Curious George
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I happen to be board and restless, why else would I be discussing that which as already been discussed in this very thread-not to mention umpteen other threads on this forum.
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why can't we have a relationship with other men?
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Robert.Evans
You will be assimilated; it is His Will.
Hmmm, I don't think your taking this very seriously answering that way. Aids kills people, it was first seen in homosexual men. Is this wrong? You don't seem to want to answer.
Let me ask you this as an analogy:
Let us say that a group of people start a game where you shoot at one another. This is only between consenting adults, so its fine right? The fact that there will be millions spent on trying to put us together then, we shall ignore. Occasionally there will be a few innocent bystanders that will be hit, but what the heck, eh. This gets taken up world wide; people shooting people and millions spent on it. For some reason though, no one is allowed to say it is wrong in the press. I wonder why? Perhaps its because its not the people killing, just that little bit of lead which enters them. Would this be allowed? No. It would be seen as irresponsible. Why not go paint-balling instead, without the consequences which would normally follow.
Robert.Evans
You will be assimilated; it is His Will.
I am shocked at your comment, or are you being coy? The appears to be two theories that I can see, one from primate one that it is manmade and a poss third which is a combination of the two. What are you saying?
Took a quick looksie. It is, indeed, correct that it was first observed in homosexual men.
However, homosexual behavior has existed pretty much since forever, and has been observed among other animals.
So, again, homosexuality has nothing to do with it, and the fact that it was first observed in homosexual men is mere coincidence. Despite what you hear in detective movies, coincidences (or at least the work of mischievous Elves) DO exist.
It's a false analogy right from the get-go.
But if you insist with the analogy, using real guns would be the equivalent to engaging in unprotected sex, and paint-balling would be practicing safe sex.
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If AIDS were caused by/punished for homosexuality/allowing homosexuality, then the states which allow homosexual marriage would naturally have the highest amount of AIDS.
However, when comparing two maps:
We see that there is no apparent correlation between the two. For an example, see Florida, Georgia, and South Carolina are among the states with the highest HIV infections, and same-sex marriage is completely illegal in those states. On the other hand, Maine, Vermont, and New Hampshire are among the states with the lowest HIV infections, and they all allow same-sex marriage. In fact, California is the only state which allows same-sex marriage that has a high rate of HIV infections.
So far, the only fact used to support the idea that homosexuality and AIDS are causally linked is certainly just coincidence, and there's plenty of data to support the argument that they are not inherently linked.
However, when comparing two maps:
We see that there is no apparent correlation between the two. For an example, see Florida, Georgia, and South Carolina are among the states with the highest HIV infections, and same-sex marriage is completely illegal in those states. On the other hand, Maine, Vermont, and New Hampshire are among the states with the lowest HIV infections, and they all allow same-sex marriage. In fact, California is the only state which allows same-sex marriage that has a high rate of HIV infections.
So far, the only fact used to support the idea that homosexuality and AIDS are causally linked is certainly just coincidence, and there's plenty of data to support the argument that they are not inherently linked.
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Robert.Evans
You will be assimilated; it is His Will.
You were the one who asked ME what Aids meant and you didn't know it was first seen in h-men?? Wow! It is thought to have come from primates though some say it is manmade. I do see your argument that h-men were around before Aids, but it is not a coincidence (as there is no such things). When we do not keep the law it is carried out through the Consciousness of the universe..everything is connected.
Robert.Evans
You will be assimilated; it is His Will.
You would have to give evidence for that incorrect claim. As for where Aids is seen the most, it is not relevant. It does not work that way
There's a difference between knowing what something IS and the exact details of its history. Besides, I never claimed to know, nor did I imply that I knew such an unimportant detail.
I ask because you keep calling it AIDS, but you've never once used HIV. That typically happens with people who don't know the difference.
And you still haven't answered.
If I recall, it's still a bit unclear as to what the exact origin is, but the general consensus is that it first developed in chimpanzees, and transmitted to us when someone ate chimp brains to survive in the jungle before coming back and sleeping with lots of people (unsafely, of course.)
If that was your attempt at answering, then no, that's not a valid answer. That's answering where it comes from, not what it is.
Or it's just some Elves having fun at our expense.
After all, if it was some kind of universal law, then why did it take millions of years to come into effect?
Furthermore, is it only bad for men? What about lesbians? Is that okay?
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Robert.Evans
You will be assimilated; it is His Will.
Support please.
Sir Doom
Cooler than most of you
Yup.
Just because it was first observed in homosexual men in America, doesn't mean that they were the first ones to be infected.
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Agnostic75
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Message to Robert Evans: What do you recommend that homosexuals do about their homosexuality?
Do you agree with most experts that sexual identity is not a choice?
Yes it is since it is found in nature. Over 1500 species of animals and birds practice homosexuality. All bonobo monkeys are bisexual, and they are a close relative of humans.
Yes it is since it is normal for a small percentage of over 1500 species of animals and birds to practice homosexuality.
What is normal is not always desirable. For example, a normal IQ is 100, but most people would prefer to have a higher IQ than that.
It can bring life if lesbians want to use in vitro fertilization. In addition, if homosexuals want to raise children, they can adopt them.
Does that mean that you approve of homosexuals who do not have any STDs?
In the year 2010, about 40 times more, or about 4,000% more Americans died from heart disease alone than died from AIDS. Heart disease is often preventable. Some experts predict that by the year 2030, which is 16 years from now, about 50% of Americans will be obese, and that that will add about 500 billion dollars to health costs. Obesity is often preventable.
It has, but that is a composition fallacy, which is to judge the whole based upon parts of the whole. The vast majority of homosexuals in the U.S. do not have HIV.
Even if all humans acted like you want them to act, sickness, and death would still be widespread, and so would natural disasters, and global warming would still be the most important physical challenge that humans have ever had by far since some experts have said that it might one day cause an ice age, and that before that, rising sea levels will cause physical, and economic catastrophes in many parts of the world.
In other words, if a God exists, he has not given humans the means to live without disease, global warming, and many other problems, and in fact, God created many of the problems that humans have, such as viruses, and hurricanes.
Do you accept common descent?
Do you agree with most experts that sexual identity is not a choice?
Robert Evans said:
Yes it is since it is found in nature. Over 1500 species of animals and birds practice homosexuality. All bonobo monkeys are bisexual, and they are a close relative of humans.
Robert Evans said:
Yes it is since it is normal for a small percentage of over 1500 species of animals and birds to practice homosexuality.
What is normal is not always desirable. For example, a normal IQ is 100, but most people would prefer to have a higher IQ than that.
Robert Evans said:
It can bring life if lesbians want to use in vitro fertilization. In addition, if homosexuals want to raise children, they can adopt them.
Robert Evans said:
Does that mean that you approve of homosexuals who do not have any STDs?
In the year 2010, about 40 times more, or about 4,000% more Americans died from heart disease alone than died from AIDS. Heart disease is often preventable. Some experts predict that by the year 2030, which is 16 years from now, about 50% of Americans will be obese, and that that will add about 500 billion dollars to health costs. Obesity is often preventable.
Robert Evans said:
It has, but that is a composition fallacy, which is to judge the whole based upon parts of the whole. The vast majority of homosexuals in the U.S. do not have HIV.
Even if all humans acted like you want them to act, sickness, and death would still be widespread, and so would natural disasters, and global warming would still be the most important physical challenge that humans have ever had by far since some experts have said that it might one day cause an ice age, and that before that, rising sea levels will cause physical, and economic catastrophes in many parts of the world.
In other words, if a God exists, he has not given humans the means to live without disease, global warming, and many other problems, and in fact, God created many of the problems that humans have, such as viruses, and hurricanes.
Do you accept common descent?
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The science has improved a good deal even since 2008. The species of chimp that infected a hunter has even been identified.
HIV is a human disease. If you feel a need to be more specific it is an African disease. The vast majority of victims are heterosexual African people.
Tom
AmbiguousGuy
Well-Known Member
Sounds like being a woman is immoral!
Sir Doom
Cooler than most of you
And unnatural!
AmbiguousGuy
Well-Known Member
We should probably cage them and try some re-education.
At the very least, womanhood should be illegal.
Sir Doom
Cooler than most of you
Well, they should at least dress so no one can see that they are women in public.
Robert.Evans
You will be assimilated; it is His Will.
why does this site not have a quote recognition so you know when someone has commented on something. It is ridiculous to look through many pages to perhaps find a quote.
What should they do, do not commit the act.
In a physical body yes, though not always; but from the super-consciousness that we come from, no; you are what you are and you answer for what you are.
irrelevant; murder is committed by humans and we do not say that is acceptable, but who knows, perhaps one day our morals will be so bad we might.
see the above
don't understand that
nonsense; copout
as a general comment, it brings death as Aids was seen, on-mass, in h-men and now is an epidemic involving innocents.
so
that would depend on what sources you read; it is not now in vogue to say things against H so it is not always likely that we shall see such figures. Either way it was firstly seen in them, through practices which are plainly not right; even a child could see that; but boy can we philosophise things if we wish.
everything is an evolving consciousness- we will see the good and evil as p*ndora's box is now open.
the basic idea of evolution I have no problem with as everything is evolving-consciousness; but to say that it comes about through blind chance is madness, and the copout that something called "natural-selection" will somehow pop up and save the day, all by blind chance again, is equally ridiculous. Consciousness evolves, which is why the universe evolved from seemingly nothing.
People do bad things the world over, some are easier to see than others. It is amazing how things become the 'flavour of the month' and then cannot be spoken of in a negative way again. But we all answer to God whether we like that or not. One should not follow immoral thoughts which are wrong. I appreciate that this is not always easy.