[Jayhawker Soule]

trruth, please answer my question. Which countries would you consider exemplary with regards to their treatment of proselytizing and apostasy?