why did they want to crucify jesus

[RabbiO]

P.S. Jews (of the time of Jesus) wanted to kill Jesus to prove him a false prophet/messenger of the One-True-God; and they utterly failed to kill him.

Other than your reading of Christian scripture - which you have already labelled as being corrupted - and your reading of the Qu'ran, what is your knowledge exactly of 1st century Judea and 1st century Judaism?

Mind you, I'm not really expecting a response since you have steadfastly ignored my previous questions to you.

 

[paarsurrey]

That is ...not history.

Religion and history are not the same.


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Well, it is history.

Please view the following documentaries; one from the BBC and the other from the Indian Government:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BvrON2xwFYo

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e_Ecm4gMhiM#t=14


Jews (of the time of Jesus) wanted to kill Jesus to prove him a false prophet/messenger of the One-True-God; and they utterly failed to kill him.

Regards

 

[outhouse]

Well, it is history.

Please view the following documentaries; one from the BBC and the other from the Indian Government:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BvrON2xwFYo

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e_Ecm4gMhiM#t=14


Jews (of the time of Jesus) wanted to kill Jesus to prove him a false prophet/messenger of the One-True-God; and they utterly failed to kill him.

Regards

That is not history, nor credible

 

[paarsurrey]

That is not history, nor credible .

How could you say that without viewing the documentaries?

Regards

 

[outhouse]

How could you say that without viewing the documentaries?

Regards

They are from you

indian government speaks volumes

 

[Triumphant_Loser]

So I was searching the internet for an answer to this question.

Why there was a need to crucify Jesus peace be upon him.

Couldn't they just have just killed him.


According to what I found, it all begins with Jesus peace be upon him saying that he came to fulfill the law.

According to the law, everything that is crucified would be cursed.

Deuteronomy 21:23 His body shall not remain all night upon the tree, but thou shalt in any wise bury him that day; (for he that is hanged is accursed of God that thy land be not defiled, which the Lord thy God giveth thee for an inheritance.

So being able to crucify Jesus peace be upon him would disprove who he was because if he did come to fulfill the law, he can't be cursed by that law.

This is a video that explains it https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PMat9Iz8dPE

Thoughts please on that and especially on why do you believe they wanted to crucify Jesus.

Jesus of Nazareth was crucified as a form of punishment. He claimed to be God, and for a human to claim such a thing was considered blasphemous and punishable by death in Bronze-Age Judaism.

 

[outhouse]

He claimed to be God, .

Where did he ever claim this ??????

Sources, please provide them.

 

[Triumphant_Loser]

Where did he ever claim this ??????

Sources, please provide them.

You seem to really like using that condescending face-palm emoticon. I suppose it gives you some sort of comfort of feeling intellectually superior to everyone else, but anyway...

Assuming that the words of John 10:30 are properly attributed to Jesus, he would have been seen as speaking blasphemies against the Jewish god by saying "I and my Father are one." The Jewish scribes would have likely interpreted this as him saying that he is of a divine nature... which is considered blasphemy.

 

[Flankerl]

attributed to Jesus

Yeah about that.

 

[Triumphant_Loser]

Yeah about that.

Like I said... "Assuming"

 

[arcanum]

Jesus of Nazareth was crucified as a form of punishment. He claimed to be God, and for a human to claim such a thing was considered blasphemous and punishable by death in Bronze-Age Judaism.

No, in all reality it was probably more civic then that. The Romans were hyper vigilant around the time of Passover with so many Jews flooding into Jerusalem, on the lookout for any signs of trouble. Enter one Jesus of Nazareth, in he comes throwing over tables and causing trouble at the temple, homing in on the sadduces turf. The sadduces were aware that the Romans could shut down the Passover festivities for any sign of trouble. So they told the Roman authorities that there was a rabble rouser at the temple and to take care of him so things could get back on track. Romans come and drag him away, you know the rest of the story.

 

[outhouse]

You seem to really like using that condescending face-palm emoticon.

Dont like seeing people making unsubstantiated statements.

And

Assuming

Is all you could come up with?


Jesus, as a devoted Jew, would have never claimed to be god.


The gospel known as John used much more mysticism then other gospels as the christology has changed to more "spiritual" in that community. It was also finished roughly 70 ish years after jesus death.

 

[outhouse]

No, in all reality it was probably more civic then that. The Romans were hyper vigilant around the time of Passover with so many Jews flooding into Jerusalem, on the lookout for any signs of trouble. Enter one Jesus of Nazareth, in he comes throwing over tables and causing trouble at the temple, homing in on the sadduces turf. The sadduces were aware that the Romans could shut down the Passover festivities for any sign of trouble. So they told the Roman authorities that there was a rabble rouser at the temple and to take care of him so things could get back on track. Romans come and drag him away, you know the rest of the story.

Exactly.


There would have been thousands of teachers and healers with all kinds of different messages. That was tollerated.

Actions or violence or any kind of disturbance, was not tollerated.

 

[CynthiaCypher]

...and he was openly mocking the Romans and questioning the payment of the temple tax.

 

[Triumphant_Loser]

No, in all reality it was probably more civic then that. The Romans were hyper vigilant around the time of Passover with so many Jews flooding into Jerusalem, on the lookout for any signs of trouble. Enter one Jesus of Nazareth, in he comes throwing over tables and causing trouble at the temple, homing in on the sadduces turf. The sadduces were aware that the Romans could shut down the Passover festivities for any sign of trouble. So they told the Roman authorities that there was a rabble rouser at the temple and to take care of him so things could get back on track. Romans come and drag him away, you know the rest of the story.

Definitely possible. Forgot about that whole temple mishap. I suppose an angry Jewish man rambling on, turning tables over, and chasing people with whips would have made for quite a disturbance.

 

[columbus]

No, in all reality it was probably more civic then that. The Romans were hyper vigilant around the time of Passover with so many Jews flooding into Jerusalem, on the lookout for any signs of trouble. Enter one Jesus of Nazareth, in he comes throwing over tables and causing trouble at the temple, homing in on the sadduces turf. The sadduces were aware that the Romans could shut down the Passover festivities for any sign of trouble. So they told the Roman authorities that there was a rabble rouser at the temple and to take care of him so things could get back on track. Romans come and drag him away, you know the rest of the story.

Why make it more complicated than this?

An uppity Jew caused some trouble for the local Jewish elite, one of His own threw Him under the bus. The Jewish elite explained to Pilate that Jesus was a danger to the peace, Jesus did not disagree. Pilate nodded to the soldier holding Jesus and forgot about Jesus completely.

Jesus had some cohorts who were in denial. They were still devoted to the Cause and truly believed that Jesus wasn't dead exactly. Then along came Paul.

Tom

 

[arcanum]

Definitely possible. Forgot about that whole temple mishap. I suppose an angry Jewish man rambling on, turning tables over, and chasing people with whips would have made for quite a disturbance.

Yeah, the sadduces had to walk a tightrope trying to keep the Romans pacified otherwise Passover would be unceremoniously cancelled. Any signs of trouble and it would be shut down, causing protests followed by bloodshed. It was simply a matter of keeping the peace, the gospels probably dramatized it more than how it really all went down.

 

[outhouse]

Why make it more complicated than this?

Thats what your doing.

An uppity Jew caused some trouble for the local Jewish elite

Who was uppity?

one of His own threw Him under the bus

False.

The temple was ran by a Hellenistic sect working hand in hand with the oppressors.

They were viewed as corrupt and hated for it.

Jesus was more thne likely a Zealot, who oppossed the Sadducees.

SO it was one of his enemies, not his own.

, . The Jewish elite explained to Pilate that Jesus was a danger to the peace, Jesus did not disagree. Pilate nodded to the soldier holding Jesus and forgot about Jesus completely.

The trial is not a historical event. We cannot say it happened. many critical scholars claim it as fiction.

That is my belief.

 

[outhouse]

Yeah, the sadduces had to walk a tightrope trying to keep the Romans pacified otherwise Passover would be unceremoniously cancelled. Any signs of trouble and it would be shut down, causing protests followed by bloodshed. It was simply a matter of keeping the peace, the gospels probably dramatized it more than how it really all went down.

Caiaphas and Pilates had their lives on the line to keep peace.

This was no game and tensions were always high at Passover.


The Sudducees were on the same tighrope as Pilate, they worked hand in hand with him, and they both had everything to lose. The Sadducees literally handed over the tax revenue going back to Rome. Pilate was there to keep peace and take the money back to Rome

 

[outhouse]

Definitely possible. Forgot about that whole temple mishap. I suppose an angry Jewish man rambling on, turning tables over, and chasing people with whips would have made for quite a disturbance.

Thats it in a nutshell, brother.

Many scholars think this was just a political event that caused his crucifixion over anything religious.


Just think of crowds a half million strong, one man could be screaming at the top of his lungs and not be noticed at all in that size of crowd.

Actions however, would get you noticed.


That and the Sadducees were hated for a long time, the temple viewed as corrupt, for a long time.


The temple coins had a picture of Melqart a pagan deity on it. All jews had to buy these pagan coins and this was all in what was viewed as Gods very own house. Pious Jews would not have liked this one bit.