Why can't Muslims criticize Islam

[Kirran]

Many people have lived in the Muslim societies, some even converted to Islam,
Did they find Muslims as creatures walking on earth?

I doubt it. I've been to majority-Muslim societies myself, and Muslims are obviously humans just like anybody else.

 

[Kirran]

All kind of rapes are awful, it's an animal act.

Let's not insult the animals!

But there are differences in different countries regarding reporting of rape and what is defined as rape.

 

[FearGod]

Let's not insult the animals!

But there are differences in different countries regarding reporting of rape and what is defined as rape.

Still it's an awful act.

 

[FearGod]

This is going off topic but I'll answer, Palestine maybe a state, its in a right state too, poor leadership,too many factions that care more about destroying Israel than its people.

Israel attacked Syria yesterday and even caused the death of 15 Russians,
Russians are seemed to be cowards today otherwise Israel should fear
to strike the Russians positions in Syria, the question is " why Israel always
attacking Syria even though Syria isn't attacking Israel?

 

[Kirran]

Still it's an awful act.

Yes, absolutely. But you seem to be missing the point.

Rape statistics from different countries do not reflect different definitions of rape and the varying conditions r.e. reporting rape which exist there. In most societies, there is massive shame attached to the victim of rape, so they are unlikely to come forward. In some societies, the family will not allow a woman to report having been raped, or the authorities won't believe them. In some societies, there are rules that say the victim has to marry the rapist. These are many reasons for which a woman might not come forward. I know people who have been through this who have not reported it.

 

[England my lionheart]

Israel attacked Syria yesterday and even caused the death of 15 Russians,
Russians are seemed to be cowards today otherwise Israel should fear
to strike the Russians positions in Syria, the question is " why Israel always
attacking Syria even though Syria isn't attacking Israel?

AFAIK know it was Syria that shot the Russian plane and killed the 15 Russians.

 

[FearGod]

Yes, absolutely. But you seem to be missing the point.

Rape statistics from different countries do not reflect different definitions of rape and the varying conditions r.e. reporting rape which exist there. In most societies, there is massive shame attached to the victim of rape, so they are unlikely to come forward. In some societies, the family will not allow a woman to report having been raped, or the authorities won't believe them. In some societies, there are rules that say the victim has to marry the rapist. These are many reasons for which a woman might not come forward. I know people who have been through this who have not reported it.

Forget about the other societies, rape crimes existed in the map and that's an awful act existed
in what you called civilized societies, actually women are raped in what you called civilized societies
by their boyfriends and of course many cases aren't reported.

 

[FearGod]

AFAIK know it was Syria that shot the Russian plane and killed the 15 Russians.

Russia accused Israel of causing such thing to happen, tactics

 

[Kirran]

Forget about the other societies, rape crimes existed in the map and that's an awful act existed
in what you called civilized societies, actually women are raped in what you called civilized societies
by their boyfriends and of course many cases aren't reported.

I never called any society more civilised than another. Yes, rape is a massive phenomenon in Western countries, as everywhere in the world. I don't think anyone can really disagree with you on that.

 

[England my lionheart]

Yes, absolutely. But you seem to be missing the point.

Rape statistics from different countries do not reflect different definitions of rape and the varying conditions r.e. reporting rape which exist there. In most societies, there is massive shame attached to the victim of rape, so they are unlikely to come forward. In some societies, the family will not allow a woman to report having been raped, or the authorities won't believe them. In some societies, there are rules that say the victim has to marry the rapist. These are many reasons for which a woman might not come forward. I know people who have been through this who have not reported it.

Its more difficult to report rape in Islamic run countries as you need four witnesses, plus a woman's testimony is half that of a man's.

 

[England my lionheart]

Russia accused Israel of causing such thing to happen, tactics

The Israeli planes were actually in their own airspace when it happened, go figure.

 

[Cooky]

The Israeli planes were actually in their own airspace when it happened, go figure.

But, but... The Jews!

 

[FearGod]

The Israeli planes were actually in their own airspace when it happened, go figure.

Don't want to go further off topic, but the questions remain, why Israel continually attacking Syria?

 

[England my lionheart]

But, but... The Jews!

Exactly, up till this incident Russia has turned a blind eye to Israel bombing in Syria and although it was Syria who shot the Russian plane down its still Israels fault.

 

[Kirran]

Its more difficult to report rape in Islamic run countries as you need four witnesses, plus a woman's testimony is half that of a man's.

This doesn't apply in all countries where Muslims are a majority, but only under countries where particular interpretations of sharia apply. There are Islamic scholars who draw a legal distinction between adultery and rape, also, drawing on examples from the Sunnah.

 

[Notanumber]

Did we discuss the quran here? the last sermon is the prophet's words to the people
of his society 1500 years old and one of the things that men should be kind to their women
and to treat them well, I don't see where the problem is.

The thing is. How can we be sure that those backward ideas are not being taught today in the West?

 

[Notanumber]

Then again, I for one certainly hope that they find a way to update the doctrine despite a self-imposed forbiddance to.

We all would probably do good by encouraging them to.

I did not dream it up and certainly do not support it.

 

[Notanumber]

still rape crimes are a big problem in what you called
civilized societies.

I wonder how many of those are carried out in the name of Islam.

 

[England my lionheart]

Don't want to go further off topic, but the questions remain, why Israel continually attacking Syria?

Israel attacks Syria to stop hezbollah from attacking Israel from the golan heights and borders with Lebanon, Iran backs hezbollah,there's no secret of their intent.

 

[England my lionheart]

This doesn't apply in all countries where Muslims are a majority, but only under countries where particular interpretations of sharia apply. There are Islamic scholars who draw a legal distinction between adultery and rape, also, drawing on examples from the Sunnah.

No it doesn't but and culture has a lot to do with it, in pakistan its quite prevalent.