Why can't Lucifer ever be redeemed?

[Shadow Wolf]

You insinuate that I hated my father?

It is difficult for me to understand that if you loved him, then why would you be glad he got cancer?

You are not interested in answers to life's difficult questions are you?

Actually, I very much would like them. But I accept in my humanness there is only ever so much I can possibly ever know.

Your illiterate mind

That is a bold accusation.

you are not willing to understand any situation beyond your own selfish whining and complaining and therefore useless in any discussion about truth because you dont have the ability to carry on an intelligent and common sense dialog!

With what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you.

It must be a real bummer being you!

Not really. Actually, I'm coming to start enjoying life.

Full of hate!

Not really. I just find it inexcusable to make up excuses for devious actions that are under any other circumstances inexcusable and often unforgivable.

You are a disgrace! Shame on you!

I'm not the one throwing out ad hominem. So utterly typical.

 

[Shad]

Yet you say nothing is different in regards to sin. Both say murder is wrong and neither has the control or power to prevent people from doing it. The purpose of God giving the law is that people will recognize they are sinners and have the ability to repent. How can you repent from sin if you don't know you're sinning?

You are violation of code 114 of section 5 of the intergalactic criminal code passed by the Zord parliament which restricts the use of the word sin, sinner, and sinning to 1 use per 500 words. Turn yourself over at the nearest fire hydrant with a signed letter of confession.

See how easy it to make up something then tell people they are guilt of it....

You should note that other civilizations had laws regarding murder centuries before Hebrews put pen to paper regarding "God's laws". Seems like God was never required to figure out murder was wrong for the majority of humanity... God's laws seem useful for primitive that didn't have the intellectual capacity to figure it out for themselves.

 

[Cateau]

• So if god is all powerful why does he let prayer get blocked?
• I honestly don't believe that sin exists. It was made up for control.
• Also if jesus died on the cross for our sins then what was the whole point of him coming back from the dead 3 days later? It just sounds more life he didn't die for anything.

• I really don't want to cry for god. Their is no need for me too. It would be a waste.

• He kinda does when he is the one who is in control of this world (The creator).

Daniel 10:12-13
Then he continued, "Do not be afraid, Daniel. Since the first day that you set your mind to gain understanding and to humble yourself before your god, your words were heard, and I have come in response to them. But the kingdom of Persia blocked my way. Then Michael, one of the archangels, came to help me, and I left him there with the spirit prince of the kingdom of Persia.
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This means that there are ways to the second heaven in the atmosphere that can be used to transport our prayers, which demons can interfere upon by stopping the messengers from doing their bidding. This is because the world has since been transformed due to sin and we are not as close physically, mentally and spiritually as before, so the powers and principalities take advantage. The earth after all is their domain. Why would Satan offer the world to the Son if it wasn't already his? The HS was sent as a direct petitioner for our souls and it can be felt in those weak moments of pleaing for forgiveness/atonement or felt with confidence that you are not alone.

Tobias 3:7-8
Now it happened on the same day, that Sara daughter of Raguel, in Rages a city of the Medes, received a reproach from one of her father's servant maids, Because she had been given to seven husbands, and a devil named Asmodeus had killed them, at their first going in unto her.
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Sometimes dark forces are working in our lives and we may feel ignored by god, but these things occur from generational sin, curses, or through manifesting these things into our own lives, unwittingly or not.

Psalms 127:1-2
Unless the lord builds the house, those who build it labor in vain. Unless the lord watches over the city, the watchman stays awake in vain. It is in vain that you rise up early and go late to rest, eating the bread of anxious toil; god gives to his beloved sleep.
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Einstein explained it as such,“Evil does not exist sir, or at least it does not exist unto itself. Evil is simply the absence of God. It is just like darkness and cold, a word that man has created to describe the absence of God. God did not create evil. Evil is not like faith, or love that exist just as does light and heat. Evil is the result of what happens when man does not have God’s love present in his heart. It’s like the cold that comes when there is no heat or the darkness that comes when there is no light.”

So in that respect to live in sin or without god is to do everything in vain.

Enoch 16:2-4
And now as to the Watchers who have sent you to intercede for them, who have been in heaven before, (say to them) "You were in heaven, but all the mysteries of heaven had not been revealed to you, and you knew worthless ones, and these in the hardness of your hearts you have made known to the women, and through these mysteries women and men work much evil on earth." Say to them therefore: "You have no peace."
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Death came to the Son so that no messenger would ever fall again, because they'd have no argument against His unfailing love. The Son is of the triune, existing before the fall of man, but came as one in our plane because god can't die otherwise. He had to rise again....obviously, to be able to give judgement. Prophesy is very important in the Bible. He had told the Pharisees that after 3 days he'd rebuild the temple after it was destroyed, by this He meant His own body.

 

[Repox]

Just curious, you make this statement as fact. Where are you getting this from?

Sorry for the delayed reply. In recent years I have had a series of dreams about heaven. What I posted is what I saw in heaven.

 

[Luciferi Baphomet]

So with all you have just said here, it is obvious that Satan has you right where he wants you. You choose not to believe the truth of God's Word and therefore you will get exactly what you want, to be with Satan in hell forever and ever and ever. WOW!

I guess god's love is to show you if you don't worship him and listen to his words then you will burn in hell.
God loves us so much that he created hell just incase if you don't follow him. Isn't that wonderful?
Sounds like god just want worship and power.

Lucifer has no desire to lie or play with our minds. He wants us to be free from god's dominion. I am proud that Lucifer introduced himself to me back in September 5th, 2012.
Before that I didn't know Lucifer and Satanism existed. My step mom and the rest of the family wanted to keep me from knowing about Lucifer. Lucifer is pretty chill.

 

[Luciferi Baphomet]

I'd rather be in Hell than spend eternity with a god who allows children to suffer with cancer, who commanded people to take sex slaves, and ordered that the unborn be ripped from the mother's womb.

Some of the reasons why I rather follow Lucifer and learn the truth that he teaches.

Lucifer is more honest than god. He had some balls to tell others in heaven what god was really doing.

Christian want to believe it was Lucifer who created diseases. Lucifer doesn't really have that kind of power. I ask christians if god was the one who is the creator of all things then they post dumb bible quotes about Lucifer being evil >_>

Honestly if god was all powerful he would heal those who are sick.
God performs no miracles. He is just there being useless.
I have extreme hate towards god, christ, and the angels.

Demon possession is fake. I know that in those churches people are paid to pretend they are possessed and have some dumb pastor to make it look like they took to demon out of them.
Christianity is filled with lies.

 

[Luciferi Baphomet]

Jesus is God and wanted to be human? Jesus is not God, but, if God were to become one single being then Jesus would be the closest thing. I can't say that Jesus wanted to be human but He chose to bestow on the earth once Lucifer began his rebellion.

Really jesus is god, then jesus is not god? Make up your mind or don't even be on here at all if you are not gong to make any sense at all.

So jesus just got some random girl pregnant and then had her give birth to him? Sure that makes a whole lot of sense. Sounds like someone was on something when they wrote that story.

Yeah yeah he became human to die for our "sins". Greatest lie ever told.

If you told me the whole story of how an angel lied and manipulated you, I would not believe you? Try me.

Try you? Nah. You will just say "Oh no it was the demons that were trying to make you think angels are evil". Blah blah blah

Magic does exist? Some people have abilities that others don't have.

I do witchcraft. I am a Satanic Witch.

No, I talked about cancer in my family and in my personal life. You didnt specify that you wanted to talk about cancer in a childs life did you? It has nothing to do with religion, absolutely nothing!

Isn't god the creator of all things like cancer?

 

[Luciferi Baphomet]

Daniel 10:12-13
Then he continued, "Do not be afraid, Daniel. Since the first day that you set your mind to gain understanding and to humble yourself before your god, your words were heard, and I have come in response to them. But the kingdom of Persia blocked my way. Then Michael, one of the archangels, came to help me, and I left him there with the spirit prince of the kingdom of Persia.
.......................
This means that there are ways to the second heaven in the atmosphere that can be used to transport our prayers, which demons can interfere upon by stopping the messengers from doing their bidding. This is because the world has since been transformed due to sin and we are not as close physically, mentally and spiritually as before, so the powers and principalities take advantage. The earth after all is their domain. Why would Satan offer the world to the Son if it wasn't already his? The HS was sent as a direct petitioner for our souls and it can be felt in those weak moments of pleaing for forgiveness/atonement or felt with confidence that you are not alone.

Tobias 3:7-8
Now it happened on the same day, that Sara daughter of Raguel, in Rages a city of the Medes, received a reproach from one of her father's servant maids, Because she had been given to seven husbands, and a devil named Asmodeus had killed them, at their first going in unto her.
....................
Sometimes dark forces are working in our lives and we may feel ignored by god, but these things occur from generational sin, curses, or through manifesting these things into our own lives, unwittingly or not.

Psalms 127:1-2
Unless the lord builds the house, those who build it labor in vain. Unless the lord watches over the city, the watchman stays awake in vain. It is in vain that you rise up early and go late to rest, eating the bread of anxious toil; god gives to his beloved sleep.
......................
Einstein explained it as such,“Evil does not exist sir, or at least it does not exist unto itself. Evil is simply the absence of God. It is just like darkness and cold, a word that man has created to describe the absence of God. God did not create evil. Evil is not like faith, or love that exist just as does light and heat. Evil is the result of what happens when man does not have God’s love present in his heart. It’s like the cold that comes when there is no heat or the darkness that comes when there is no light.”

So in that respect to live in sin or without god is to do everything in vain.

Enoch 16:2-4
And now as to the Watchers who have sent you to intercede for them, who have been in heaven before, (say to them) "You were in heaven, but all the mysteries of heaven had not been revealed to you, and you knew worthless ones, and these in the hardness of your hearts you have made known to the women, and through these mysteries women and men work much evil on earth." Say to them therefore: "You have no peace."
.....................................
Death came to the Son so that no messenger would ever fall again, because they'd have no argument against His unfailing love. The Son is of the triune, existing before the fall of man, but came as one in our plane because god can't die otherwise. He had to rise again....obviously, to be able to give judgement. Prophesy is very important in the Bible. He had told the Pharisees that after 3 days he'd rebuild the temple after it was destroyed, by this He meant His own body.

Because bible quotes do the thinking for you.
Can you type something with your own words without needing to have to have to post bible quotes?

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

I also understand and see that if my dad had not had cancer, it is most likely that he would have never realized the need for a savior. So in retrospect, I'm glad he had cancer even though at the time it sucked

I understand what you're saying, but it's still sick to be glad that someone suffered and died just so they could convert to a religion. That's horrible.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

Demon possession is fake. I know that in those churches people are paid to pretend they are possessed and have some dumb pastor to make it look like they took to demon out of them.

Actually, people are so desperate such pastors and priests don't even need paid actors. They prey upon the weak, vulnerable, and desperate like a predator made lame from age or injury.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

I understand what you're saying, but it's still sick to be glad that someone suffered and died just so they could convert to a religion. That's horrible.

Honestly, the idea of being glad someone got and died from cancer so that they converted to a specific religion is a very foreign idea to me, but one that does not surprise me. Granted funerals and memorials are for the living, but to be glad your own father got cancer, for any reason, I would hope is something that person would question and find troubling that they even thought it. And it also supports the idea that if a large city such as New York, London, or Tokyo is destroyed by an atomic bomb, and countless lives indiscriminately destroyed, ultimately a frightening amount of Conservative Christians and Muslims would see this as a good thing, and maybe even become excited because, to them, it is prophecy coming true and the final war between good and evil looks to be just around the corner. They would welcome the end and greet it with open arms, something that should alarm the rest of us. Much in how some dismiss global warming just because the Bible prophesizes god will destroy the Earth with fire, so we really don't have anything to be worried about because it's "god's will" and to do anything would be affront on god

 

[Luciferi Baphomet]

Actually, people are so desperate such pastors and priests don't even need paid actors. They prey upon the weak, vulnerable, and desperate like a predator made lame from age or injury.

I thought they were paid. The weak will follow the sheep. Once day they will find out the real truth about god or they may let Lucifer teach them the truth.

 

[Super Universe]

Really jesus is god, then jesus is not god? Make up your mind or don't even be on here at all if you are not gong to make any sense at all.

So jesus just got some random girl pregnant and then had her give birth to him? Sure that makes a whole lot of sense. Sounds like someone was on something when they wrote that story.

Yeah yeah he became human to die for our "sins". Greatest lie ever told.

Try you? Nah. You will just say "Oh no it was the demons that were trying to make you think angels are evil". Blah blah blah


I do witchcraft. I am a Satanic Witch.


Isn't god the creator of all things like cancer?

Jesus is God, then Jesus is not God? I should make up my mind? You have me confused with someone else or you did not understand what I wrote.

I shouldn't be here at all if I'm not going to make any sense? You're under the impression that you have some power or control that you don't have. You don't have any control over what other people can and can't say. I'm sure that bothers you a great deal.

Jesus got some random girl pregnant? No. Mary was not random, she was chosen. And Mary's husband Joseph got her pregnant, it's just that the personality that joined with the baby was Jesus.

The story doesn't make a whole lot of sense? And the story that God created the devil to tempt humans is a better story?

Jesus became human to die for our sins? No. He became human to experience what it is like. He died because He had to get back to His universal business.

I will just say that it was the demons who were trying to make you think angels are evil? I would say it wasn't angels or demons at all. It sounds to me like you connected with a very advanced and very selfish being who lives in a very highly evolved society. That society is outside the angels school system. And, I bet you were the one who was trying to make the connection, that's why you were so open to it. You just thought you were going to connect with God and instead you got a controlling being who lied to you. When you play with fire you sometimes get burned.

Demons don't exist. There are good angels who do good work and follow the divine plan but they sometimes make mistakes and there are misguided angels who joined the rebellion. There are no angels who are eternally bad and on the side of some devil.

You're a satanic witch? No one can be a satanic witch. Satan can give no power to you or anyone else. You're trying to worship something that cannot receive it.

Isn't God the creator of all things, like cancer? Cancer, genetic diseases, violent genes, and to some degree other diseases were supposed to be removed from the human gene pool. Adam and Eve were supposed to have many children and grand children and after enough of them were on the earth they were supposed to interbreed with the primitive humans. The main function of this was to SLOWLY give the humans a larger brain, one that the soul could connect to. But, the Lucifer Rebellion happened and human history was greatly affected. Satan, the being who you worship, is partly responsible for the Lucifer Rebellion, so, he's part of the reason why we still have cancer.

 

[Luciferi Baphomet]

Jesus is God, then Jesus is not God? I should make up my mind? You have me confused with someone else or you did not understand what I wrote.

I must have read it to fast. Blah.

Jesus got some random girl pregnant? No. Mary was not random, she was chosen. And Mary's husband Joseph got her pregnant, it's just that the personality that joined with the baby was Jesus.

So Joseph is God then since Jesus is supposedly "The son of God"?

The story doesn't make a whole lot of sense? And the story that God created the devil to tempt humans is a better story?

Nah. Lucifer never tempted no one.

Jesus became human to die for our sins? No. He became human to experience what it is like. He died because He had to get back to His universal business.

Universal business?

Demons don't exist. There are good angels who do good work and follow the divine plan but they sometimes make mistakes and there are misguided angels who joined the rebellion. There are no angels who are eternally bad and on the side of some devil.

Demons do exist. Angels aren't the ones that exist.

You're a satanic witch? No one can be a satanic witch. Satan can give no power to you or anyone else. You're trying to worship something that cannot receive it.

Witches do exist. You choose not to believe it. Btw I don't worship Lucifer. I just believe that he exist.

Isn't God the creator of all things, like cancer? Cancer, genetic diseases, violent genes, and to some degree other diseases were supposed to be removed from the human gene pool. Adam and Eve were supposed to have many children and grand children and after enough of them were on the earth they were supposed to interbreed with the primitive humans. The main function of this was to SLOWLY give the humans a larger brain, one that the soul could connect to. But, the Lucifer Rebellion happened and human history was greatly affected. Satan, the being who you worship, is partly responsible for the Lucifer Rebellion, so, he's part of the reason why we still have cancer. [/QUOTE
How did this go from this "Cancer, genetic diseases, violent genes, and to some degree other diseases were supposed to be removed from the human gene pool" and to this "But, the Lucifer Rebellion happened and human history was greatly affected. Satan, the being who you worship, is partly responsible for the Lucifer Rebellion, so, he's part of the reason why we still have cancer."

It sounds like you are using Lucifer as the scapegoat like every other christian.

 

[Super Universe]

I must have read it to fast. Blah.


So Joseph is God then since Jesus is supposedly "The son of God"?


Nah. Lucifer never tempted no one.


Universal business?

Demons do exist. Angels aren't the ones that exist.


Witches do exist. You choose not to believe it. Btw I don't worship Lucifer. I just believe that he exist.

No, Joseph is not God. But you can worship Joseph if you want. At least that would be better than Lucifer.

Lucifer never tempted no one? I guess you missed the part about Jesus being tempted by the devil in the wilderness.

Universal business? Yes, universal business. Jesus had to open the door to heaven, awaken the sleeping survivors, oversee the angels, prepare the argument against Lucifer in his trial, and more.

Demons exist and angels don't exist? Okay, well, good luck with that. You're going to need it.

Witches exist? No, they don't. There are just people who are angry that God didn't give them the life they wanted.

I'm using Lucifer as a scapegoat? I said the angels made mistakes. Lucifer is responsible for what Lucifer has done. Adam and Eve are responsible for what Adam and Eve did. And, I think that to some degree, Jesus should not have allowed the rebellion to go on as long as He did. He wanted all the angels to choose sides so He could see who was loyal and who was not. Personally, I would have squashed it instantly.

 

[Luciferi Baphomet]

No, Joseph is not God. But you can worship Joseph if you want. At least that would be better than Lucifer.

Nah I am fine. Again I don't worship Lucifer.

Lucifer never tempted no one? I guess you missed the part about Jesus being tempted by the devil in the wilderness.

The bible is not proof enough.

Universal business? Yes, universal business. Jesus had to open the door to heaven, awaken the sleeping survivors, oversee the angels, prepare the argument against Lucifer in his trial, and more.

Demons exist and angels don't exist? Okay, well, good luck with that. You're going to need it.

I meant that angels aren't the ONLY ones that exist.

Witches exist? No, they don't. There are just people who are angry that God didn't give them the life they wanted.

Witches do exist. You are talking to one.

I'm using Lucifer as a scapegoat? I said the angels made mistakes. Lucifer is responsible for what Lucifer has done. Adam and Eve are responsible for what Adam and Eve did. And, I think that to some degree, Jesus should not have allowed the rebellion to go on as long as He did. He wanted all the angels to choose sides so He could see who was loyal and who was not. Personally, I would have squashed it instantly.

Then jesus must have not been that powerful enough to stop the rebellion.

 

[Super Universe]

Nah I am fine. Again I don't worship Lucifer.



The bible is not proof enough.




I meant that angels aren't the ONLY ones that exist.

Witches do exist. You are talking to one.

Then jesus must have not been that powerful enough to stop the rebellion.

You don't worship Lucifer? Okay, whatever.

The bible is not proof enough? You're telling me.

Angels aren't the only ones who exist? No, they're not. Humans are so full of themselves they think the universe is empty. They don't know that they are near the bottom of a very long list of intelligent beings.

Witches do exist? Okay. I'm sure your powers are fantastic. Does the mountain move when you tell it to move?

Jesus must not have been powerful enough to stop the rebellion? The angels have their own rules and there are very high level angels who are the judges. There is a legal process that must be followed. Jesus had the power to eliminate every rebel angel instantly, but, that would have violated the legal process and it would have left some areas without angels. Instead, once Jesus finished His earthly bestowal, He offered mercy and most of the rebel angels took it and continue in universal service, just in lesser positions than they had before.

 

[Luciferi Baphomet]

You don't worship Lucifer? Okay, whatever.[/QUOTED]
You seem disappointed that I don't.

The bible is not proof enough? You're telling me.

The bible has been rewritten so many times by different people.

Angels aren't the only ones who exist? No, they're not. Humans are so full of themselves they think the universe is empty. They don't know that they are near the bottom of a very long list of intelligent beings.

What I am saying is that demons exist too.

Witches do exist? Okay. I'm sure your powers are fantastic. Does the mountain move when you tell it to move?

I hope you realize it is not from those Hollywood movies you have seen. Hollywood movies make it look odd.

 

[Thief]

Some of the reasons why I rather follow Lucifer and learn the truth that he teaches.

Lucifer is more honest than god. He had some balls to tell others in heaven what god was really doing.

Christian want to believe it was Lucifer who created diseases. Lucifer doesn't really have that kind of power. I ask christians if god was the one who is the creator of all things then they post dumb bible quotes about Lucifer being evil >_>

Honestly if god was all powerful he would heal those who are sick.
God performs no miracles. He is just there being useless.
I have extreme hate towards god, christ, and the angels.

Demon possession is fake. I know that in those churches people are paid to pretend they are possessed and have some dumb pastor to make it look like they took to demon out of them.
Christianity is filled with lies.

you have a scripture with no lies in it?

 

[Thief]

You don't worship Lucifer? Okay, whatever.

The bible is not proof enough? You're telling me.

Angels aren't the only ones who exist? No, they're not. Humans are so full of themselves they think the universe is empty. They don't know that they are near the bottom of a very long list of intelligent beings.

Witches do exist? Okay. I'm sure your powers are fantastic. Does the mountain move when you tell it to move?

Jesus must not have been powerful enough to stop the rebellion? The angels have their own rules and there are very high level angels who are the judges. There is a legal process that must be followed. Jesus had the power to eliminate every rebel angel instantly, but, that would have violated the legal process and it would have left some areas without angels. Instead, once Jesus finished His earthly bestowal, He offered mercy and most of the rebel angels took it and continue in universal service, just in lesser positions than they had before.

a legal process?
and where do I read of this?