Why do Americans hate Hillary so much?

[SkepticThinker]

In all honesty, I didn't pay much attention to Clinton until the campaign started a year and a half ago.

When she was first lady I cared more about the presidency. She then was the senator from a far away state, who supported a war I was vehemently opposed to. As Sec. of State she kept supporting KSA, the fighting in Iraq, and the bludgeoning of Iran which were all things I oppose.

So at the start of the campaign, I didn't have a particularly positive view of her. And I despise seeing the Bushes and Clintons dominate the White House. I was expecting to gag my way through a Bush III versus Clinton II campaign.

I was not a happy camper.

At all!


But over time I have come to respect her a great deal. I have come to realize how much of my previous opinion was based on a few issues plus the consistent bias against her in the media. I think that there really is a "vast right wing conspiracy" that is largely fed by the Republicans recognizing her formidable threat to their party interests and the media with their taste for blood and scandals.

The way she has handled herself and the campaign (especially on the debate stages) has given me the belief that she is not just the least worst option. She will probably be an excellent president, because it is politically expedient to do so and she has the skills to do it in spades.

Tom

My answer is pretty much like this.

I didn’t like her all that much either prior to the campaign, though I couldn’t put my finger on the exact reason. Now that I’ve seen her on the debate stage and such over all this time, I have developed respect for her and I think she’d actually be a decent president.

I agree with everything else you said and I can imagine some right-wing smear campaigning may be responsible for my previous dislike of Clinton that I always had trouble articulating.

 

[Lighthouse]

Ain't that the truth. We have a person who's husband has the same issues as the other candidate and many of them still point at the woman instead. A form of shaming the woman that we see in this country unfortunately.

That would be a valid excuse if she didn't condemn Donald for the same issues. Many see her hypocrisy.

 

[idav]

That would be a valid excuse if she didn't condemn Donald for the same issues. Many see her hypocrisy.

I'm not one who points at Bills issues while ignoring Trumps and simultaneously blaming the woman.

 

[Revoltingest]

Ain't that the truth. We have a person who's husband has the same issues as the other candidate and many of them still point at the woman instead. A form of shaming the woman that we see in this country unfortunately.

When I point out that Hillary actively suppressed & discredited women who accused Bill of assaulting them, Democrats ignore this. They then play the female victim card, falsely claiming the criticism is instead about what Bill did. (Bill isn't running for prez. He'd only be First Gentleman. What an inappropriate designation, eh.) If anything, her gender is a huge advantage, since no man who was a sexual assault enabler would remain politically viable.

 

[idav]

When I point out that Hillary actively suppressed & discredited women who accused Bill of assaulting them, Democrats ignore this. They then play the female victim card, falsely claiming the criticism is instead about what Bill did. (Bill isn't running for prez. He'd only be First Gentleman. What an inappropriate designation, eh.)

Ok so not discussing policy again. Well it would appear to some that the wife believes her husband, just like Trumps wife believes him as far as the public goes. If she secretly sold her soul and really enables him seems like a stretch to me. She would accuse, just like trumps wife, of people just wanting money and yadayad

If anything, her gender is a huge advantage, since no man who was a sexual assault enabler would remain politically viable.

Her gender is a huge advantage because I doubt she would be sexually assaulting anyone, since that is statistically very low probability. Where as apparently men just talk about assaulting women in locker rooms.

 

[Revoltingest]

Ok so not discussing policy again. Well it would appear to some that the wife believes her husband, just like Trumps wife believes him as far as the public goes. If she secretly sold her soul and really enables him seems like a stretch to me. She would accuse, just like trumps wife, of people just wanting money and yadayad

It's one thing to believe & defend the accused.
But it is entirely different to attack & dismiss the accusers.
How one handles the difference is a window into one's soul.

Her gender is a huge advantage because I doubt she would be sexually assaulting anyone, since that is statistically very low probability. Where as apparently men just talk about assaulting women in locker rooms.

I take a more gender neutral view....
It's a huge advantage to be a person (male or female) who doesn't assault others.
We are all individuals, & not defined by some statistical group to which we might be included.

 

[idav]

It's one thing to believe & defend the accused.
But it is entirely different to attack & dismiss the accusers.

Maybe, but that doesn't change my point. She wouldn't attack people thinking they are victims, at least I would hope.

How one handles the difference is a window into one's soul.

Well I'm not trying to find a saint to vote for. I wish.

I take a more gender neutral view....
It's a huge advantage to be a person (male or female) who doesn't assault others.
We are all individuals, & not defined by some statistical group to which we might be included.

Fine but I haven't heard any tapes of Hillary like what we have heard of Trump. Besides that, the tape wasn't even needed, just crystallized what people suspected because of Trumps general approach towards women, and because of already pending cases before the tape even came out.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

I'm not really surprised, at all, she has handled herself so well throughout this campaign. Why wouldn't she? She did, after all, keep it together during Bill's highly nationalized, publicized, and controversial affair. Trump barking off on stage left is probably a walk in the park compared to that.

 

[Revoltingest]

Maybe, but that doesn't change my point. She wouldn't attack people thinking they are victims, at least I would hope.

Whatever she believed, I say her treatment of them wrong.

Well I'm not trying to find a saint to vote for. I wish.

No saints for me either.
Hillary's being a sexual assault enabler isn't on my list things to consider when voting.
But it's compelling to discuss nonetheless.

Fine but I haven't heard any tapes of Hillary like what we have heard of Trump. Besides that, the tape wasn't even needed, just crystallized what people suspected because of Trumps general approach towards women, and because of already pending cases before the tape even came out.

It's clear that Hillary has far more restraint than Trump regarding speech.
But this too doesn't matter to me.

 

[james dixon]

"Why do Americans hate Hillary so much?"

"Hate" is not a word in the Lord's vocabulary. Having said that I am going to vote for Hillary which will cancel your vote for dump. So stay home, why bother

 

[Scuba Pete]

When I point out that Hillary actively suppressed & discredited women who accused Bill

You mean like Melania is doing now. You aren't condemning her. Why is that? Why the double standard?

 

[Revoltingest]

You mean like Melania is doing now.

No evidence to offer?

You aren't condemning her. Why is that?

Because this election is concerns the candidates' behavior.
FYI, Trump's wife isn't running for office.

Why the double standard?

One standard.
"Double" means two.
I'm an expert at counting.
I could teach you, if you wish.
Even a diver would find this a useful skill.

 

[idav]

Whatever she believed, I say her treatment of them wrong.

No saints for me either.
Hillary's being a sexual assault enabler isn't on my list things to consider when voting.
But it's compelling to discuss nonetheless.

See thing is "not believing" makes a difference in crime enabling. One has to be aware of criminal activity to enable.

But sure please, just blame the woman for believing the husband (for allegations). makes muuch sense.

And are we now just assuming this stuff is automatically true so, Trumps wife is a sexual assault enabler? What does this say of trump I wonder.

It's clear that Hillary has far more restraint than Trump regarding speech.
But this too doesn't matter to me.

Even for a president who needs to stay out of hot water in foreign affairs.

 

[Revoltingest]

See thing is "not believing" makes a difference in crime enabling. One has to be aware of criminal activity to enable.

There is also the possibility of consciously averting one's eyes for plausible deniability.
But that speculation aside, one can defend without belittling the accusers.
I can't know what she thought.
I focus upon what she did.

But sure please, just blame the woman for believing the husband (for allegations). makes muuch sense.

She is nonetheless culpable for her own actions.

And are we now just assuming this stuff is automatically true so, Trumps wife is a sexual assault enabler? What does this say of trump I wonder.

Has Trump's wife behaved as Hillary did?
It seems you suggest this without actually saying so.

Even for a president who needs to stay out of hot water in foreign affairs.

I thought it was established that a president being a cad was very "European"?
<snicker>

 

[psychoslice]

You needn't. The USA is going to do it for you.
Tom

And as usual they do the wrong thing.

 

[idav]

There is also the possibility of consciously averting one's eyes for plausible deniability.
But that speculation aside, one can defend without belittling the accusers.
I can't know what she thought.
I focus upon what she did.

She is nonetheless culpable for her own actions.

Has Trump's wife behaved as Hillary did?
It seems you suggest this without actually saying so.

I'm more interested in this aspect you suggest that these wives believe their husbands are sexual predator, for allegations that are assumed to be true.

I thought it was established that a president being a cad was very "European"?
<snicker>

No, I just don't expect a president to go to other countries in a condescending manner telling them to pay up.

 

[Revoltingest]

I'm more interested in this aspect you suggest that these wives believe their husbands are sexual predator, for allegations that are assumed to be true.

I don't assume they're true.
Some might be.
Some might not.
I don't know what Bill told Hillary, or if she believed him.
But there are differences....
Trump's wife said he apologized to her.
She hasn't attacked his accusers.
To exculpate Hillary's errant behavior by criticizing Mrs Trump this way is pretty unconvincing.

 

[Scuba Pete]

No evidence to offer?

 

[Scuba Pete]

No evidence to offer?

 

[Lighthouse]

I'm not one who points at Bills issues while ignoring Trumps and simultaneously blaming the woman.

Hillbotics 101, she has that mind real good.

Nobody is blaming Hillary for Donald and Bills actions.

Hillary is solely responsible for being her own hypocrite towards women. Nobody else, Hilbotics 101 minds shift imaginary blame, uses the poor Hillary victim mentality.