Why do Americans hate Hillary so much?

[idav]

Nobody is blaming Hillary for Donald and Bills actions.

She can't be a protector of an alleged criminal the same as she can't be the victim of an alleged crime.

 

[idav]

She hasn't attacked his accusers.

Trump does enough attacking for the both of them.

 

[Lighthouse]

She can't be a protector of an alleged criminal the same as she can't be the victim of an alleged crime.

People have their own minds and many don't like her for being a hypocrite towards women. It's really that simple.
Your own mind is made also, if you feel she is not a hypocrite towards women so be it. If you feel the need to constantly defend her, so be it. If you feel the need to blame the people for not liking her like you do with the "blame the woman" card, so be it.
I gave a reason why people don't like her. Those people are not you, and you are not them.

 

[idav]

People have their own minds and many don't like her for being a hypocrite towards women. It's really that simple.
Your own mind is made also, if you feel she is not a hypocrite towards women so be it. If you feel the need to constantly defend her, so be it. If you feel the need to blame the people for not liking her like you do with the "blame the woman" card, so be it.
I gave a reason why people don't like her. Those people are not you, and you are not them.

You responded to my reaction about people generally seeing the womans sins and not the mens. What exactly does it mean when you allude to Hillary starting it and Trump accusing her of the same? Same what, sexual misconduct or that its her fault her husband should be attacked? The only real reason Trump brought bills accusers into the picture was cause of the tape.

 

[Revoltingest]

Posting this 'evidence' twice doesn't make it twice as convincing.

 

[Revoltingest]

Trump does enough attacking for the both of them.

I'm not clear on your intent.
Is it to impugn his Mrs, or is it a claim that Trump has attacked
his own accusers in the way Hillary attacked Bill's.
(It's early for me, so it's going to take time to get up to speed.)

 

[Revoltingest]

People have their own minds and many don't like her for being a hypocrite towards women. It's really that simple.
Your own mind is made also, if you feel she is not a hypocrite towards women so be it. If you feel the need to constantly defend her, so be it. If you feel the need to blame the people for not liking her like you do with the "blame the woman" card, so be it.
I gave a reason why people don't like her. Those people are not you, and you are not them.

When I criticized Obama, I was called a "racist" here.
Now I criticize Hillary, &...well...you know what happens..
One wonders if they feign this outrage, or if they really
believe that awful people & policies are not the cause?

 

[metis]

Seems like Hillary might also believe that he's muslim (not that it ultimately matters to me one way or another). If she's serious, then she believes Obama's a Muslim. If she's joking, then she must be racist.

And do you know when and where this was said and what that involved? Maybe google "Al Smith Dinner" and find out.

 

[idav]

I'm not clear on your intent.
Is it to impugn his Mrs, or is it a claim that Trump has attacked
his own accusers in the way Hillary attacked Bill's.
(It's early for me, so it's going to take time to get up to speed.)

It's a bit early for me too but since you ask.

Hillary might be attacking bills accusers not believing the lies of some "not so nice names" of people who do this. I brought up the wives to point out the fact these women don't think these hints are true. However trump is attacking his own accusers which is a whole different thing when we don't know the truth of the matter.

Seems between the two similar "sins" of the candidates Trumps seem more grotesque If the allegations are actually true, especially since the wives wouldn't believe. Also although Mrs. Trump may not believe and may not use as colorful language in light of a campaign running, she is doing nothing but the same illigitimizing of potential victims (which is an issue into itself) instead of being concerned about the nature of the accusations and she supports Trumps attacks.

 

[columbus]

Trump has attacked
his own accusers in the way Hillary attacked Bill's.

Personally, I see little wrong with what Hillary did. I have next to no sympathy for people who get involved with married people to begin with.

And they knew the guy that they were banging was married to a hard as nails lawyer with political ambition.
They're lucky nothing worse happened to them.

Frankly, I wouldn't much care about Trump's sex issues either. It is not like douche bags in high office is particularly news. T'was ever thus. I care more about his tax returns and idiotic policies and temperament. He is very crooked and weak as presidential timber goes.
Tom

 

[Revoltingest]

.....she is doing nothing but the same illigitimizing of potential victims (which is an issue into itself) instead of being concerned about the nature of the accusations and she supports Trumps attacks.

What has she said of the accusers, which makes you think she supports Trump's attacks upon them?
(I just haven't seen anything in the news about this. But I haven't searched.)

But this all seems a distraction.
Hillary is running for prez, & her conduct is an issue.
(That she did what she did to defend Bill's conduct doesn't make it about Bill.)
Trump is running for prez, & his conduct is an issue.

 

[Revoltingest]

Note that your quote of my post is incomplete, & alters my meaning greatly.

Personally, I see little wrong with what Hillary did. I have next to no sympathy for people who get involved with married people to begin with.

Including women who claim to have been raped by Bill?
Did they deserve it?

And they knew the guy that they were banging was married to a hard as nails lawyer with political ambition.
They're lucky nothing worse happened to them.
Frankly, I wouldn't much care about Trump's sex issues either. It is not like douche bags in high office is particularly news. T'was ever thus. I care more about his tax returns and idiotic policies and temperament. He is very crooked and weak as presidential timber goes.
Tom

I too put sexual escapades aside in voting.
But it happens to be the subject de jour.
I hope it dies a quick death after the election.

 

[idav]

But this all seems a distraction.
Hillary is running for prez, & her conduct is an issue.
(That she did what she did to defend Bill's conduct doesn't make it about Bill.)
Trump is running for prez, & his conduct is an issue.

Thats fair enough and my whole idea about it keeps coming back to, there is no room for Trump to attack Hillarys character in light of his own issues. Which is what I have thought even before the tape of Trump came out. I was more shocked that Trump would resort to such tactics because of his own demons to battle in this election. Before the tape came out Trump had publicly said that he wouldn't bring Bill into the issue, but once the tape came out he did a complete 180 to the point of bringing accusers to the second debate, which I am also opposed. Trump does the same, and perhaps even worse in my view, considering he is the subject of accusations. I also don't see Hillary shaming people in public except when people want to bring up very personal issues. Trump shames people for what ever floats his boat, and is attacking potential victims, also insinuating that they are not pretty or good enough.

 

[Revoltingest]

Thats fair enough and my whole idea about it keeps coming back to, there is no room for Trump to attack Hillarys character in light of his own issues.

Yes, I too have noticed that Trump has some character flaws.

Which is what I have thought even before the tape of Trump came out. I was more shocked that Trump would resort to such tactics because of his own demons to battle in this election. Before the tape came out Trump had publicly said that he wouldn't bring Bill into the issue, but once the tape came out he did a complete 180 to the point of bringing accusers to the second debate, which I am also opposed. Trump does the same, and perhaps even worse in my view, considering he is the subject of accusations. I also don't see Hillary shaming people in public except when people want to bring up very personal issues. Trump shames people for what ever floats his boat, and is attacking potential victims, also insinuating that they are not pretty or good enough.

I'm not a big fan of shame.
I don't know what it feels like, so I wouldn't impose it upon others.

 

[buddhist]

And do you know when and where this was said and what that involved? Maybe google "Al Smith Dinner" and find out.

Yes, I was aware of that.

 

[Lighthouse]

When I criticized Obama, I was called a "racist" here.
Now I criticize Hillary, &...well...you know what happens..
One wonders if they feign this outrage, or if they really
believe that awful people & policies are not the cause?

I believe that an imbalanced and partial mind, and lack of empathy for others views (some call this bigotry) leads to not even being aware of themselves or what they do. Blame, guillability, negative emotion, phantom justification is then induced.
I also believe some consciously know better, they just ignore or won't listen and other voice of mind within them prevails.
I was once blind to this myself, doing the same things back in the day so I understand where they are coming from and have patience towards that mindset.

Question, while Hillary Clinton is being voted for and not Bill Clinton... do you believe Bill Clinton is also being indirectly elected?

 

[Shadow Wolf]

"Why do Americans hate Hillary so much?"

"Hate" is not a word in the Lord's vocabulary. Having said that I am going to vote for Hillary which will cancel your vote for dump. So stay home, why bother

I really shouldn't like that. But a Trump win puts Pence is a huge position of power and only a heart-beat away from being President. Pence has already tried to make it in Indiana so that the civil rights of many are subjugated to the so-called "religious right" to hate and discriminate. Trump has already indicated he will be nominating Justices who would overturn Hodges v Obergefeller. If it wasn't for the Supreme Court, I'd stay home.

 

[columbus]

Note that your quote of my post is incomplete, & alters my meaning greatly.

I knew that. I only intended to respond to the one aspect of your post.

Including women who claim to have been raped by Bill?
Did they deserve it?

Probably. Most likely even.
I don't know for sure. But I do know that the definition of rape has changed enormously since then. Anyone can claim "rape victim" status and confidently assume that their version of events won't get much scrutiny. Scrutinizing such claims is assumed to be victim blaming and shaming, so it "simply isn't done" in PC society. Just ask the Women's Studies department of any major university or the staff of Rolling Stone magazine.

Frankly I don't think Slick Willy had to force himself on anyone. Too many women would throw themselves at a guy like that to take such a risk.

I too put sexual escapades aside in voting.
But it happens to be the subject de jour.
I hope it dies a quick death after the election.

It will probably fall off the front pages. Praise Jesus!
But I am not sure that your favorite loser will be able to shake off the problems so easily. Civil courts cases may linger on for awhile after the media go on to the next scandal du jour.
Tom

 

[Revoltingest]

I believe that an imbalanced and partial mind, and lack of empathy for others views (some call this bigotry) leads to not even being aware of themselves or what they do. Blame, guillability, negative emotion, phantom justification is then induced.
I also believe some consciously know better, they just ignore or won't listen and other voice of mind within them prevails.
I was once blind to this myself, doing the same things back in the day so I understand where they are coming from and have patience towards that mindset.

Question, while Hillary Clinton is being voted for and not Bill Clinton... do you believe Bill Clinton is also being indirectly elected?

You'd have to ask her supporters if they expect Bill to have a role in governing.

I just remembered an aspect of sexism which reared its ugly head when Madeleine Albright admonished women voters that there's a special place in Hell if they don't vote for Hillary.
I wonder how she came by this knowledge, or how it would be enforced?

 

[Revoltingest]

Probably. Most likely even.

I never expected to get an answer that suggests women could deserve rape.
Nothing personal......but I'm moving away from you....up range....behind cover.....

I don't know for sure. But I do know that the definition of rape has changed enormously since then. Anyone can claim "rape victim" status and confidently assume that their version of events won't get much scrutiny. Scrutinizing such claims is assumed to be victim blaming and shaming, so it "simply isn't done" in PC society. Just ask the Women's Studies department of any major university or the staff of Rolling Stone magazine.
Frankly I don't think Slick Willy had to force himself on anyone. Too many women would throw themselves at a guy like that to take such a risk.
It will probably fall off the front pages. Praise Jesus!
But I am not sure that your favorite loser will be able to shake off the problems so easily. Civil courts cases may linger on for awhile after the media go on to the next scandal du jour.
Tom

My favorite loser will survive his problems easily.
I wouldn't know what a LEPPO is either.