Why do atheists/agnostics/liberals have an anti American attitude?

[Debunker]

JFK was, indeed, an idealist. He was the very reason that we confronted racism in the South (i.e. the integration of colleges against the will of the ruling white class), among other things.

George W. Bush, on the other hand, was so intellectually vapid that his only redeeming value is that he has been (mostly) silent since leaving the Presidency.

Other than his willingness to do anything necessary to enrich his wealthy cronies, perhaps you could provide us with a couple of his ideals that you think he actually pursued (as opposed to just paying lip service to)?

You can be treated for an oppositional defiant disorder and it should not take two years either. The treatment is real good in creating an anti trolling illness. It is called following the rules of the forum. I do not wish to answer your questions nor do I intend to discuss anything with you. Until you learn to respect the opinions of others, leave me alone.

 

[The Voice of Reason]

You can be treated for an oppositional defiant disorder and it should not take two years either. The treatment is real good in creating an anti trolling illness.

Oh, Debunker. Why the insults? Do we really need them?

It is called following the rules of the forum. I do not wish to answer your questions nor do I intend to discuss anything with you. Until you learn to respect the opinions of others, leave me alone.

Perhaps you can point out to me, just where in the forum rules that it says that I must obtain your permission to post in a given thread?

Scarecrow's Rule #1 - if you insist on posting inflammatory rhetoric, geared toward provoking a fellow member of the forums, you should be prepared to face a withering, sarcastic response, in kind.

Scarecrow's Rule #2 - Passive/Aggressive behavior is so passe. It's been done on this forum, ad nauseum. If you want honest debate, then use an open, friendly tone. If you want to simply trash others that don't agree with you, that's not a problem. The waffling between the two techniques, however, is painfully transparent.

A word of advice - you aren't dealing with children on this forum. If you come to play, you better bring your "A" game.

 

[McBell]

Sorry no body missed you.

Interesting how your ego lets you think you speak for all of RF.

From your very first post back, you inter with an insult.

Careful, your hypocrisy is showing.

That might be a clue why no body missed you.

Still trying to speak for everyone on RF I see.
Your ego knows no bounds.

We don't need any more smug arrogance.

I completely agree.
You have more than enough for all of RF.

 

[McBell]

You can be treated for an oppositional defiant disorder and it should not take two years either. The treatment is real good in creating an anti trolling illness.

Interesting that you suggest a treatment you are in such dire need of...

It is called following the rules of the forum. I do not wish to answer your questions nor do I intend to discuss anything with you.

Wow.
You mean you can dish it out but can't take it?

Until you learn to respect the opinions of others, leave me alone.

It would be good for you to follow your own advice...

 

[McBell]

I do not wish to answer your questions nor do I intend to discuss anything with you. Until you learn to respect the opinions of others, leave me alone.

Every action has an equal and opposite reaction.

Or to put it into words you might better understand:

expect to treated the same way you treat others.
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Or perhaps you think the golden rule applies to everyone BUT you?

 

[The Voice of Reason]

In response to the title of this thread, I would ask:
"Why are some individuals incapable of being able to discern between atheists, agnostics, and liberals"?

Is it a symptom of swallowing too much misinformation from Rupert Murdoch's minions?

 

[Luminous]

Just when I thought you were coming to common grounds with"we the people" concept, you attack the only true news network that tries to be fair and balanced. If it were not for Fox, the conservative voice would not be heard whatsoever. Of course, that would probably please you but you know this would be unfair. It is, however, very un-American to disallow the voice of a particular group; therefore, you and I are obliged to tolerate the voice of those with which we disagree, so says "we the people" of the Constitution.

Fox is the voice of the people and over half of America depends on Fox for their news. Fox reaches more of our citizens than all the other news networks combined. Why would you want to cut that voice off? If you don't like Fox. turn it off. You are also free to ask Americans to turn Fox off. To accomplish this, you will have to get the other networks to present a more balanced picture of the news. Until you manage some similarity of fairness in the news, the people will not listen to your criticisms.

What is happening to Egypt is what is happening to liberals in the USA. For this reason, the former president of Egypt turned off the internet and twitter in order to keep communication away from the people. Knowledge is a destructive power against oppressive politicians and that is still true in America. That is what talk radio and Fox has done to liberalism in America and that is the reason liberals hate Fox and talk radio.

did I forgot to mention that it is an Australian coorporation hell-bent on destroying America?
conservapedia?
i don't hate talk radio...i have no idea what every station expuses, sice i have better ways of getting info then by listening to one person's opinons.
liberalism is all about "truth"
not about "balanced to favor us"
i don't even hate Fox, i think they are in it for the money that comes from confusing the American people.
liberalism in America always wins, and has always won. Because AMERICA IS LIBERALISM...we have a constitution that stops conservative's attempts at destroying our country with their faulty and pitiful believes.

 

[Primordial Annihilator]

PS you can't win.

You have already lost

 

[Primordial Annihilator]

well, what we can be sure of, pitied Annihilator, is that your country is a very very tiny island. and that it is a has-been empire, barely worth its acreage.

8th largest island in the world actually

i wouldn't know much else about your whore of a country.

Thats to be expected...

Whore yes...this is accurate...this is why I wouldnt mind seeing Tony Blair's head impaled on Traitor's gate in London...like the good old days.

 

[Primordial Annihilator]

I have to say this. The chance that European nations will ever again follow your type of crap is as good as a snow ball staying cold in hell. People of the world have had with your type of foolishness. And foolish is what you deal in, nothing more or less.

There is no lie to the charges I and millions of others lay against the United States.
Your ignorance of the point here is remarkable.
The fact is Debunker necessity will dictate the course of the EU and if it is necessary to continue the path of creating a federal (centralised) european government then it will happen.
If you can't see the signs now then you are blind.

The more educated the world becomes the more it will reject the kind of hate you throw up. The recent revolts are going to prove what I say is true. The day of blaming the USA for every problem in the world is coming to an end as people like you demonstrate.

No it wont...the world will realise what a monster the US has become..there is no denying this Debunker...there is no worming out of it.
Is there anything in particular you would like to deny?
Or perhaps your definition of monster does not include warmongering ecological vandalism and racist oppresson to name but a few?

Eventually the competition of which you speak will bring Europeans, Russians, China closer together to Americans in friendship than people with your vision can anticipate. Most people are not cursed with an oppositional defiant disorder like you seem to have. Like GWB most people in the world believe that good will prevail against evil. It will be democracy's growth in the world that will become the world's best hope for peace. This is the only self fulfilling prophecy the world is willing to accept and Primordial Annihilator your type of world leadership is a dying breed. When your type are gone, the quality of life in the world will greatly improve.

Interesting theory....

I however believe oppositional defiant-ism is the fountain of liberty and basis of my religion.

I personally believe that there is a lot more going on in the world than you seem to realise...the reigns of power are no more in your president's hands than they are in your 'democratic' grip...your government is a puppet...like mine...your nation a tool.

I am blaming the tool more than the wielder...but I blame the tool for allowing itself to become the tool.

If there is going to be a one world government...then it must be run for the holistic benefit of all...not for the benefit of the apex of the economic pyramid.

You sound like you have good intent...so from me to you...good luck man...for the citizens of the USA you have my unconditional support, as I said it's your government and system I have issues with...not you..that would be illogical.

In fact in an ideal world I could see the US and EU stand to gain a lot from cementing a firm alliance with each other...with our common values beliefs and history...but alas...

 

[Primordial Annihilator]

PS
Mockery and rebellion is food and drink to me Debunker...love it!

 

[Primordial Annihilator]

You can be treated for an oppositional defiant disorder and it should not take two years either. The treatment is real good in creating an anti trolling illness. It is called following the rules of the forum

If we followed all the rules all of the time we would be machines...are you a machine Debunker?

 

[Reverend Rick]

What a scintillating original post. Can we amend it, to include the Fox logo?

I'm gone for a couple of years, and I come back to a thread like this. The more things change, the more they stay the same.

VOR! I missed you man!

I have not seen you since before the election.

 

[The Voice of Reason]

VOR! I missed you man!

I have not seen you since before the election.

Hello, Rick. How have you been? I trust things are going well in Berea?

That last election cycle was pretty tough on me. I'm guessing that you are still bathing in rose petals, drinking champagne and enjoying the outcome.

 

[Reverend Rick]

Hello, Rick. How have you been? I trust things are going well in Berea?

That last election cycle was pretty tough on me. I'm guessing that you are still bathing in rose petals, drinking champagne and enjoying the outcome.

Actually it looks like we are both batting 500.

 

[MissAlice]

Just why is this the case? They don't like the Consitution, the Bible, babies, pie in the sky, God, or old time religion. I say love it or leave it. Christians, it is time to stand up for the USA. (Please do not use sarcasium in your answers atheist & liberals as this is a serious thread.) Remember the question is why.

I don't want to sound like I'm generalizing all right wing religious conservatives, but I tend to hear this a lot from them. Anyone who is an atheist is a feminists, abortionist, commie, anti-american, blah blah blah. Gets very tiring. Furthermore the constitution was not founded on religion. The constitute makes it very clear that religion be separated from state . What I'm mad about is the fact that much of the constitution has been tampered with by faith driven politicians and those who have the elite attitude over the minority. It's sickening and unprogressive in my point of view. It is attitudes like this that are far from what Liberty and democracy mean.

 

[Debunker]

... and you immediately respond in kind. Well, that's good. At least we both know where we stand.

I think you misspelled the word "trolling". Fishing is considered a polite way to pass the time.

No, you aren't looking for a "golden mean". You are trolling, just as you admitted in the previous snippet.

I didn't post it because I think you need it. To be honest, I think you are pretty settled in your world view and are not looking for honest debate. Rather, I think you are looking to stir the pot, trying to provoke a bitterness in people - especially people that do not embrace your particular brand of political fervor for all things on the extreme right wing.

Tell me I'm wrong.

You are wrong. I do recant those seemingly harsh words to you. You are indeed welcome to post on any of my threads, This particular thread is very special to me because I am attempting to do what you point out as a serious fault in me. If you read my thesis statement to this thread and believe it hook, line and sinker you should think I was a radical right winger with no tolerance for other points of view. Wiser, more broad minded readers most likly recognizes the apparent satire I was using. Most common sense persons,IMO, simply ignored this thread after reading the thesis statement.

Before I spoke again, some 60 replies were recorded. The posters were very polarized and excoriated my thesis statement, which they should have. Posters did not stop at putting my thesis statement down but they attacked every conservative act and religious philosophy that they did not like. The hate for GWB that has driven the left for the last ten years came strongly to the front. My thesis statement should have been branded as stupid, because it was an example of right wing extremism. But many of the post were equally good examples of left wing extremism. The point I wanted to make is that extremism from the right or left is equally evil and not good for our country.

You are correct, I do have my mind made up but you are very wrong if you think I am pushing only conservative politics. I am pushing and promoting American idealism, which is a national philosophy that Liberals, Conservatives, Democrats, Republicans, Libertarians, etc. can all claim. But no American can lay claim to American idealism unless they come down on the side of "we the people."

The word arrogance is used quit freely on this forum to put down political opponents but by arrogance, what I mean is a politician who is unwilling to listen to the will of the people. The Republican Congress did this under GWB and we the people turned them out. The Democratic Congress did this very thing under Obama, and we the people turned them out.

You now know where I stand. [/B I invite you to stand with me.]I am trying to stir the "Melting Pot" and bitterness is not what I am looking for. I am looking for the return to American idealism where all Americans can feel welcome, where racial, political, and religious differences come second to American idealism.

 

[Debunker]

I don't recall you yourself started out any differently than what you now criticize so sharply, but f you are genuinely interested now in seeking common ground, I'm all for you, Debunker.

Thank you Sunstone. I am seeking common ground and I am working to improve my presentation to be more acceptable to everybody. Thank you for noticing my true intentions.

 

[angellous_evangellous]

I am pushing and promoting American idealism, which is a national philosophy that Liberals, Conservatives, Democrats, Republicans, Libertarians, etc. can all claim. But no American can lay claim to American idealism unless they come down on the side of "we the people."

Even pro-choice folks, homosexuals (GLBT), agnostics, and atheists?

Boy, you've changed your tune.

 

[tumbleweed41]

American Idealism has little to do with the foreign intervention and bully tactics used by Amercian politicians for the last fifty years.