Why do bad things happen when God exists?

[Sonofason]

Maybe God did not create all that is bad. Maybe God is not omnipotent.

Or your definition of omnipotent is not quite right. It could be that omnipotent only means to have the power to do anything that is possible. Just because you can find a definition that defines the word to include the impossible doesn't necessarily mean that was the author's intention when he wrote the word in The Book.

 

[Sonofason]

Except most issues are from nature itself. Does god hate people?

Here is the top 10, (god, god , god, chance, god, god , god, god )is the reason for death.

• Heart disease.
• Cancer (malignant neoplasms)
• Chronic lower respiratory disease.
• Accidents (unintentional injuries)
• Stroke (cerebrovascular diseases)
• Alzheimer's disease.
• Diabetes (diabetes mellitus)
• Influenza and pneumonia.
• 
  
• https://www.google.com/#q=top+reasons+for+death

There is nothing wrong or bad about death. Death is natural. We all die. Everything dies. So why is it bad? There is nothing bad about disease. I thank God for disease and death. Just imagine the population on this earth if there were no disease and death.

 

[Sonofason]

That's rubbish! You take one verse and render it into evil.
I am a Muslim and you are trying to teach me my religion?
Do you want Islam to mean kill all unbelievers? Is that what you want? War and violence?
Which football team do you support? Shall we have a fight about that?
Pathetic!

Looks like another golden opportunity to reduce the world's population.

 

[ThePainefulTruth]

That's rubbish! You take one verse and render it into evil.
I am a Muslim and you are trying to teach me my religion?

I can read English, and it fits with what we're seeing--from the people who flew the planes on 9-11, to all the supporters, and the silent mob who think yea for our side--while saying publicly they think things were taken too far..

Do you want Islam to mean kill all unbelievers? Is that what you want? War and violence?

If necessary, yeah, that's what they want. But most "moderates" blindly want Sharia Law, having absolutely no idea what that would ultimately be like. It's a theocracy, which is up there with all the most brutal autocracies. Just look at ISIS. If onlyt Muslims would be so vociferously against that as they are against non-Muslims, Americans......and Jews.

What else could 9:29 mean? It only takes one vile, hateful passage like that, which leaves no doubt, for the Imams to point at with their rabble rousing exploitative hatred. Next thing you know, parents are strapping bomb vests on their children.

 

[uncung]

I don't agree with that. We may not be able to do anything individually about catastrophes, but collectively we can. 'Climate change' is one example where collective behaviour has an influence on so called 'natural disasters'

Are Typhoon, Katrina and Earthquake related to our collective behavior? My notion: we can do nothing, is regarding to the bad things that God constantly creates. Of can do some little prevention but it still doesn't prevent God to creates catastrophes.

 

[uncung]

God, if It exists, doesn't create bad, or evil. God created us with free will to choose between good and evil. It's the sole purpose for creating the universe. If God were to interact in the slightest way, it would negate that free will. But our lives, against the backdrop of eternity, are but a blink. I'm sure those who pass the test would feel any suffering was a small price to pay to demonstrate to God and themselves, that they were worthy. And those who don't pass it can opt for oblivion and avoid the eternal suffering through exile of their corrupt souls.

Then who created the bad things?

 

[uncung]

God can't intervene, or it's the end of free will--it's that simple. And collective would have nothing to do with it This life is a test to see what we do with the gift of free will. Free will is exercised individually, not collectively. If only one person passes the test, then only one person passes.

Who told you God can, God can't? Did He ever tell you so? where? when? Did you meat Him? Where? When?

 

[uncung]

I can read English, and it fits with what we're seeing--from the people who flew the planes on 9-11, to all the supporters, and the silent mob who think yea for our side--while saying publicly they think things were taken too far..



If necessary, yeah, that's what they want. But most "moderates" blindly want Sharia Law, having absolutely no idea what that would ultimately be like. It's a theocracy, which is up there with all the most brutal autocracies. Just look at ISIS. If onlyt Muslims would be so vociferously against that as they are against non-Muslims, Americans......and Jews.

What else could 9:29 mean? It only takes one vile, hateful passage like that, which leaves no doubt, for the Imams to point at with their rabble rousing exploitative hatred. Next thing you know, parents are strapping bomb vests on their children.

I heard 911 was an inside job.

 

[ThePainefulTruth]

Then who created the bad things?

God, if It exists in the first place, created the natural world to spawn sentient creatures with free will, free from It's influence, and the lack of evidence to discern whether God exists or not. We as individuals create evil, and bad things naturally happen in a natural universe.

Who told you God can, God can't? Did He ever tell you so? where? when? Did you meat Him? Where? When?

It's a reasonably follows from the above, and the total lack of evidence, other than hearsay, for any supernatural occurrences, ever--at least since the Big Bang.

I heard 911 was an inside job.

Yeah, and I heard God parted the Red Sea. Neither fits the evidence. And there was a whole lot of celebrating going on by Muslims, some waiting there in the area for it to happen. And strange that Ben Laden would take credit for an inside job. It would have been better for him to pass on taking the credit, and exploit how corrupt the West is, turning on itself like that and falsely blaming poor little him. And you're just another Muslim who believes in 9:29--unless you'd care to denounce those particular words from the "Prophet"? How can I "render it evil" when I'm only relating what those words are? Were those words put there by the Devil?

 

[uncung]

God, if It exists in the first place, created the natural world to spawn sentient creatures with free will, free from It's influence, and the lack of evidence to discern whether God exists or not. We as individuals create evil, and bad things naturally happen in a natural universe.



It's a reasonably follows from the above, and the total lack of evidence, other than hearsay, for any supernatural occurrences, ever--at least since the Big Bang.



Yeah, and I heard God parted the Red Sea. Neither fits the evidence. And there was a whole lot of celebrating going on by Muslims, some waiting there in the area for it to happen. And strange that Ben Laden would take credit for an inside job. It would have been better for him to pass on taking the credit, and exploit how corrupt the West is, turning on itself like that and falsely blaming poor little him. And you're just another Muslim who believes in 9:29--unless you'd care to denounce those particular words from the "Prophet"? How can I "render it evil" when I'm only relating what those words are? Were those words put there by the Devil?

Where does the free will take place in earthquake case?
Parting the red sea was the prophet miracle. with or without evidence. none able to disprove it either.
911 was an inside job. disprove it.
What is the problem of Quran 9:29?

 

[ThePainefulTruth]

What is the problem of Quran 9:29?

Nothing at all.......for Muslims looking for justification to impose Sharia Law theocracies on non-Muslims.

 

[uncung]

Nothing at all.......for Muslims looking for justification to impose Sharia Law theocracies on non-Muslims.

Good.

 

[The_Fisher_King]

Or your definition of omnipotent is not quite right. It could be that omnipotent only means to have the power to do anything that is possible. Just because you can find a definition that defines the word to include the impossible doesn't necessarily mean that was the author's intention when he wrote the word in The Book.

Or we just have different definitions of what omnipotent means.

Do you think God has the power to prevent all bad things from happening?

And which book are you referring to here?

 

[muhammad_isa]

I can read English, and it fits with what we're seeing--from the people who flew the planes on 9-11, to all the supporters, and the silent mob who think yea for our side--while saying publicly they think things were taken too far..

In a war scenario, yes..
But Almighty God prefers peace to war.
Most of those you mention were not even performing their salat (ritual prayers)
Muslims by name, but not by deeds

If necessary, yeah, that's what they want.

The 'they' being terrorist groups?
Just because they are Muslims, you should not 'tar' us all with the same brush. We live in varying societies worldwide and the vast majority prefer peace.

But most "moderates" blindly want Sharia Law, having absolutely no idea what that would ultimately be like.

Any devout Muslim is in favour of sharia law. Not by force .. through democratic consensus.
What would it be like? It would be interpreted according to who was running the courts, just as in secular countries.

What else could 9:29 mean?
...

If you take the chapter as a whole, you will see that it refers to a war situation.
Remember, Almighty God does not like those who begin hostility, regardless of their religion

 

[McBell]

But one sin makes you a sinner. Judge not less you be judged by the same law with which you judge others. Judgement Day won't be pretty for judges.

One wonders if you are prepared for yours....
I strongly suspect you are in for a rather nasty surprise come judgement day if your posts are an accurate depiction of what you believe.

 

[McBell]

Or your definition of omnipotent is not quite right. It could be that omnipotent only means to have the power to do anything that is possible. Just because you can find a definition that defines the word to include the impossible doesn't necessarily mean that was the author's intention when he wrote the word in The Book.

Which author used the word "omnipotent"?

 

[muhammad_isa]

Are Typhoon, Katrina and Earthquake related to our collective behavior?

I would say so, yes.

There is a hadith that states that catastrophies will become more frequent as qiyamat (the last days) approach. Almighty God does not wrong us .. we wrong ourselves.

Take starvation, when some parts of the world are becoming more obese .. take earthquakes, while we are sucking more & more oil from the ground etc.

 

[McBell]

I would say so, yes.

There is a hadith that states that catastrophies will become more frequent as qiyamat (the last days) approach. Almighty God does not wrong us .. we wrong ourselves.

Take starvation, when some parts of the world are becoming more obese .. take earthquakes, while we are sucking more & more oil from the ground etc.

Are the last days arrival based upon our behaviour?
If so, why do you think it so.
If not, then you did not answer the question.

 

[McBell]

If there is God and He is good, then why does “bad” exist? What is the reason for God to create all that is bad? Why couldn’t God create a world that has only bliss and happiness? Why has God made suffering? Why has God made problems? Why has God made poverty? Why do we suffer? Why do we fall sick? Why has God made death? If God is such a good God and if He is the creator of the universe, then why has He created this whole concept of suffering? Why has He let people become terrorists? Why has He let people create pain? And this is not just about people. Look at the animal world. Why has He created it in such a way that the tiger kills the deer, the cat eats the mouse, and the dog chases the cat? Why has God made the world like this?

We can go on asking questions as to why God has created the world like this, but the question that we need to ask ourselves is that should we question this way? Should we question His authority – Why He has done this? What He has done? Do we know better about what He has done, or does the Creator know better about what He has done? So from our limited intelligence and viewpoints, is it right to comment on or question and be judgmental about what God has created and why God has created so?

Why are we questioning what God has done? Why do we doubt God’s intentions? Why do we question God’s plan for our life? Why do we question what God has created on Earth? Should we not spend time pondering upon these rather than questioning what God has done? This is the question I ask myself today.

AiR

Seems to me things happen.
Some people label the things that happen.
Some people claim that the things that have happened that they have labeled "good" are because of something else they label "god"

 

[ThePainefulTruth]

Good.

So, the good news is, I'm right.
And the bad news is, I'm right.
People, no matter how well indoctrinated, can only lie to themselves for so long.