Why do atheists/agnostics/liberals have an anti American attitude?

[Primordial Annihilator]

We have the Europeans with us. We have the NATO that has protected us since WWII and our trade is benificial to us both.

NATO is a cold war relic...it needs replacing...and to cease excluding Russia.

Europeans are giving up on their multi culture movement in favor of the model of American idealism. We will never agree to a world government but we will share our mutual way of life with you and we will be your friend.

We are not giving up on multiculturalism...the last time we did that millions of jews gypsies slavs and others died.
You will have no choice regarding a world government...eventually.
If you would share our way of life and be our friend then you would cease to embarass us and also you might like to sign some environmental legally binding initiatives and help us prevent ecological collapse?

The chances of there being another Nazi like government in Europe is about zero and as soon as the KGB influence dies of old age, Russia will come around to more reasonableness.

The KGB has a long pedigree stretching back to Peter the Great and his secret police.
So that's a difficult one to guess at.
Russia is reasonable yet Russia is proud...so you have to treat her with respect...I see an empty seat in the Union...Russia should take her place and then you americans can rest easy knowing the Bear is with us now.

Perhaps you might like to join one day?

Calling it the EU might be a little silly...if you guys join then we have to rename it the Northern Hemisphere Union...hmmm...lacks a certian snappyness.

NHU NHU...

Na...

 

[Debunker]

NATO is a cold war relic...it needs replacing...and to cease excluding Russia.



We are not giving up on multiculturalism...the last time we did that millions of jews gypsies slavs and others died.
You will have no choice regarding a world government...eventually.
If you would share our way of life and be our friend then you would cease to embarass us and also you might like to sign some environmental legally binding initiatives and help us prevent ecological collapse?




The KGB has a long pedigree stretching back to Peter the Great and his secret police.
So that's a difficult one to guess at.
Russia is reasonable yet Russia is proud...so you have to treat her with respect...I see an empty seat in the Union...Russia should take her place and then you americans can rest easy knowing the Bear is with us now.

Perhaps you might like to join one day?

Calling it the EU might be a little silly...if you guys join then we have to rename it the Northern Hemisphere Union...hmmm...lacks a certian snappyness.

NHU NHU...

Na...

The fact is, if the USA would drop out of the UN, there would be know UN. The USA pays an unfair amount of money to support the UN and the so called members of the world government are not willing to pay enough money to keep the UN afloat.

As far as air pollution, the rest of the world has miles to go to reach the standards of the USA. You guys are still developing and refuse to bring your standards into compliance to what you hypocritically ask of the USA.

You should focus on many other counties who do not support human rights to the standards of the USA. We have a Constitution that we follow. That is a major difference between us and other so called leaders of freedom who want the rest of the world to follow them. What county in the world would you want to follow that does more for the world than the USA does in terms of giving and leadership?

 

[Debunker]

That is very much a mixed bag, isn't it? I'm not even sure what your point about those countries would be.

I think you only pretend not to know. Why do you pretend not to know what good things your country has done?

 

[LuisDantas]

As far as air pollution, the rest of the world has miles to go to reach the standards of the USA. You guys are still developing and refuse to bring your standards into compliance to what you hypocritically ask of the USA.

There is something to this, unfortunately. On the other hand, the air pollution itself does not care about nationalities, and few countries have industrial production levels comparable to the USA's, so your responsibility is correspondingly greater than perhaps that of any other country.

You should focus on many other counties who do not support human rights to the standards of the USA. We have a Constitution that we follow. That is a major difference between us and other so called leaders of freedom who want the rest of the world to follow them. What country in the world would you want to follow that does more for the world than the USA does in terms of giving and leadership?

Do the pointless wars factor into this question? Because if so... Australia, Canada, the UK, Germany and France, out of the top of my head.

 

[LuisDantas]

I think you only pretend not to know. Why do you pretend not to know what good things your country has done?

I don't. I really don't know you you lump together countries with such varied situations and backgrounds. You ARE aware that those countries shouldn't be lumped together, right?

Also, it is not my country. I'm not a citizen of the USA, and in fact I only spent a couple of weeks in the USA back in 1985.

 

[Debunker]

Yeah... we don't give the world freedom. We protect our interests. Even Hannity will tell you that.

Of course we protect our interest. Is there a country in this world that does not protect there interest? Whose interest should we protect if not our own?

 

[LuisDantas]

Of course we protect our interest. Is there a country in this world that does not protect there interest? Whose interest should we protect if not our own?

In all honesty, all countries ought to consider the true priorities of the world and disregard matters of national interest proper. It is often political suicide to do so, but that only shows how counterproductive the concept of nation is.

 

[tumbleweed41]

Of course we protect our interest. Is there a country in this world that does not protect there interest? Whose interest should we protect if not our own?

Indeed.
An inherent problem with nationalism.

 

[Debunker]

Amen...

You and Civil S. alk as if there is another country or even many other countries in the world that does more to promote freedom than the USA; Until you can name these counties, I think you should lighte up on your criticism of the USA. As I said: Of course we protect our interest. Is there a country in this world that does not protect there interest? Whose interest should we protect if not our own?

 

[Debunker]

There is something to this, unfortunately. On the other hand, the air pollution itself does not care about nationalities, and few countries have industrial production levels comparable to the USA's, so your responsibility is correspondingly greater than perhaps that of any other country.

Do the pointless wars factor into this question? Because if so... Australia, Canada, the UK, Germany and France, out of the top of my head.

Most of the countries you list have supported the USA with money and troops in what you call pointless wars. so, the list of your countries do not make sense in this debate.

Yoyu sadly point out that there is something true in the fact that the USA is the leader in standards of none pollution but at the same time, you say this is unfortunate. Does this very statement speak with an anti-American attitude? It is not unfortunate that we are the leaders in this area, it is a good thing and the way it should be.

 

[waitasec]

Of course we protect our interest. Is there a country in this world that does not protect there interest? Whose interest should we protect if not our own?

there's a difference between protecting our interests and being criminal about it...manifest destiny, cuba (dealing with batista) and nicaragua (the so-called freedom fighters), for example.

one would have to ask, why do the conservative religious have a "the US can do no wrong" attitude?
is it because it's gods country?

why set the US aside from the rest of the world, as if it were anointed by god? the US has done wrong things and we should never sweep those things under the rug, if anything we should admit to them and learn from our mistakes.
you are mixing up anti americanism with admitting to our short comings.

so debunk, what wrongs has the US been a part of? can you at least admit the US is not perfect?

 

[Amill]

To me and many other Americans, you statement sounds very much like a political opponent of the USA. It sounds like something starlit out of Iran's propaganda machine. It sounds like the rhetoric of the terrorist. Please tell us something good about the USA so we will know you are a patriot.

The fact the Palestinians danced in streets on 9/11 may explain GWB's attitude towards the Palestinians. Love is a two way street. He did alienate the Muslim terrorist. What would you expect after 9/11? He invaded Iraq with almost 100% approval of the world. It is his idealism that is active in bring freedom to the Middle East and only the terrorist and cheap dictators disapprove. Where do you stand on these issues or need we ask?

Do you ever research anything or do you just make crap up?
Popular opinion in the United States on the invasion of Iraq - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

He was never even close to having 100% support from AMERICANS.

Opposition to the Iraq War - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

(i don't believe we invaded to free their people, but I'll speak hypothetically for a minute)
And his "idealism" has lead to hundreds of thousands of deaths... and left their country unstable for years to come. At what point can we say that forced "freedom" isn't worth the destruction it's implementation will cause?

 

[Debunker]

In all honesty, all countries ought to consider the true priorities of the world and disregard matters of national interest proper. It is often political suicide to do so, but that only shows how counterproductive the concept of nation is.

With all due respect, your ideas of anti nationalism makes no sense at this time in history. If the USA would denounce its national cohesiveness there are a great number of evil counties and oppressive philosophies that would raivsh us of our civil rights. This is so obvious that it is amazing that so many liberal, I assume that is what you are, maintain this negative attitude towards America. Again I ask, what time in history has any community, if not a country, has succeeded at creating the utopia community like you seek? On any level above a simple and small neighborhood, this has never been done.

You speak too often as if the world was full of loving compassionate people people but the fact is, that if we the people do not bind together under nationalism, the evil people of the world would allow us no freedoms whatever. Like GWB said, there is good and evil in this world. The wars the USA were not pointless and you would not have the freedom you now have had the USA not engaged in these so called pointless wars.

 

[Debunker]

Indeed.
An inherent problem with nationalism.

Your willingness to oppose nationalism does not contribute to world security. Until you can offer a better solution to protect our freedoms, what you say only contributes to the world's vulnerability to evil in this world. The more you speak against the USA, the more your ideas seem destructive to world security.

 

[Debunker]

I don't. I really don't know you you lump together countries with such varied situations and backgrounds. You ARE aware that those countries shouldn't be lumped together, right?

Also, it is not my country. I'm not a citizen of the USA, and in fact I only spent a couple of weeks in the USA back in 1985.

Even though your country is not the USA, do you not wish that your country had the record of supporting human rights that the USA has.? No matter what country you claim, I know it comes in second place to the USA in this area. What do you have to say about this fact?

 

[Debunker]

In all honesty, all countries ought to consider the true priorities of the world and disregard matters of national interest proper. It is often political suicide to do so, but that only shows how counterproductive the concept of nation is.

When your country assumes the leadership of the world in the march of freedom, we will gladly follow you in establishing world priorities.

 

[tumbleweed41]

Your willingness to oppose nationalism does not contribute to world security. Until you can offer a better solution to protect our freedoms, what you say only contributes to the world's vulnerability to evil in this world. The more you speak against the USA, the more your ideas seem destructive to world security.

So, anyone who speaks against Nationalism is Anti-American?
What about American Imperialism, if I oppose that am I Anti-American?
I am a Democratic Socialist, does that make me Anti-American?

Your attitude smacks of McCarthyism and his House Un-American Activities Committee.

 

[Debunker]

there's a difference between protecting our interests and being criminal about it...manifest destiny, cuba (dealing with batista) and nicaragua (the so-called freedom fighters), for example.

one would have to ask, why do the conservative religious have a "the US can do no wrong" attitude?
is it because it's gods country?

why set the US aside from the rest of the world, as if it were anointed by god? the US has done wrong things and we should never sweep those things under the rug, if anything we should admit to them and learn from our mistakes.
you are mixing up anti americanism with admitting to our short comings.

so debunk, what wrongs has the US been a part of? can you at least admit the US is not perfect?

sure we are not perfect> Now that this has been admitted, can you cite a more open and more anointed country in the world that has done more than the USA to support human rights? You have not done this. Do you really want an alternative to the USA? Just tell us what country would that be?

 

[waitasec]

Even though your country is not the USA, do you not wish that your country had the record of supporting human rights that the USA has.? No matter what country you claim, I know it comes in second place to the USA in this area. What do you have to say about this fact?

capitalistic interest trump human rights debunk...
lets talk about US business, NAFTA and sweat shops

 

[tumbleweed41]

Even though your country is not the USA, do you not wish that your country had the record of supporting human rights that the USA has.? ?

100 years of slavery?
199,000 casualties in Atomic attacks on civilian targets?

Don't be so enamored with Nationalism that you forget our sordid history.
Or is remembering our past Anti-American?