why can't we have a relationship with other men?

[Saint Frankenstein]

Sounds like being a woman is immoral!

And unnatural!

We should probably cage them and try some re-education.

At the very least, womanhood should be illegal.

Well, they should at least dress so no one can see that they are women in public.

:biglaugh: I wish I could frubal all of these posts!

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

Also, most people with HIV/AIDS in the world are heterosexual black Africans. So obviously being a black African and a heterosexual is immoral and unnatural.

 

[Curious George]

Hmmm, I don't think your taking this very seriously answering that way. Aids kills people, it was first seen in homosexual men. Is this wrong? You don't seem to want to answer.

Let me ask you this as an analogy:
Let us say that a group of people start a game where you shoot at one another. This is only between consenting adults, so its fine right? The fact that there will be millions spent on trying to put us together then, we shall ignore. Occasionally there will be a few innocent bystanders that will be hit, but what the heck, eh. This gets taken up world wide; people shooting people and millions spent on it. For some reason though, no one is allowed to say it is wrong in the press. I wonder why? Perhaps its because its not the people killing, just that little bit of lead which enters them. Would this be allowed? No. It would be seen as irresponsible. Why not go paint-balling instead, without the consequences which would normally follow.

no, I had my serious face on... I was trying to discern your argument. You are putting forth more than one and I am trying to figure out precisely what you are saying.

 

[Awkward Fingers]

no, I had my serious face on... I was trying to discern your argument. You are putting forth more than one and I am trying to figure out precisely what you are saying.

I wouldn't strain yourself too much with that, all his arguments seem to be backed up factually equally..
...not well.

 

[Riverwolf]

no, I had my serious face on... I was trying to discern your argument. You are putting forth more than one and I am trying to figure out precisely what you are saying.

Here's the thesis as far as I can tell (correct me if I'm wrong, Robert):

Homosexuality is bad because it causes Aids.

 

[Awkward Fingers]

Here's the thesis as far as I can tell (correct me if I'm wrong, Robert):

Homosexuality is bad because it causes Aids.

Can't we just skip about 5 pages of fact vs fiction, and shooting down argument after argument and get to the real thesis...

"homosexuality is bad because either 1. My book says it is, or 2. I think it's icky."

 

[Curious George]

Here's the thesis as far as I can tell (correct me if I'm wrong, Robert):

Homosexuality is bad because it causes Aids.

But I thought aids was the evidence for the argument that homosexuality was wrong as well from R.evans perspective. This is what I am trying to figure out. Is AIDS the actual reason for which homosexuality is wrong or is evidence that it is wrong, it cannot be both.

 

[Agnostic75]

Message to Robert Evans: What do you recommend that homosexuals do about their homosexuality?

What should they do, do not commit the act.

From a medical perspective, that would be a bad recommendation for homosexuals who are monogamous, healthy, and happy since having safe sex has health benefits, and long term abstinence has health risks. Some people can successfully practice abstinence for life, but many who have tried had to get medical treatment for many kinds of physical, and emotional problems.

Do you agree with most experts that sexual identity is not a choice?

In a physical body yes, though not always.......

So you agree that often, sexual identity is not a choice.

.......but from the super-consciousness that we come from, no; you are what you are and you answer for what you are.

What super-consciousness has publically, and audibly said anything against homosexuality, and has said it to everyone in the world?

Yes it is [natural] since it is found in nature. Over 1500 species of animals and birds practice homosexuality. All bonobo monkeys are bisexual, and they are a close relative of humans.

Irrelevant; murder is committed by humans and we do not say that is acceptable, but who knows, perhaps one day our morals will be so bad we might.

You said that homosexuality is not natural. The Merriam-Webster Online Dictionary defines the word "natural" as "existing in nature and not made or caused by people : coming from nature." Therefore, homosexuality is natural. Whether or not it is acceptable is another matter, but anything that occurs in nature is natural.

It is natural, and normal to have sex. It is unnatural, and abnormal to practice sexual abstinence for life.

As a general comment, it brings death as AIDS was seen, on-mass, in h-men and now is an epidemic involving innocents.

Again, that is a composition fallacy since you are judging the whole based upon some of the parts. 80% of American gay men to not have HIV, and an even higher percentage of lesbians do not have HIV.

Far more people suffer physical, and financial harm from preventable cases of heart disease, and obesity than from HIV, and AIDS. If you are concerned about physical health, and medical expenses, you should be concerned about all major causes of physical health problems. No one who has a preventable health problem has a right to criticize homosexuals, especially homosexuals who are healthy, and practice safe sex. Surely heterosexuals' greatest health threat by far is themselves, certainly not homosexuals as proven by widespread cases of preventable heart disease, and obesity.

 

[Riverwolf]

But I thought aids was the evidence for the argument that homosexuality was wrong as well from R.evans perspective. This is what I am trying to figure out. Is AIDS the actual reason for which homosexuality is wrong or is evidence that it is wrong, it cannot be both.

I never said it was a thesis that made sense.

 

[Tiberius]

lol, I love watching that "Gay is wrong" people get trounced.

 

[Drolefille]

So... lesbians are still cool right because they have the lowest transmission of AIDS. Safer than hetero sex even. LESBIANS FOR EVERYONE!

 

[Robert.Evans]

lol, I love watching that "Gay is wrong" people get trounced.

really, great, where? Oh right, your an atheist. End of conversation.

 

[Robert.Evans]

For diseases etc:

The Health Risks of Gay Sex

Link to comments below:

LifeSiteNews Mobile | CDC warns gay men of ‘epidemic’ HIV rates

{"WASHINGTON, DC, July 8, 2013 (LifeSiteNews.com) - A fact sheet released at the end of June by the US Centers for Disease Control (CDC) warns that HIV rates, already at epidemic proportions, are continuing to climb steadily among men who have sex with men (MSM).

"Gay and bisexual men remain at the epicenter of the HIV/AIDS epidemic," says Jonathan Mermin, the director of the CDC's division of HIV/AIDS prevention.

The CDC notes that while homosexual men make up only a very small percentage of the male population (4%), MSM account for over three-quarters of all new HIV infections, and nearly two-thirds (63 percent) of all new infections in 2010 (29,800).

"Men who have sex with men remain the group most heavily affected by HIV in the United States," the fact sheet states.

US News reports that if HIV infections among men who have sex with men (MSM) continue to rise at the current rates, more than half of college-aged homosexual men will have HIV by the age of 50.

When broken down by age group, the CDC reported that new infections among the youngest MSM, aged 13-24, increased from 7,200 infections in 2008 to 8,800 in 2010, which translates into a 22 percent increase in that time span.

Young black MSM continue to have the highest infection rate, according to the CDC, accounting for more than half (55 percent) of new infections among young MSM."}

That is all. It is an unhealthy lifestyle and they will answer to God.

 

[Agnostic75]

Message to Robert Evans: What do you recommend that homosexuals do about their homosexuality?

What should they do, do not commit the act.

From a medical perspective, that would be a bad recommendation for homosexuals who are monogamous, healthy, and happy since having safe sex has health benefits, and long term abstinence has health risks. Some people can successfully practice abstinence for life, but many who have tried had to get medical treatment for many kinds of physical, and emotional problems.

Do you agree with most experts that sexual identity is not a choice?

In a physical body yes, though not always.......

So you agree that often, sexual identity is not a choice.

.......but from the super-consciousness that we come from, no; you are what you are and you answer for what you are.

What super-consciousness has publically, and audibly said anything against homosexuality, and has said it to everyone in the world?

If you are referring to God, what are his opinions about divorce, physician assisted suicide, the death penalty, and how much money rich people should give to poor people?

Does God disapprove of all people who have preventable health problems?

 

[Agnostic75]

For diseases etc:

The Health Risks of Gay Sex

Link to comments below:

LifeSiteNews Mobile | CDC warns gay men of ‘epidemic’ HIV rates

{"WASHINGTON, DC, July 8, 2013 (LifeSiteNews.com) - A fact sheet released at the end of June by the US Centers for Disease Control (CDC) warns that HIV rates, already at epidemic proportions, are continuing to climb steadily among men who have sex with men (MSM).

What about lesbians? Do you object to lesbianism?

"Gay and bisexual men remain at the epicenter of the HIV/AIDS epidemic," says Jonathan Mermin, the director of the CDC's division of HIV/AIDS prevention.

The CDC notes that while homosexual men make up only a very small percentage of the male population (4%), MSM account for over three-quarters of all new HIV infections, and nearly two-thirds (63 percent) of all new infections in 2010 (29,800).

"Men who have sex with men remain the group most heavily affected by HIV in the United States," the fact sheet states.

Yet again, that is a composition fallacy. Wikipedia says:

The fallacy of composition arises when one infers that something is true of the whole from the fact that it is true of some part of the whole (or even of every proper part).

Yes, among men who have HIV, a much higher percentage of gay men have HIV than heterosexual men do, but 80% of American gay men do not have HIV, and far more gay men die from heart disease than from AIDS.

The CDC most certainly does not recommend that all homosexuals should practice abstinence for life.

US News reports that if HIV infections among men who have sex with men (MSM) continue to rise at the current rates, more than half of college-aged homosexual men will have HIV by the age of 50.

A 2013 article at Global HIV/Aids epidemic 'could be over by 2030' as infection rates drop by a third - Health News - Health & Families - The Independent says:

Global HIV/Aids epidemic 'could be over by 2030' as infection rates drop by a third

It is an unhealthy lifestyle.......

Composition fallacy. Many homosexuals are healthy, practice safe sex, do not have any STDs, and outlive many heterosexuals who die preventable deaths from heart disease, and obesity.

HIV is much less common in some countries than it is in the U.S. An article at http://www.gaynz.com/articles/publish/7/printer_14747.php says:

The New Zealand AIDS Foundation's advice to all gay men is to maintain the condom use that has kept HIV to low levels in New Zealand.

A Wikipedia article at http://en.wikipedia.org/?title=List_of_countries_by_HIV/AIDS_adult_prevalence_rate shows that in
2011, AIDS cases in the U.S. were six times higher per capita than they were in New Zealand.

.......and they will answer to God.

Which God?

Will all people who have preventable health problems answer to God?

God has never made any public, audible comments about homosexuality to everyone in the world.

 

[Riverwolf]

For diseases etc:

The Health Risks of Gay Sex

Link to comments below:

LifeSiteNews Mobile | CDC warns gay men of ‘epidemic’ HIV rates

That is all.

Pretty unreliable sources you got there, so I would say it's not all.

Besides, as has been pointed out, the vast majority of homosexual men do not have HIV.

A homosexual couple who does not have HIV in the family is not at risk at all, and neither are those who are more polygamous but still practice safe sex (use condoms, frequent testing, etc.)

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

Pretty unreliable sources you got there, so I would say it's not all.

If by "unreliable", you mean hateful, ludicrous, unscientific skewing of manipulated data to drive a bigoted socio-religious argument, yes.

 

[Gjallarhorn]

So... lesbians are still cool right because they have the lowest transmission of AIDS. Safer than hetero sex even. LESBIANS FOR EVERYONE!

Nothing against lesbians in the Bible. Marriage semi-equality! :yes:

 

[Uberpod]

Why can't I have a relationship with another man? I mean really?! I've tried.

 

[Drolefille]

Nothing against lesbians in the Bible. Marriage semi-equality! :yes:

If AIDS is the problem, lesbianism is the cure!

And abstinence for the dudes.

Seriously that would solve the vast majority of HIV cases. If that isn't a valid solution then it's time to drop the AIDS argument, Rob.