Why do atheists/agnostics/liberals have an anti American attitude?

[waitasec]

Is it not wonderful that you have to go back 100 years to find fault with the USA. Have you searched the history of other counties to see how they compare to the USA?

what a short and selective memory you have...

for starters nagasaki and hiroshima
mccarthy'ism during the cold War
600,000 civilians were killed in cambodia by US bombing between 1969 and 1975
40,000 civilians were killed by the US-backed National Guard in Nicaragua over the course of almost 50 years.
30,000 lives were killed by the US contras in Nicaragua from 1979 to 1989

United States war crimes - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[Debunker]

First off Obama's election is indeed symbolic for remarkable progress but doesn't mean America isnt racist. Besides Obama has been attacked not only on his heritage but his name. If you recall in '08 at John McCains function an old lady stood up and called Obama an Arab. Some black theorist say because Obama has a bi-racial background he has earned the trust of "white voters" thus making him a more liked target than let's say a "full black" candidate like a Jessie Jackson.

Melting pot? Sure we have melting pot but isn't it America complaining there are too many Mexicans in America (under the illegal immigration campaign). Also what about "white flight" and the decrease of property value?

All this talk about human race is nonsense by the way. Humans are a species and because America has been so indulged in race, and race relations it will always be a continual problem until the baby boomers die out and a new generation of.liberal thought comes in. I don't even want to start with white southern christians who continue to believe Obama is a muslim because his middle name is Hussein.

Obama faces the same type of criticism that all presidents have received? GWB has been criticized more harshly than any politician of modern tome but he has not said a word in his defense since he retired from office. GWB has to say nothing because he know that history will record the truth about him. You should know the same thing about your history. There will always be people who idslike black people but there will always be people who dislike white people. We must ignore these people and simply do what is right towards all of mankind. Can't you do this?

 

[Debunker]

what a short and selective memory you have...

for starters nagasaki and hiroshima
mccarthy'ism during the cold War
600,000 civilians were killed in cambodia by US bombing between 1969 and 1975
40,000 civilians were killed by the US-backed National Guard in Nicaragua over the course of almost 50 years.
30,000 lives were killed by the US contras in Nicaragua from 1979 to 1989

United States war crimes - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

I do question your facts and the situations of your facts. So did the rest of the free world. I also question you reasons for being against the USA on every issue. Do you not find any good in the USA? Do you think we should dissolve and disappear? What do you want?

 

[waitasec]

Obama faces the same type of criticism that all presidents have received? GWB has been criticized more harshly than any politician of modern tome but he has not said a word in his defense since he retired from office.

you didn't see him on oprah did you....
wait he has a book out doesn't he?

GWB has to say nothing because he know that history will record the truth about him.

he defended how he handled katrina by blaming the gov of louisiana...

You should know the same thing about your history. There will always be people who idslike black people but there will always be people who dislike white people. We must ignore these people and simply do what is right towards all of mankind. Can't you do this?

no. the question is, can you?

 

[waitasec]

I do question your facts and the situations of your facts. So did the rest of the free world. I also question you reasons for being against the USA on every issue. Do you not find any good in the USA? Do you think we should dissolve and disappear? What do you want?

no i'm not against the US pal.
it's that you are not willing to admit the US is fallible...
so i'm here to remind you, thats all. the US is not unique, it does not have a clean slate. and to suggest it's above all other nations is a dangerous notion. what is the difference between your stance and that of the nationalism in nazi germany.
tell me the difference...

 

[ninerbuff]

First off Obama's election is indeed symbolic for remarkable progress but doesn't mean America isnt racist. Besides Obama has been attacked not only on his heritage but his name. If you recall in '08 at John McCains function an old lady stood up and called Obama an Arab. Some black theorist say because Obama has a bi-racial background he has earned the trust of "white voters" thus making him a more liked target than let's say a "full black" candidate like a Jessie Jackson.

Melting pot? Sure we have melting pot but isn't it America complaining there are too many Mexicans in America (under the illegal immigration campaign). Also what about "white flight" and the decrease of property value?

All this talk about human race is nonsense by the way. Humans are a species and because America has been so indulged in race, and race relations it will always be a continual problem until the baby boomers die out and a new generation of.liberal thought comes in. I don't even want to start with white southern christians who continue to believe Obama is a muslim because his middle name is Hussein.

Well even attitudes of Caucasians just in the south (where the bible belt is strong) about African Americans is deplorable. I totally remember this from watching HBO's "Right America". Listen to what he has to say at :54
[youtube]VR050P3f0Zw[/youtube]
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VR050P3f0Zw&feature=related

Now of course this is everywhere in America, but my experiences when I was down there weren't very pleasant being an Asian.

 

[Vendetta]

Obama faces the same type of criticism that all presidents have received? GWB has been criticized more harshly than any politician of modern tome but he has not said a word in his defense since he retired from office. GWB has to say nothing because he know that history will record the truth about him. You should know the same thing about your history. There will always be people who idslike black people but there will always be people who dislike white people. We must ignore these people and simply do what is right towards all of mankind. Can't you do this?

I admire your optimism. With respect to GWB I believe he was the catalyst for many of the imagery problems we Americans face today. From two wars, to financial crisis at home we have exhausted our resources in war in lands where our image has been shaken. Obama has now inherited this problem and this problem will not go away and because the trickle effect of the last eight years of Bush legacy is upon us, we now are suffering from economic crisis. Was is there to be hopeful for when whole families homes are being forclosed, and unemployment is high?

With respect to what you said about ignoring racist people--it is easier said than done.

 

[Debunker]

no i'm not against the US pal.
it's that you are not willing to admit the US is fallible...
so i'm here to remind you, thats all. the US is not unique, it does not have a clean slate. and to suggest it's above all other nations is a dangerous notion. what is the difference between your stance and that of the nationalism in nazi germany.
tell me the difference...

There is no comparison between the USA and the Nazi government of Germany. If that is the way you think, you need a transfusion of real Americanism which you can gain at the library. What kind of nationalism would you respect if not American nationalism?

 

[Debunker]

Well even attitudes of Caucasians just in the south (where the bible belt is strong) about African Americans is deplorable. I totally remember this from watching HBO's "Right America". Listen to what he has to say at :54
[youtube]VR050P3f0Zw[/youtube]
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VR050P3f0Zw&feature=related

Now of course this is everywhere in America, but my experiences when I was down there weren't very pleasant being an Asian.

The country as a whole has moved past the arguments of race. There are pockets of resistance but the rest of the country has turned the corner. If you are uncomfortable, just walk around the corner, you will be fine.

 

[waitasec]

There is no comparison between the USA and the Nazi government of Germany.

of course there is...it's the nationalistic principle that you adhere to.
you don't want to learn from history do you?

the US has done many wrongs...
as well as rights...
you must put them all on the table, what is wrong with that?

 

[Debunker]

of course there is...it's the nationalistic principle that you adhere to.
you don't want to learn from history do you?

the US has done many wrongs...
as well as rights...
you must put them all on the table, what is wrong with that?

It is your turn to put historical facts on the table that do not depend on your alone interpretation. The end.

 

[Vendetta]

The country as a whole has moved past the arguments of race. There are pockets of resistance but the rest of the country has turned the corner. If you are uncomfortable, just walk around the corner, you will be fine.

If race isn't an issue why is it still on the census? The election of the first bi-racial president doesn't change the fact that some issues with race still exist. FFS how many times do I have to hear people asking where Obamas birth certificate is or what is his true religion since his middle name is Hussein?

 

[Debunker]

If race isn't an issue why is it still on the census? The election of the first bi-racial president doesn't change the fact that some issues with race still exist. FFS how many times do I have to hear people asking where Obamas birth certificate is or what is his true religion since his middle name is Hussein?

The only ones making an issue out of Obama's birth certificate,are liberals trying to blame the Republicans for creating the issue. Listen to anger at white men like GWB and you will realize that unfaire criticism of people will never end. What you do is practice your freedom and out live them. We know race will always have race issues but you best defense is to follow a great black man who said that he thought we should judge people by the content of their character. That is good enough for me and I say everybody should live that way and that includes you.

 

[McBell]

The only ones making an issue out of Obama's birth certificate,are liberals trying to blame the Republicans for creating the issue.

 

[Vendetta]

The only ones making an issue out of Obama's birth certificate,are liberals trying to blame the Republicans for creating the issue. Listen to anger at white men like GWB and you will realize that unfaire criticism of people will never end. What you do is practice your freedom and out live them. We know race will always have race issues but you best defense is to follow a great black man who said that he thought we should judge people by the content of their character. That is good enough for me and I say everybody should live that way and that includes you.

Liberals or Conservatives making an issue? By the way how do you what way I live and don't live? Majority of my friends come from multi-ethnic.and religious backgrounds. But it doesn't change the fact that I maintain racial consciousness. Not because I think everybody is racist but from my experiences growing up where I was discriminated against because of my skin pigmentation. Sure, I'd love to put on rosy sun glasses and sit at the camp fire singing Kumbaya while holding hands but its not gonna happen. Like others have said here we.need to focus on the good as well as the bad in America to understand and progress.

 

[ninerbuff]

The country as a whole has moved past the arguments of race. There are pockets of resistance but the rest of the country has turned the corner. If you are uncomfortable, just walk around the corner, you will be fine.

Lol, you must be white.

 

[ninerbuff]

So before we go on I think the OP needs to DEFINE what is an AMERICAN attitude?

 

[Vendetta]

lol, you must be white.

lawl!

 

[Debunker]

So before we go on I think the OP needs to DEFINE what is an AMERICAN attitude?

I refer to American idealism as written in the Constitution, the Declaration of Independence, major decisions of the Supreme Court, our positions offered in Congresses declarations of war, Our Pledge of Allergens, In God we trust on our money, Congress and the President's passed laws, all these which only make up ur respect for a government by the people. That should be plenty of data that defines American idealism, which is not a topic to be debate as a national issue but a philosophy that all citizens should support. Do you have a better definition of American idealism? We have been patiently waiting to hear it from your side.

 

[Debunker]

Liberals or Conservatives making an issue? By the way how do you what way I live and don't live? Majority of my friends come from multi-ethnic.and religious backgrounds. But it doesn't change the fact that I maintain racial consciousness. Not because I think everybody is racist but from my experiences growing up where I was discriminated against because of my skin pigmentation. Sure, I'd love to put on rosy sun glasses and sit at the camp fire singing Kumbaya while holding hands but its not gonna happen. Like others have said here we.need to focus on the good as well as the bad in America to understand and progress.

You do not present an argument against mebrother. I might be black, yellow, Spanish, local native, you don't know what you speak of. My ancestors did not come from white England but I refuse to make an issue of this fact. I am American enough to demand that you treat me by the character of my heart. Anything less is anti Americanism.