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why did they want to crucify jesus

fantome profane

fantome profane

Anti-Woke = Anti-Justice
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columbus said:
Why make it more complicated than this?

An uppity Jew caused some trouble for the local Jewish elite, one of His own threw Him under the bus. The Jewish elite explained to Pilate that Jesus was a danger to the peace, Jesus did not disagree. Pilate nodded to the soldier holding Jesus and forgot about Jesus completely.

Jesus had some cohorts who were in denial. They were still devoted to the Cause and truly believed that Jesus wasn't dead exactly. Then along came Paul.

Tom
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"uppity"? Did you really say "uppity"? Do you by any chance have a white pointy hood in your closet? :run:

And I seriously doubt that the "Jewish elite" had anything to do with it.
 
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oldbadger

oldbadger

Skanky Old Mongrel!
arcanum said:
No, in all reality it was probably more civic then that. The Romans were hyper vigilant around the time of Passover with so many Jews flooding into Jerusalem, on the lookout for any signs of trouble. Enter one Jesus of Nazareth, in he comes throwing over tables and causing trouble at the temple, homing in on the sadduces turf. The sadduces were aware that the Romans could shut down the Passover festivities for any sign of trouble. So they told the Roman authorities that there was a rabble rouser at the temple and to take care of him so things could get back on track. Romans come and drag him away, you know the rest of the story.
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...... but they didn't.
The next day he came back and picketed the Courts, arguing and debating with the priests who were trying to influence onlookers. And the next day he came back again....! No sudden arrest there.

And Pilate would not terminate one of the big three annual festivals..... no way.
And Pilate would not send Romans into the Temple, because hostile visitors would have really kicked off.
The 'onlooking' crowd must have been fairly large, because the Chief Priest clearly decided not to use his thousands of Jewish temple guards to interfer.... within the Temple. So Gethsemane arrest may have been a true account. Who knows?
 
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outhouse

outhouse

Atheistically
oldbadger said:
...... but they didn't.
The next day he came back and picketed the Courts, arguing and debating with the priests who were trying to influence onlookers. And the next day he came back again....! No sudden arrest there.
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Arrest in the day time could have started a war.

And one could easily disappear in the large crowd.

That swhy they went and got him at night. Maybe it took then 3 nights to find him

We dont know.


Nothing speaks of picketed
 
arcanum

arcanum

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oldbadger said:
...... but they didn't.
The next day he came back and picketed the Courts, arguing and debating with the priests who were trying to influence onlookers. And the next day he came back again....! No sudden arrest there.

And Pilate would not terminate one of the big three annual festivals..... no way.
And Pilate would not send Romans into the Temple, because hostile visitors would have really kicked off.
The 'onlooking' crowd must have been fairly large, because the Chief Priest clearly decided not to use his thousands of Jewish temple guards to interfer.... within the Temple. So Gethsemane arrest may have been a true account. Who knows?
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Yes but there are different accounts in the gospels that conflict with each other. He may have been able to come back the next day after the temple incident but he was now on their radar. Either way he got noticed, and not in a good way.
 
outhouse

outhouse

Atheistically
CynthiaCypher said:
He prevented the merchants from re-entering the temple. Sounds like a picket to me.
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Sources please.

The gates were to big, the crowds to large to do such a thing.


The temple was what 37 acres lol you think he drove tmem all out without being arrested. All half million people too lol ?


Anyone doing such would have been arrested right then and there, it would have been a mob scene Romans coming in swords a swinging.


fact is, we dont know about what happend beyond a disturbance.
 
oldbadger

oldbadger

Skanky Old Mongrel!
arcanum said:
Yes but there are different accounts in the gospels that conflict with each other. He may have been able to come back the next day after the temple incident but he was now on their radar. Either way he got noticed, and not in a good way.
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Oh.... definitely noticed...... but not seized within the Temple. They certainly wanted him, but 'how?' and 'When?' :)
 
oldbadger

oldbadger

Skanky Old Mongrel!
outhouse said:
Sources please.

picketing would be instant suicide
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...allow me to show you. You need to remember this:-

Mark 11: 16. He.......... and would not allow anyone to carry merchandise through the Temple Courts.................

Now you just need to look up 'Picket' to understand how it works.
 
CynthiaCypher

CynthiaCypher

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oldbadger said:
Oh.... definitely noticed...... but not seized within the Temple. They certainly wanted him, but 'how?' and 'When?' :)
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Find his safe house, arrest him at night time away from the crowds so as to not incite a riot. Have him executed before anyone knows what is happening and then quietly sweep the whole thing under the rug. With their hero dead most of his supporters will be totally demoralized to do anything and they more zealous will be easy to root out if they try anything. The objective is to demoralize.

That scenario has been played out several times in history.
 
oldbadger

oldbadger

Skanky Old Mongrel!
outhouse said:
The gates were to big, the crowds to large to do such a thing.
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The gates were far from the inner Courts. Many in the crowd were with Yeshua.


The temple was what 37 acres lol you think he drove tmem all out without being arrested. All half million people too lol ?
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60+ acres, actually 67 if I remember......


Anyone doing such would have been arrested right then and there, it would have been a mob scene Romans coming in swords a swinging.
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We've already established that that would have been stupid.


fact is, we dont know about what happend beyond a disturbance.
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Cop out.....
 
oldbadger

oldbadger

Skanky Old Mongrel!
CynthiaCypher said:
Find his safe house, arrest him at night time away from the crowds so as to not incite a riot. Have him executed before anyone knows what is happening and then quietly sweep the whole thing under the rug. With their hero dead most of his supporters will be totally demoralized to do anything and they more zealous will be easy to root out if they try anything. The objective is to demoralize.

That scenario has been played out several times in history.
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Hello..... :)

Well...... politically it might have been dangerous to kill 'n' dump. Maybe an example was needed to subdue ands quieten the mob? Hence the crucifixion, even at an inconvenient time?
 
CynthiaCypher

CynthiaCypher

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oldbadger said:
Hello..... :)

Well...... politically it might have been dangerous to kill 'n' dump. Maybe an example was needed to subdue ands quieten the mob? Hence the crucifixion, even at an inconvenient time?
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Kill 'n' dump would have probably made it look like he died bravely in battle or they had cowardly assassinated him and thus would have made him look like a brave and courageous martyr. They needed to make him look like a coward who was betrayed by one of his own, they needed a death that would make him look like he was cursed and abandoned by God.
 
oldbadger

oldbadger

Skanky Old Mongrel!
CynthiaCypher said:
Kill 'n' dump would have probably made it look like he died bravely in battle or they had cowardly assassinated him and thus would have made him look like a brave and courageous martyr. They needed to make him look like a coward who was betrayed by one of his own, they needed a death that would make him look like he was cursed and abandoned by God.
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I like that...... basically an embarrassing and humiliating, agonising slow death for all to see....... the amazing thing about your point is that Yeshua was reported to have called out 'My God, My Gods... why have you abandoned me?' and then got it written up into the Gospels!

This needs thinking on..... :)
 
Triumphant_Loser

Triumphant_Loser

Libertarian Egalitarian
outhouse said:
which is a good point going aganst those who claim he called himself god
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I also am unsure as to whether or not he called himself "God," but I can't help but point out the fact that this verse that you call a "good point" happens to be from the same bible that was used by me to imply that Jesus could have called himself "God," and I was promptly scoffed at.
 
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