Why do atheists/agnostics/liberals have an anti American attitude?

[Luminous]

I agree. The unions should also be limited in their contributions and General Electric should not be allowed special favors in return for their support of Obama, and rich liberals who do not live in this country should not be allowed to contribute, etc.

I agree.
however there is no difference between a union and a coorperation...except maybe their stated goals.
unions seek to provide job security
coorperations seek to provide objects and other services

nor should foreign enemies of America, such as the owners of Fox News, be allowed to promote their anti-America agenda.
the Australians should not be allowed to hypnotize the fallacious conservatives into self-congratulation.

 

[DarkSun]

Just why is this the case? They don't like the Consitution, the Bible, babies, pie in the sky, God, or old time religion. I say love it or leave it. Christians, it is time to stand up for the USA. (Please do not use sarcasium in your answers atheist & liberals as this is a serious thread.) Remember the question is why.

I'm pretty sure everyone, except US citizens who swallow what they're spoonfed by media, can see that America has some huge issues.

 

[Luminous]

Here is a better answer for you Proud 2B Gay. No body ever claimed the Constitution was based on the Bible or Christianity so we do not need to defend that statement. However, the vast majority of the authors were Christian.

"We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defence, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America."

The premise on which the Constitution was written was not deism or any established religion. The Constitution gets its authority from “we the people” and the 1. Constitution was written to “conserve” the values of “we the people” and not the values of any specific established religion (mainly the Church of England or the Roman Catholic Church). While there can be no doubt that religious freedom was protected by the Constitution, there is no doubt that the vast majority of “we the people were Christians. When “we the people “ adopted the Constitution there was no doubt that its values being perpetually conserved 2. would protect Christian values and the values of all democratic religions.

We the people made it clear that we did not want any religion to dominate the people. We the people have been free to worship or not worship God as we please. In 1954, we the people, in our national pledge did say what the nation thought about our country, 3. that we were “one nation under God,” which is a value that we the people have held since the Constitution was adopted. How could we say this? The reason is simple, because “we the people” are the ones who decide. Since the declaration of Independence, our country and “we the people have said that we believe in God. We the people did not specifically define God but :we the people” declared that our inalienable, 4. self evident human rights came from God. This declaration did not favor any established religion but it was and is a rejection of humanism especially in as much as humanism is related liberal politics of today. 5. “We the people” still want to conserve our national values.

6. Why do the liberals keep loosing in American politics? It is because we do not want to change in a direction different from our values of old. The liberals keep saying that 7. we must change our values but the country does not trust that any move away from American idealism will bring success for our country. 8. At the present time, it is American idealism (conservatism of values) that is driving the march of freedom in the Middle East and around the world. The liberal politicians have been caught flatfooted and the liberal press can not explain the affect that we the people are having on the world. Liberal journalist are pained in trying to explain the march of freedom without giving credit to Reagan/Bush idealism. Reagan/ Bush did not create this idealism but they did recognize it as America’s greatest value and simply followed the visions of our country since the time it began We the people did all this and we keep marching even today.

1. The constitution was crafted by non-christians, accepted by educated christians, and established to "ensure" the LIBERAL values of "we the people".
2. yes, atheists, deists, and agnostics, and their relentless strive to agree with christians and conserve "christian values" but not their own. :sarcastic
3. a small part of "we the people" that wished to change our country from the agnostic purity it once had into more a pagan example that fit their idolatry of words.
4. again a small minority of "we the people". As well as the fact that they didn't have the information that we have now. some of them were atheists so i doubt they would have allowed the anti-agnostics their way to lie themselves into self-congratulation.
5. Again, our PROGRESSIVE national values, with which we were likely blessed by God.
6. liberals keep loosing because they want to destroy america, by failing at maintaining their the power that they take away from conservatives constantly everytime they win elections, which is often.:flirt:
7. tipical lie from self-congratulating conservatives.
8. a complete lie. Progresiveism is what is marching this change from conservatism that the Republican's supported in Egypt and Middle East.
9. We are a great country ONLY because of progress not because of an actor or a war-criminal.

 

[Luminous]

So you want only rich liberal to contribute? Why not set spending limits for all parties, like Obama promised to abide to in the last presidential election with John McCain. Obama backed out when all his rich buddies came with their truck loads of money though. It is no accident that General Electric and NBC gets all these government contracts, is it? Don't you really think that campaign limits on spending is the best answer for both parties? The Democrats are especially interested in limiting big business's influence in politics, unless it is GE.

After all , they are political parties...they are there to win elections, not to do what is best for a country.
Obama's rich buddies probably don't want to live in a third world country were the people will rebel and establish a communist state.

 

[Debunker]

I agree.
however there is no difference between a union and a coorperation...except maybe their stated goals.
unions seek to provide job security
coorperations seek to provide objects and other services

nor should foreign enemies of America, such as the owners of Fox News, be allowed to promote their anti-America agenda.
the Australians should not be allowed to hypnotize the fallacious conservatives into self-congratulation.

Just when I thought you were coming to common grounds with"we the people" concept, you attack the only true news network that tries to be fair and balanced. If it were not for Fox, the conservative voice would not be heard whatsoever. Of course, that would probably please you but you know this would be unfair. It is, however, very un-American to disallow the voice of a particular group; therefore, you and I are obliged to tolerate the voice of those with which we disagree, so says "we the people" of the Constitution.

Fox is the voice of the people and over half of America depends on Fox for their news. Fox reaches more of our citizens than all the other news networks combined. Why would you want to cut that voice off? If you don't like Fox. turn it off. You are also free to ask Americans to turn Fox off. To accomplish this, you will have to get the other networks to present a more balanced picture of the news. Until you manage some similarity of fairness in the news, the people will not listen to your criticisms.

What is happening to Egypt is what is happening to liberals in the USA. For this reason, the former president of Egypt turned off the internet and twitter in order to keep communication away from the people. Knowledge is a destructive power against oppressive politicians and that is still true in America. That is what talk radio and Fox has done to liberalism in America and that is the reason liberals hate Fox and talk radio.

 

[Debunker]

1. The constitution was crafted by non-christians, accepted by educated christians, and established to "ensure" the LIBERAL values of "we the people".
2. yes, atheists, deists, and agnostics, and their relentless strive to agree with christians and conserve "christian values" but not their own. :sarcastic
3. a small part of "we the people" that wished to change our country from the agnostic purity it once had into more a pagan example that fit their idolatry of words.
4. again a small minority of "we the people". As well as the fact that they didn't have the information that we have now. some of them were atheists so i doubt they would have allowed the anti-agnostics their way to lie themselves into self-congratulation.
5. Again, our PROGRESSIVE national values, with which we were likely blessed by God.
6. liberals keep loosing because they want to destroy america, by failing at maintaining their the power that they take away from conservatives constantly everytime they win elections, which is often.:flirt:
7. tipical lie from self-congratulating conservatives.
8. a complete lie. Progresiveism is what is marching this change from conservatism that the Republican's supported in Egypt and Middle East.
9. We are a great country ONLY because of progress not because of an actor or a war-criminal.

All I see here is a great historical misrepresentation of historical facts. I am happy that no where in American public schools is your version of American history is taught. Liberals will keep losing until they learn to listen to the people. The people stacked the deck against political arrogance from the very beginning.

They had had enough with King George and his arrogance and they will not tolerate this same arrogance today. The American people did not elect the new Congress because they were conservatives; it was because the new congress promised to listen to "we the people." If the liberals had listen to the people. then the Republicans would have never been able to win Congress back. Listening to the people is a large part of American idealism. The people did not reject liberalism, they chose American idealism.

Too many Americans reject both liberal and conservative extremism but they heavily support American idealism. Smart politicians know this and both Democrates and Republicans are elected and re-elected because of this fact.The purpose of this thread was designed to make this very point. This thread was not designed to ridicule any person. It was designed to point us all to the "golden mean."

 

[The Voice of Reason]

What a scintillating original post. Can we amend it, to include the Fox logo?

I'm gone for a couple of years, and I come back to a thread like this. The more things change, the more they stay the same.

 

[Debunker]

What a scintillating original post. Can we amend it, to include the Fox logo?

I'm gone for a couple of years, and I come back to a thread like this. The more things change, the more they stay the same.

Welcome back. Sorry no body missed you. From your very first post back, you inter with an insult. That might be a clue why no body missed you. It just so happened that this thread was fishing for someone just like you. What we are really looking for on this thread is common sense and the "golden mean." If you think you can help us, you are welcome. We are making progress in putting our minds together and a peace maker would be helpful. We don't need any more smug arrogance. So welcome!

 

[Sunstone]

What a scintillating original post. Can we amend it, to include the Fox logo?

Damn you, TVOR! I'm suing you for collarbone injury -- I fell off my chair laughing! You're sooo lucky I'm out of frubals or I'd pelt you with them.

I'm gone for a couple of years, and I come back to a thread like this. The more things change, the more they stay the same.

Isn't that the truth! Welcome back!

 

[Sunstone]

Welcome back. Sorry no body missed you. From your very first post back, you inter with an insult. That might be a clue why no body missed you. It just so happened that this thread was fishing for someone just like you. What we are really looking for on this thread is common sense and the "golden mean." If you think you can help us, you are welcome. We are making progress in putting our minds together and a peace maker would be helpful. We don't need any more smug arrogance. So welcome!

I don't recall you yourself started out any differently than what you now criticize so sharply, but f you are genuinely interested now in seeking common ground, I'm all for you, Debunker.

 

[tumbleweed41]

What a scintillating original post. Can we amend it, to include the Fox logo?

I'm gone for a couple of years, and I come back to a thread like this. The more things change, the more they stay the same.

Welcome back VOR!
(I'm starting to think Debunker is under the employ of Faux News myself...)

 

[LuisDantas]

Missed you, Voice. I was considering changing my avatar to a Lion.

 

[The Voice of Reason]

Welcome back. Sorry no body missed you. From your very first post back, you inter with an insult. That might be a clue why no body missed you.

... and you immediately respond in kind. Well, that's good. At least we both know where we stand.

It just so happened that this thread was fishing for someone just like you.

I think you misspelled the word "trolling". Fishing is considered a polite way to pass the time.

What we are really looking for on this thread is common sense and the "golden mean." If you think you can help us, you are welcome. We are making progress in putting our minds together and a peace maker would be helpful.

No, you aren't looking for a "golden mean". You are trolling, just as you admitted in the previous snippet.

We don't need any more smug arrogance. So welcome!

I didn't post it because I think you need it. To be honest, I think you are pretty settled in your world view and are not looking for honest debate. Rather, I think you are looking to stir the pot, trying to provoke a bitterness in people - especially people that do not embrace your particular brand of political fervor for all things on the extreme right wing.

Tell me I'm wrong.

 

[The Voice of Reason]

Welcome back VOR!
(I'm starting to think Debunker is under the employ of Faux News myself...)

Based on what little I've read of his work, I'd have to say that he isn't quite polished enough for Faux News. I think they prefer blondes that can play dumb (a la Gretchen Carlson) or a guy that can pander to non-thinkers of a lower mental capacity.

Oh - and it's great to see you are still here, Tumbleweed.

 

[The Voice of Reason]

Missed you, Voice. I was considering changing my avatar to a Lion.

Luis - I hope you never change a thing. I'm glad to be back, and I'm looking forward to engaging the finer minds that the neocons have to offer. Sadly, it looks like pretty slim pickings right now.

 

[Sententia]

Just why is this the case? They don't like the Consitution, the Bible, babies, pie in the sky, God, or old time religion. I say love it or leave it. Christians, it is time to stand up for the USA. (Please do not use sarcasium in your answers atheist & liberals as this is a serious thread.) Remember the question is why.

What will I do without sarcasium?

 

[tumbleweed41]

W. It is just sinful to deny this to GWB simply because he is a Republican. But that is exactly what is being done. That brother is the big picture.

I really do not care if GWB is a Republican or Democrat.
I find that he did more to harm this country than help it.
He ignored the Palestinians, he invaded a sovereign country without provocation, he misjudged Iran, he committed America to removing Saddam rather than focusing on those responsible for the 9/11 attacks, he alienated Muslims in the middle east, he embraced torture, he initiated the bank bailouts, he supported the breaking down of liberties guaranteed by our forefathers....

Need I go on?

As a patriotic American citizen and veteran, I regret the embarrassment to our country that was George W Bush.

 

[Sententia]

What a scintillating original post. Can we amend it, to include the Fox logo?

I'm gone for a couple of years, and I come back to a thread like this. The more things change, the more they stay the same.

Welcome back mate!

 

[The Voice of Reason]

He and GWB were so much alike in their idealism that they both deserve our admiration for their idealism.

JFK was, indeed, an idealist. He was the very reason that we confronted racism in the South (i.e. the integration of colleges against the will of the ruling white class), among other things.

George W. Bush, on the other hand, was so intellectually vapid that his only redeeming value is that he has been (mostly) silent since leaving the Presidency.

Other than his willingness to do anything necessary to enrich his wealthy cronies, perhaps you could provide us with a couple of his ideals that you think he actually pursued (as opposed to just paying lip service to)?

 

[The Voice of Reason]

Welcome back mate!

Good to be back, Balance.