Why do atheist believe something can come from nothing?

[Milton Platt]

No, Theists just reject the positive claim that there is no god. Theists do not rationally think there is sufficient evidence to the belief of that claim; the speculative theory of 'no god'. If we found evidence for the that claim then we would start believing the Atheist belief system.

I have not made such a claim. I said I do not believe there is a god.

 

[Milton Platt]

No, Theists just reject the positive claim that there is no god. Theists do not rationally think there is sufficient evidence to the belief of that claim; the speculative theory of 'no god'. If we found evidence for the that claim then we would start believing the Atheist belief system.

You are trying to assert that all atheist are hard atheists....the majority are soft atheists. They simply lack a belief in a god because the evidence is insufficient for belief. If a particular atheist makes a claim that they know a specific god does not exist, then that particular atheist has a burden of proof accompanying the claim, same as those who claim that there is a god. Either one is a claim and requires satisfying a burden of proof. You might wish to locate a hard atheist who makes such a claim and discuss it with him or her. As for the rest of us, it is simply a lack of belief. One should not believe something is true until the evidence supports it.Theists believe that hearsay evidence from stories which are unsigned and unverifiable are good evidence. Others do not.

 

[sooda]

You are trying to assert that all atheist are hard atheists....the majority are soft atheists. They simply lack a belief in a god because the evidence is insufficient for belief. I a particular atheist makes a claim that the know a specific god does not exist, then that particular atheist has a burden of proof accompanying the claim, same as those who claim that there is a god. Either one is a claim and requires satisfying a burden of proof. You might wish to locate a hard atheist who makes such a claim and discuss it with him or her. As for the rest of us, it is simply a lack of belief. One should not believe something is true until the evidence supports it.Theists believe that hearsay evidence from stories which are unsigned and unverifiable are good evidence. Others do not.

Sometimes people just want to be insulting, pick a fight and play victim.

 

[leov]

Nope. You gave me a pure bs non-evidence, not-argument.

Moreover? Your claim is 100% Argument From Popularity Logical Fallacy.

Finally? You are engaging in Shifting The Burden of Proof Logical Fallacy.

YOU make the incredibly stupid claim "organs of perception" without a single argument in support.

YOUR CLAIM-- YOU PROVE IT. Until you do? BOGUS.

I just proved you WRONG. Now what?

Atheism coming up with strange
ideas, while what I said was known for thousands of years by as of today 7 against 93, your statement needs to be supported by a proof.

 

[ChristineM]

A most excellent straw man argument, dude! Kudos!

Now you are contradicting yourself. What is straw man about you griping about what Dawkins says??? The evidence is in your posts.

 

[leov]

Atheists don't know either where things started either.. They just comprehend evolution and know the earth is probably 5 billion years old.

They do not understand evolution.

 

[ChristineM]

Are they really passionate or just playing the part? We see passionate scenes in movies all the time that are actors just playing the part.

We never know...

 

[sooda]

They do not understand evolution.

Atheists? Some do. Depends on their level of education.

Top 10 Prehistoric Sharks

 

[We Never Know]

Atheists don't know either where things started either.. They just comprehend evolution and know the earth is probably 5 billion years old.

Exactly. We don't know where. It could have been from a god, a pink fairy, another universe, or could have been from nothing.
It's just as applicable to say the singularity existed in nothing or something but we don't know.

 

[We Never Know]

Atheists don't know either where things started either.. They just comprehend evolution and know the earth is probably 5 billion years old.

It goes way beyond evolution and earth, the universe is 13.7 billion years old.

 

[We Never Know]

We never know...

Hence my name

 

[ChristineM]

Remember a few years back when a handful of crackpots were screaming "Bible codes"?

Yes, there were a few documentories on it and it made some film makers rich(er)

 

[sooda]

Exactly. We don't know where. It could have been from a god, a pink fairy, another universe, or could have been from nothing.
It's just as applicable to say the singularity existed in nothing or something but we don't know.

Evolution and evolutionary theory are already confusing enough. Yet, it becomes more complicated when creationists promulgate the mistaken idea that evolution is the same as abiogenesis. Abiogenesis is the theory that life stems from inorganic or inanimate matter — forms that do not have life.
Dispelling the Myth of Abiogenesis and Evolution
www.learnreligions.com/abiogenesis-and-evolution-249875

 

[Road Warrior]

Then, perhaps, you can explain the gross immorality of your god refusing to act Godly, and show it is, in fact, real, and not a hoax perpetrated by con artists. View attachment 30165

You're assuming "God" is the Christian God; a powerful old man sitting on a golden throne. Anthropomorphizing a power capable of creating the entire Universe is a mistake, IMO.

 

[Road Warrior]

Are they really passionate or just playing the part? We see passionate scenes in movies all the time that are actors just playing the part.

I'd say both. Some are true believers, some not much.

 

[We Never Know]

Evolution and evolutionary theory are already confusing enough. Yet, it becomes more complicated when creationists promulgate the mistaken idea that evolution is the same as abiogenesis. Abiogenesis is the theory that life stems from inorganic or inanimate matter — forms that do not have life.
Dispelling the Myth of Abiogenesis and Evolution
www.learnreligions.com/abiogenesis-and-evolution-249875

Evolution as we know it is after life started.
Yes abiogenesis is life rising naturally through several hypothesis and theories.
In reality material had to evolve to become life since life didn't just poof into existence.

 

[Road Warrior]

Atheists don't know either where things started either.. They just comprehend evolution and know the earth is probably 5 billion years old.

As do many theists and believers. Being an atheist or theist doesn't mean a person can't be scientific....but it also doesn't mean they are. Some theists take the Bible literally, like YECs, and some atheists spend more time denouncing anyone who believes than studying the Universe.

IMO, if God created the Universe then God also created all of the rules and laws that govern that Universe. To study those laws and rules is divine, to deny them is to deny God's creation.

 

[We Never Know]

Then, perhaps, you can explain the gross immorality of your god refusing to act Godly, and show it is, in fact, real, and not a hoax perpetrated by con artists. View attachment 30165

How is a god supposed to act or how should a god act? Is there guidelines? Rules? Who sets them?

 

[Road Warrior]

Evolution as we know it is after life started.
Yes abiogenesis is life wrong naturally through several hypothesis and theories.
In reality material had to evolve to become life since life didn't just poof into existence.

To be fair, there is no evidence either way as to how life began, but we can certainly agree on the facts of evolution.

 

[ChristineM]

Evolution and evolutionary theory are already confusing enough. Yet, it becomes more complicated when creationists promulgate the mistaken idea that evolution is the same as abiogenesis. Abiogenesis is the theory that life stems from inorganic or inanimate matter — forms that do not have life.
Dispelling the Myth of Abiogenesis and Evolution
www.learnreligions.com/abiogenesis-and-evolution-249875

I dont find it confusing.