Why do Americans hate Hillary so much?

[Revoltingest]

How does that matter?

Hey, you broached this subject.
Why do it, & then challenge a response?

No, it says a great deal about her anger. You and yours don't seem to understand the situation.

Or is it that you, as a Hillary fan, are blind to her wrongful behavior?

This couple has been under constant attack for decades. After being slandered left and right, I can completely understand her anger. And it's truly absurd coming from Trump voter.

The Clinton victim card carries no weight.
They've been attacked no worse than other politicians, except that Bill really did poop in his own
hands by lying to a grand jury & suborning perjury. That sort of behavior got him impeached.
This is pretty lame apologetics, to defend them by dredging up the "vast right wing conspiracy" again.

Trump has said worse over much less.

Trump is a dirt bag.
But this doesn't change who Hillary is, what she's done, & what risk she poses as president.

 

[Revoltingest]

I know, and Trump wants to send more young men into Iraq to fight ISIS.

And this is a big problem with him, one which makes
deciding who to vote for or against so difficult.
Do you find here easy to vote for?

 

[Scuba Pete]

If you listen and hear Hillary Clinton clearly, that is what she is proposing.

Another interesting fact that is just as true: If you say gullible slow enough, it sounds just like oranges. No, rly. You should try it, but you have to say it very slowly. No, slower than that. Let me know when you get it. Just don't give up until you get it right.

While I fully understand why Trump lies, I don't get why sheeple believe those lies. Most of it, I am certain, comes from their unreasonable and incessant hate of Clinton. They say she lies like it's a given, but when pressed for substantive examples, they can only come up with manufactured ones like Benghazi. They are so deceived by the White Wingers that they don't even realize they have been lied to. It would be humorous to a number of us, if they didn't infect others with their vituperative lies, but it's like a cancer that's growing at an alarming rate. How incredible sad for our nation.

 

[metis]

I know, and Trump wants to send more young men into Iraq to fight ISIS.

And use carpet bombing and maybe even tactical nukes-- yep, he's such a Peacenik.

 

[Underhill]

And this is a big problem with him, one which makes
deciding who to vote for or against so difficult.
Do you find here easy to vote for?

My conscience will be clear. I don't think there is much of a choice here.

As I've said before, and he continually points out. He is much more of a hothead than Hillary. His plans, virtually all of them, lack foresight and basic understanding of what is going on in the world.

 

[Revoltingest]

Another interesting fact that is just as true: If you say gullible slow enough, it sounds just like oranges. No, rly. You should try it, but you have to say it very slowly. No, slower than that. Let me know when you get it. Just don't give up until you get it right.

While I fully understand why Trump lies, I don't get why sheeple believe those lies. Most of it, I am certain, comes from their unreasonable and incessant hate of Clinton. They say she lies like it's a given, but when pressed for substantive examples, they can only come up with manufactured ones like Benghazi. They are so deceived by the White Wingers that they don't even realize they have been lied to. It would be humorous to a number of us, if they didn't infect others with their vituperative lies, but it's like a cancer that's growing at an alarming rate. How incredible sad for our nation.

In a thread asking why Americastanians hate Hillary so much, I notice that her fans arrive to oppose every reason. I wonder why they cannot tolerate criticism? Tis as though the strain to believe she's a saint who is burdened with endlessly fighting off evil hordes.

Btw, to make it about the race of her detractors is racist.
Perhaps you're white (your avatar looks pasty even underwater), but attacking people
folk for being white is still racist. (So much for the tolerance of Democrats, eh.)
Shouldn't it be about the issues, & not race or gender of the voters?

 

[Revoltingest]

My conscience will be clear. I don't think there is much of a choice here.
As I've said before, and he continually points out. He is much more of a hothead than Hillary. His plans, virtually all of them, lack foresight and basic understanding of what is going on in the world.

So you have certainty in your choice?

 

[Underhill]

Hey, you broached this subject.
Why do it, & then challenge a response?

Or is it that you, as a Hillary fan, are blind to her wrongful behavior?

Her behavior is a human reaction to a **** situation.

The Clinton victim card carries no weight.
They've been attacked no worse than other politicians, except that Bill really did poop in his own
hands by lying to a grand jury & suborning perjury. That sort of behavior got him impeached.
This is pretty lame apologetics, to defend them by dredging up the "vast right wing conspiracy" again.

No, you've got it wrong. It's not a conspiracy. They are doing it right out in the open. Yes, Bill got it wrong. He lied about oral sex. But, as I've pointed out and you've ignored, they had no business asking him those questions in the first place. It was a witch hunt led by Ken Starr. Just as Benghazi was. Just as 90% of the press on Hillary has been for the last 20 years. I laugh when I hear the laundry list of things people claim she has done.

She wouldn't be my first choice because all this baggage will make it hard for her to govern. But the more I learn about her, the more I like her.

Trump is a dirt bag.
But this doesn't change who Hillary is, what she's done, & what risk she poses as president.

It just means you are throwing stones while standing in a glass house.

 

[Underhill]

So you have certainty in your choice?

Between Trump and Clinton? Of course I do.

 

[Revoltingest]

Between Trump and Clinton? Of course I do.

Do you find her a fine choice, or are you settling?
If so, how?

 

[Underhill]

Do you find her a fine choice, or are you settling?
If so, how?

I think she would be a fine choice if not for the fact that she will be even less effective than Obama thanks to all the garbage surrounding her.

That is the biggest problem I see with her. The people don't trust her. I didn't trust her until I chose to actually educate myself about her. She isn't nearly as monstrous as she is portrayed. A bit paranoid, a bit angry but I see no sign of anything outside the norm for a politician.

 

[metis]

I think she would be a fine choice if not for the fact that she will be even less effective than Obama thanks to all the garbage surrounding her.

That is the biggest problem I see with her. The people don't trust her. I didn't trust her until I chose to actually educate myself about her. She isn't nearly as monstrous as she is portrayed. A bit paranoid, a bit angry but I see no sign of anything outside the norm for a politician.

I fully agree with you, for what it's worth. It's amazingly pathetic that some actually believe that Trump is a more trustworthy and a safer choice. Maybe in some other universe he is.

 

[Revoltingest]

I think she would be a fine choice if not for the fact that she will be even less effective than Obama thanks to all the garbage surrounding her.

This is weird.
Perhaps I have greater clarity than thou hast because I just had some great
chicken soup (with extra mushrooms) & 2 pieces of perfectly adequate apple pie.
You say it's a "fact" she'll be less effective.
I'd say only she might be.
She could even be better than Obama.
Never discount the profound effect of random chance.

Notice my superior grasp of reality?

That is the biggest problem I see with her. The people don't trust her. I didn't trust her until I chose to actually educate myself about her. She isn't nearly as monstrous as she is portrayed. A bit paranoid, a bit angry but I see no sign of anything outside the norm for a politician.

I don't disagree much on that.
Where I differ with her is on her agendas....past & likely future.
My finding both her & Trump to be dirt bags is irrelevant to my vote.

My apologies to bags of dirt, btw.

 

[Revoltingest]

I fully agree with you, for what it's worth. It's amazingly pathetic that some actually believe that Trump is a more trustworthy and a safer choice. Maybe in some other universe he is.

Here you go again.....halfway conversing with someone you have on <ignore>.
You mistakenly believe I find Trump trustworthy. In fact, I've repeatedly stated
that I find him even less so than Hillary. Now...don't you feel foolish?
Dry those tears, & try again....this time by first reading that to which you respond.

 

[columbus]

I think she would be a fine choice if not for the fact that she will be even less effective than Obama thanks to all the garbage surrounding her.

I disagree a bit with this part of your post, although time will tell.
I think Clinton has a lot more clout than Obama has, even now. She can get things done that he can't. She is far more Machiavellian and ruthless. She's got her Foundation and Bill as well. Even if she has no more support on Capitol Hill than Obama does, she can still get more done. And she is likely to have a lot more, a senate majority at least.
This is why I think she can actually accomplish more of Sanders goals than he could have managed. And his success in the primaries demonstrated that those policies have far more popular support than conventional wisdom would have given them credit for. IOW, it is now more politically expedient to go that direction and she is quite the opportunist.
Tom

 

[Revoltingest]

I think she would be a fine choice if not for the fact that she will be even less effective than Obama thanks to all the garbage surrounding her.

That is the biggest problem I see with her. The people don't trust her. I didn't trust her until I chose to actually educate myself about her. She isn't nearly as monstrous as she is portrayed. A bit paranoid, a bit angry but I see no sign of anything outside the norm for a politician.

Hey, another question or 2....
Would you prefer any 3rd party types?
(This doesn't include Bernie, who is out of the race.)
If so, why not vote for one?

 

[Scuba Pete]

In a thread asking why Americastanians hate Hillary so much, I notice that her fans arrive to oppose every reason.

It's certainly not apparent that "reason" is present in any of the White Wing's response.

I wonder why they cannot tolerate criticism?

Criticize all you want. I object to the lie after lie being presented as "truth". You really can't present any substantive proof for your fantasy version of the truth. You've got volumes of hearsay like Clinton wants to enable last day abortions, but absolutely nothing to back that up. Nothing, nada and squat in precisely that order. Rather than give us that proof, you rail that we have debunked your unmitigated BS. Sorry about that. It's not my fault that you don't get it, but I'm still sorry that you don't.

Btw, to make it about the race of her detractors is racist.

What are you saying here? That all of her detractors are "white"??? What an admission. However, I've taken a cue from Trump himself. You can't solve a problem if you're unwilling to say the name. You believe in that right? So while he sees "Radical Islam" as the problem, I'm willing to label "White Wingers" as the real problem. Hell, if he can get away with it, why can't I? How does it feel to have it thrown back at you?

 

[Revoltingest]

It's certainly not apparent that "reason" is present in any of the White Wing's response.

If all one does is object to every criticism without consideration, how will one ever understand?
I recommend observing some other Hillary fans here, who are willing to face & discuss her
various warts.

 

[Underhill]

I disagree a bit with this part of your post, although time will tell.
I think Clinton has a lot more clout than Obama has, even now. She can get things done that he can't. She is far more Machiavellian and ruthless. She's got her Foundation and Bill as well. Even if she has no more support on Capitol Hill than Obama does, she can still get more done. And she is likely to have a lot more, a senate majority at least.
This is why I think she can actually accomplish more of Sanders goals than he could have managed. And his success in the primaries demonstrated that those policies have far more popular support than conventional wisdom would have given them credit for. IOW, it is now more politically expedient to go that direction and she is quite the opportunist.
Tom

We shall see. But I don't know.

 

[Underhill]

Hey, another question or 2....
Would you prefer any 3rd party types?
(This doesn't include Bernie, who is out of the race.)
If so, why not vote for one?

No. They are all a bit too far off the rails for my taste.