Why do bad things happen when God exists?

[uncung]

More or less, yes.
However, let's take the case of somebody who has a road accident .. why do we try to determine who is responsible if it is "just an accident" ?

But I never mentioned road accident. road accident is related to our free will.it is not we talk about. I am talking about natural disasters. God create them, and they have nothing to do with free will at all.

 

[Sonofason]

I can see you're a "glass half full" kind of person, aren't you? Tell a parent who's child was just killed by someone, "they aren't bad, good is just absent. Bad and evil don't exist"

I have no business talking to parents who's child was just killed. I could not tell them what I know they want to hear.

 

[Sabour]

If there is God and He is good, then why does “bad” exist? What is the reason for God to create all that is bad? Why couldn’t God create a world that has only bliss and happiness? Why has God made suffering? Why has God made problems? Why has God made poverty? Why do we suffer? Why do we fall sick? Why has God made death? If God is such a good God and if He is the creator of the universe, then why has He created this whole concept of suffering? Why has He let people become terrorists? Why has He let people create pain? And this is not just about people. Look at the animal world. Why has He created it in such a way that the tiger kills the deer, the cat eats the mouse, and the dog chases the cat? Why has God made the world like this?

We can go on asking questions as to why God has created the world like this, but the question that we need to ask ourselves is that should we question this way? Should we question His authority – Why He has done this? What He has done? Do we know better about what He has done, or does the Creator know better about what He has done? So from our limited intelligence and viewpoints, is it right to comment on or question and be judgmental about what God has created and why God has created so?

Why are we questioning what God has done? Why do we doubt God’s intentions? Why do we question God’s plan for our life? Why do we question what God has created on Earth? Should we not spend time pondering upon these rather than questioning what God has done? This is the question I ask myself today.

AiR

Do you believe in heaven and hell?
Those who believe and do good deeds will go to heaven.
Patience when there is suffering will be rewarded.
Patience through sickness will be rewarded.
God created a "world" of only happiness. It is paradise. Death is just a stage we pass through.

 

[Sonofason]

Really?

Gal 3:13 (ESVST) 13 Christ redeemed us from the curse of the law by becoming a curse for us — for it is written, " Cursed is everyone who is hanged on a tree"

Do you know what the curse of the law is?

How did Jesus feel about disease?

Mat 4:23 (ESVST) 23 And he went throughout all Galilee, teaching in their synagogues and proclaiming the gospel of the kingdom and healing every disease and every affliction among the people.

Mat 8:16-17 (ESVST) 16 That evening they brought to him many who were oppressed by demons, and he cast out the spirits with a word and healed all who were sick. 17 This was to fulfill what was spoken by the prophet Isaiah: "He took our illnesses and bore our diseases."

Jesus took "our" sickness and bore "our" disease in His body, and you're thanking God for disease? Sickness and disease are the curse of the law, which Jesus redeemed us from, and you thank God for disease?

And your signature is, "Following Christ"?

Jesus saved only a handful of people while he was on this earth, not the entire world. He was doing good in small isolated instances. He has not removed death and sickness for everyone. If he wanted to he would. He doesn't want to. And why should he?

 

[Sonofason]

We obviously differ on the Bible being inspired by God, but thank you for the clarification.

Okay, so you don't believe anything at all is 'bad'?

Like darkness, bad is just a concept. Certainly, I can step out of the light and into the darkness, because I can step into a place that is absent of light. So too can we do things which lack anything that is good. If we lack God, we are evil.

 

[djhwoodwerks]

Jesus saved only a handful of people while he was on this earth, not the entire world. He was doing good in small isolated instances. He has not removed death and sickness for everyone. If he wanted to he would. He doesn't want to. And why should he?

If you don't already know what the curse of the law is, you can read about it in Deuteronomy chapter 28. But here is some of that curse,

Deu 28:15 (ESVST) 15 "But if you will not obey the voice of the Lord your God or be careful to do all his commandments and his statutes that I command you today, then all these curses shall come upon you and overtake you.

Deu 28:22 (ESVST) 22 The Lord will strike you with wasting disease and with fever, inflammation and fiery heat, and with drought and with blight and with mildew.

Deu 28:27 (ESVST) 27 The Lord will strike you with the boils of Egypt, and with tumors and scabs and itch, of which you cannot be healed.

Deu 28:28 (ESVST) 28 The Lord will strike you with madness and blindness and confusion of mind,

Deu 28:35 (ESVST) 35 The Lord will strike you on the knees and on the legs with grievous boils of which you cannot be healed, from the sole of your foot to the crown of your head.


And what does it say about the curse of the law in the NT?

Gal 3:13 (ESVST) 13 Christ redeemed us from the curse of the law by becoming a curse for us — for it is written, " Cursed is everyone who is hanged on a tree"

And what did Jesus do with "our" sickness and disease?

Mat 8:16-17 (ESVST) 16 That evening they brought to him many who were oppressed by demons, and he cast out the spirits with a word and healed all who were sick. 17 This was to fulfill what was spoken by the prophet Isaiah: " He took our illnesses and bore our diseases."

You're view is borderline blasphemy against God.

Act 16:30-31 (ESVST) 30 Then he brought them out and said, " Sirs, what must I do to be saved?" 31 And they said, "Believe in the Lord Jesus, and you will be saved, you and your household."

Look up that word "saved" and see what it means. It is "Sōzō" find out what it means.

 

[Sonofason]

If you don't already know what the curse of the law is, you can read about it in Deuteronomy chapter 28. But here is some of that curse,

Deu 28:15 (ESVST) 15 "But if you will not obey the voice of the Lord your God or be careful to do all his commandments and his statutes that I command you today, then all these curses shall come upon you and overtake you.

Deu 28:22 (ESVST) 22 The Lord will strike you with wasting disease and with fever, inflammation and fiery heat, and with drought and with blight and with mildew.

Deu 28:27 (ESVST) 27 The Lord will strike you with the boils of Egypt, and with tumors and scabs and itch, of which you cannot be healed.

Deu 28:28 (ESVST) 28 The Lord will strike you with madness and blindness and confusion of mind,

Deu 28:35 (ESVST) 35 The Lord will strike you on the knees and on the legs with grievous boils of which you cannot be healed, from the sole of your foot to the crown of your head.


And what does it say about the curse of the law in the NT?

Gal 3:13 (ESVST) 13 Christ redeemed us from the curse of the law by becoming a curse for us — for it is written, " Cursed is everyone who is hanged on a tree"

And what did Jesus do with "our" sickness and disease?

Mat 8:16-17 (ESVST) 16 That evening they brought to him many who were oppressed by demons, and he cast out the spirits with a word and healed all who were sick. 17 This was to fulfill what was spoken by the prophet Isaiah: " He took our illnesses and bore our diseases."

You're view is borderline blasphemy against God.

Act 16:30-31 (ESVST) 30 Then he brought them out and said, " Sirs, what must I do to be saved?" 31 And they said, "Believe in the Lord Jesus, and you will be saved, you and your household."

Look up that word "saved" and see what it means. It is "Sōzō" find out what it means.

My wife just found out she has cancer...Christ has not and is not bearing her disease. Many people die today of sickness and disease. God has not removed their sicknesses. And for most, he will not remove their disease.

 

[Hockeycowboy]

My wife just found out she has cancer...Christ has not and is not bearing her disease. Many people die today of sickness and disease. God has not removed their sicknesses. And for most, he will not remove their disease.

I'm so sorry for both of you! You have my best wishes, that she will overcome this. Many do now, thanks to modern medicine!

You're right: good people go through hard times every day. Although it wasn't originally intended to be, This life is tough.
But we'll all get another chance, and for most, it will be when the Resurrection occurs! (John 5:28-29; Acts of the Apostles 24:15).

Everyone who's died - billions - are just "sleeping" , RIP'ing, if you will (Genesis 47:30; Ecclesiastes 9:5; John 11:11-14; Acts of the Apostles 7:60).

Here's a comforting Scripture: Revelation 21:3-4. Notice, it says "mankind"! This is actually a fulfillment to the Lord's Prayer. Matthew 6:9-10

With Christian love.
Take care....of yourself, and her!

 

[ThePainefulTruth]

then who create the bad things if not God?

Natural bad or good things just happen. God let's things happen because It has too, to maintain our free will. If it intervened, to cause good or prevent harm, that would reveal It's existence. And if God actually caused a harmful "natural" catastrophe (the Flood, Sodom etc.), that would be outright evil.

 

[ThePainefulTruth]

My wife just found out she has cancer...Christ has not and is not bearing her disease. Many people die today of sickness and disease. God has not removed their sicknesses. And for most, he will not remove their disease.

God must not intervene, even for the most innocent child. And as I've said, each such incident is a monument to God's commitment to our free will. It's hard for us to take, that's part of the suffering we must endure to be tested, but from the vantage point of eternity, this will be but a blink. I lost my wife a few years ago, and the grief turned me into a basket case. But my pain would have been doubled if I'd been continually asking, Why? Why her? Why me? Why now??? That's a significant blessing of being a deist. The grief passes gradually, but then you feel guilty for that as the memory begins to fade as well.

 

[uncung]

Natural bad or good things just happen. God let's things happen because It has too, to maintain our free will. If it intervened, to cause good or prevent harm, that would reveal It's existence. And if God actually caused a harmful "natural" catastrophe (the Flood, Sodom etc.), that would be outright evil.

yes at least God creates those bad things regardless the evilness of God. And it is our fee will to avoid or to prevent it.

 

[djhwoodwerks]

My wife just found out she has cancer...Christ has not and is not bearing her disease. Many people die today of sickness and disease. God has not removed their sicknesses. And for most, he will not remove their disease.

I am very sorry you two have gotten that news, I know how devastating it is. I lost my mom in '85 to brain cancer and my girlfriend just lost her dad last year to stomach cancer.

 

[djhwoodwerks]

Like darkness, bad is just a concept. Certainly, I can step out of the light and into the darkness, because I can step into a place that is absent of light. So too can we do things which lack anything that is good. If we lack God, we are evil.

Darkness is just a concept? It's not real, just an idea?

Gen 1:2 (ESVST) 2 The earth was without form and void, and darkness was over the face of the deep.

Gen 1:3-5 (ESVST) 3 And God said, "Let there be light," and there was light. 4 And God saw that the light was good. And God separated the light from the darkness. 5 God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. And there was evening and there was morning, the first day.

God had to create a light to dispel the darkness, darkness already existed.

How can you say, "bad is just a concept" and then say, "If we lack God, we "ARE" evil"? Shouldn't that be, "If we lack God, we "think" we are evil"?

 

[muhammad_isa]

But I never mentioned road accident. road accident is related to our free will.it is not we talk about. I am talking about natural disasters. God create them, and they have nothing to do with free will at all.

I give up..
Oh well .. one final try
What about 'climate change' .. is God responsible for that 'natural disaster' ?

 

[The_Fisher_King]

Like darkness, bad is just a concept. Certainly, I can step out of the light and into the darkness, because I can step into a place that is absent of light. So too can we do things which lack anything that is good. If we lack God, we are evil.

So lacking God is a 'bad thing'?

 

[The_Fisher_King]

My wife just found out she has cancer...Christ has not and is not bearing her disease. Many people die today of sickness and disease. God has not removed their sicknesses. And for most, he will not remove their disease.

I am sorry to hear that you and your wife have received this news. May God grant you patience and strength.

Is God capable of removing sickness and disease, in your opinion?

 

[uncung]

I give up..
Oh well .. one final try
What about 'climate change' .. is God responsible for that 'natural disaster' ?

I don't take into account who the one would responsible, it is not what we talk about, I said God creates natural disasters. that's it. Perhaps climate change also is contributed by human being, but natural disaster such as earthquake, volcano, etc has nothing to do with humane activities.

 

[muhammad_isa]

..
Perhaps climate change also is contributed by human being, but natural disaster such as earthquake, volcano, etc has nothing to do with humane activities.

There is increasing opinion that they do!
Our activities on this planet affects a whole number of things. Our present activities in this 'oil age' is highly significant to the balance of nature, including deforestation
ie. nature as in 'natural disaster'

It's like a rolling ball, one thing affects another and so on. That's not to say that the human element is the only one, of course

 

[Unfathomable Tao]

Ah yes, the old Epicurean paradox. Is God willing to prevent evil but unable? Etc.

 

[uncung]

There is increasing opinion that they do!
Our activities on this planet affects a whole number of things. Our present activities in this 'oil age' is highly significant to the balance of nature, including deforestation
ie. nature as in 'natural disaster'

It's like a rolling ball, one thing affects another and so on. That's not to say that the human element is the only one, of course

Can you elaborate the scientific relation between humane activities and Vulcanic eruption for instance?