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Why did Jesus need to die?

jtartar

jtartar

Well-Known Member
Klaufi_Wodensson said:
Not sure if this is already a thread, but whatever.



Why was Jesus' blood the only thing that could make God forgive people? It just doesn't make sense to me. You would think that an all loving god would be able to forgive his creations without spilled blood, but it seems as if that wasn't the case, that the only thing that could appease him was blood from his own son(and therefore himself).


*People always seem to assume that I am a christian because I posted from a (semi)christian perspective. I am being figurative or whatever, I am not a christian, and I do not believe in the bible scriptures and such. I just want a good discussion/debate. Thanks
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Klufi_Wodensson,
This is one of the most profound questions in all scripture. Understanding of why Jesus came to give his life for us and the faith we must have in that sacrifice can mean the difference between our receiving everlasting life in a paradise earth, or everlasting death, in the Lake of Fire. The answer though, is easy to understand, when explained.
God created Adam and Eve PERFECT, and He told them to multiply and fill the earth and subdue it, Gen 1:26-28. They were created and placed in a beautiful garden. As they had children, they and their children would extend this beautiful garden until it encompassed the whole earth. As long as they obeyed God all would continue to live.
God placed in the middle of the garden two trees, one the tree of life, the other the tree of the knowledge of good and bad. God told Adam not to eat of the tree of the Knowledge of Good and Bad, for in the day that he ate from it he would surely die, Gen 2:17. When Adam and Eve ate from the tree, it was a sign that they did not want o listen to God as to wht was good or bad. When the rebelled against God they committed the first human sin. After sinning against God, they were no longer PERFECT, they had a great flaw, leading to death. This great flaw they passed on to all future humans, so we all die, Rom 5:12.
The reason Jesus had to die is: Adam and Eve LOST perfect life for all their descendents. The only way we could ever gain back what Adam lost was to have a PERFECT person sacrifice himself for us. No person living on earth could do this because all were imperfect just like Adam, Job 14:4, Ps 49:6-8.
All men deserver to die, Rom 6:23, but God allowed the sacrifice of animals to preserve mankind alive, until someone would come to provide a Ransom Sacrifice for all mankind. Jesus himself was called the Lamb of God, who would take sin away, John 1:29. The whole concept of the Ransom is explained at Rom 5:6-10, 18-21. Animal life is not as important as human life so the blood of animals could not take away sin COMPLETELY, a perfect life was needed, Heb 10:10-14, Acts 13:38,39.
It means our life to have faith in the Great Ransom Sacrifice of Jesus for our sins, Gal 2:16, John 3:14-18.
Anyone not believing in the Ransom Scrifice of Jesus is termed an ANTICHRIST, and has NO chance to live in The Paradise Earth that God promises, 1John 22,23, 5:9-13.
Without the sacrifice of Jesus no man can be declared righteous by God, so neve do we want to belittle Christ's Great Ransom Sacrifice, Heb 10:28,29.
 
Storm

Storm

ThrUU the Looking Glass
Klaufi_Wodensson said:
Not sure if this is already a thread, but whatever.

Why was Jesus' blood the only thing that could make God forgive people? It just doesn't make sense to me. You would think that an all loving god would be able to forgive his creations without spilled blood, but it seems as if that wasn't the case, that the only thing that could appease him was blood from his own son(and therefore himself).

*People always seem to assume that I am a christian because I posted from a (semi)christian perspective. I am being figurative or whatever, I am not a christian, and I do not believe in the bible scriptures and such. I just want a good discussion/debate. Thanks
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It kinda makes sense from my bizarre perspective. I enjoy setting myself theological puzzles, and this was one I took up in my neopagan days.

Anyway, it clicked for me when I began to think of it as a straight blood sacrifice. Magic has rules, even if they're alien to us, and changing the laws governing salvation and damnation is pretty big ju ju. It takes work. Work takes energy. So, Christ was the ultimate (blood) sacrifice. It took the death of the Son Of God to generate the power needed to work the spell.

It should be noted that the friendliest response this theory has gotten from a believer was "... interesting...." ;)
 
Falvlun

Falvlun

Earthbending Lemur
Premium Member
Storm said:
It kinda makes sense from my bizarre perspective. I enjoy setting myself theological puzzles, and this was one I took up in my neopagan days.

Anyway, it clicked for me when I began to think of it as a straight blood sacrifice. Magic has rules, even if they're alien to us, and changing the laws governing salvation and damnation is pretty big ju ju. It takes work. Work takes energy. So, Christ was the ultimate (blood) sacrifice. It took the death of the Son Of God to generate the power needed to work the spell.

It should be noted that the friendliest response this theory has gotten from a believer was "... interesting...." ;)
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It does all make sense... if you stay within the framework. The point is that it was God who made blood sacrifice "pretty big ju ju" in the first place.
 
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thedope

Active Member
Practical reason, obiwan kenobi being struck down becomes more powerful than we could ever know, as spirit pervading everywhere.
 
PolyHedral

PolyHedral

Superabacus Mystic
Yes, but my point is that the man sacrificing himself and the man who forced you to be executed are the same. Nobody at all needs to be executed.
 
Midnight Pete

Midnight Pete

Well-Known Member
PolyHedral said:
Yes, but my point is that the man sacrificing himself and the man who forced you to be executed are the same. Nobody at all needs to be executed.
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The story is just an extended metaphor for being given something you do not deserve and would not have otherwise had. Substitutionary atonement. The self-sacrifice of Christ. I didn't write that story with the expectation of it being picked apart. I was hoping at least someone would understand it. :rolleyes:
 
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thedope

Active Member
Storm said:
OK, but what does it mean? Who's "the comforter?" I would have thought that was Christ!
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The holy spirit. To remember christ in terms of communion is to let the mind that was in christ jesus be in you also. As an incarnate being the individual mind seems to be separate from all other minds. The mind that is in christ jesus cannot transcend space and time in a body that is part of time and bound by space.
 
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