Why do bad things happen when God exists?

[ThePainefulTruth]

In a war scenario, yes..
But Almighty God prefers peace to war.
Most of those you mention were not even performing their salat (ritual prayers)
Muslims by name, but not by deeds

They had to keep up appearances and not raise suspicions.
The Koran justifies lies deception in a "holy" cause.

The 'they' being terrorist groups?
Just because they are Muslims, you should not 'tar' us all with the same brush. We live in varying societies worldwide and the vast majority prefer peace.

Of course, but then there's that nasty, relentless 9:29,

Any devout Muslim is in favour of sharia law. Not by force .. through democratic consensus.
What would it be like? It would be interpreted according to who was running the courts, just as in secular countries.

By whatever means necessary. And above all, individual human rights to do whatever doesn't violate the rights of others, includes them not being trampled on by a minority. Should we stone people for breaking the sabbath? Or for saying Mohammad was a false prophet? Like most Christians, most Muslims don't know their own religion. They put too much faith in the "holy" leaders, who then manipulate them to do unspeakable things.

If you take the chapter as a whole, you will see that it refers to a war situation.
Remember, Almighty God does not like those who begin hostility, regardless of their religion

Violent Jihad in conquest for Allah was is called for. You can always come up with a cause to justify your Jihad, like "the West is evil" or whatever. And besides, after the war is won, "willing" submission (a flat out contradiction) and the Jizya is still required after the war is "over".

 

[muhammad_isa]

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You can always come up with a cause to justify your Jihad, like "the West is evil" or whatever. And besides, after the war is won, "willing" submission (a flat out contradiction) and the Jizya is still required after the war is "over".

Perhaps it's because you are agnostic that you forget that Almighty God knows what is in our hearts. If we are treacherous, then God knows it. Muslims do not have an automatic 'ticket' to paradise. Lies and deception lead away from paradise.

The prophet Muhammad is reported to have said that you will see a group of Muslims and assume they are people of paradise but before they die they will become negligent and enter hell. You will also see a group of disbelievers and assume they are people of hell-fire, but befor they die they will become Muslims and enter paradise.

So you see, your assumptions are far too conclusive. Nobody knows except God who will succeed after death.

 

[Sonofason]

Or we just have different definitions of what omnipotent means.

Do you think God has the power to prevent all bad things from happening?

And which book are you referring to here?

There is only one book inspired by God and it is the Bible.
Well, objectively speaking, I don't believe there are such things as bad things. The idea of bad is purely subjective. There is nothing wrong with death and disease. Its just a matter of perspective. I don't think God cares one iota if someone dies of a stroke, or gets run over by a train, or is buried in a mudslide. These are not bad things.

 

[Sonofason]

Which author used the word "omnipotent"?

Great point Mestemia. To my knowledge, it wasn't used by any author of the Bible. But words are used by authors of the Bible that are synonymous to some of today's definitions of the word omnipotent.

Matthew 19:26 - But Jesus beheld [them], and said unto them, With men this is impossible; but with God all things are possible.

Luke 1:37 - For with God nothing shall be impossible.

Jeremiah 32:27 - Behold, I [am] the LORD, the God of all flesh: is there any thing too hard for me?
https://www.kingjamesbibleonline.org/Bible-Verses-About-Omnipotence/

 

[djhwoodwerks]

Personally, I believe bad, or evil is just a concept, not something that actually exists. Sure we can speak of it, but there really is no such thing. It's not there. It doesn't exist. We often create words simply to represent a lack or absence of something. For example, we have the word darkness. It doesn't really exist. Darkness is not something that does exist. It is a word that represents a state where there is a lack or absence of something, namely light. Light exists. Darkness is simply the lack or absence of light. It is not something. It is nothing. And nothing does not exist.

I can see you're a "glass half full" kind of person, aren't you? Tell a parent who's child was just killed by someone, "they aren't bad, good is just absent. Bad and evil don't exist"

 

[djhwoodwerks]

There is nothing wrong or bad about death. Death is natural. We all die. Everything dies. So why is it bad? There is nothing bad about disease. I thank God for disease and death. Just imagine the population on this earth if there were no disease and death.

Really?

Gal 3:13 (ESVST) 13 Christ redeemed us from the curse of the law by becoming a curse for us — for it is written, " Cursed is everyone who is hanged on a tree"

Do you know what the curse of the law is?

How did Jesus feel about disease?

Mat 4:23 (ESVST) 23 And he went throughout all Galilee, teaching in their synagogues and proclaiming the gospel of the kingdom and healing every disease and every affliction among the people.

Mat 8:16-17 (ESVST) 16 That evening they brought to him many who were oppressed by demons, and he cast out the spirits with a word and healed all who were sick. 17 This was to fulfill what was spoken by the prophet Isaiah: "He took our illnesses and bore our diseases."

Jesus took "our" sickness and bore "our" disease in His body, and you're thanking God for disease? Sickness and disease are the curse of the law, which Jesus redeemed us from, and you thank God for disease?

And your signature is, "Following Christ"?

 

[uncung]

I would say so, yes.

There is a hadith that states that catastrophies will become more frequent as qiyamat (the last days) approach. Almighty God does not wrong us .. we wrong ourselves.

Take starvation, when some parts of the world are becoming more obese .. take earthquakes, while we are sucking more & more oil from the ground etc.

actually there are many bad things that constantly occur around, and they do not have to do with our free will. i do not blame God, i merely tell you that the bad things are created by our God.

 

[muhammad_isa]

actually there are many bad things that constantly occur around, and they do not have to do with our free will.
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Such as?

 

[uncung]

Such as?

• a chronic, painful illness, terminal cancer, incurable disease and will need a transplant or we will die.
• disability.
• tornado or natural disaster by earthquakes, flooding, volcanic eruption, landslide, hurricanes etc.

 

[ThePainefulTruth]

Perhaps it's because you are agnostic that you forget that Almighty God knows what is in our hearts.

I freely admit that even under my deism, that if that God exists (that caveat being the agnostic aspect of my belief), I'm sure that an omnipotent/omnipresent God would know what we were thinking. In fact when I switched to deism, the first thing I gave up was prayer, primarily because I figured it would be superfluous, since It would know what we're thinking.

If we are treacherous, then God knows it. Muslims do not have an automatic 'ticket' to paradise. Lies and deception lead away from paradise.

But they're taught that paradise awaits those who kill the infidels. In fact, using current events, the wife of the Orlando shooter wouldn't have been able to divorce the a$$hole under Sharia Law just because he beat her.

The prophet Muhammad is reported to have said that you will see a group of Muslims and assume they are people of paradise but before they die they will become negligent and enter hell. You will also see a group of disbelievers and assume they are people of hell-fire, but befor they die they will become Muslims and enter paradise.

It's amazing how many religions are the only way to heaven, according to those religions.

So you see, your assumptions are far too conclusive. Nobody knows except God who will succeed after death.

Hell, I don't even know if there is a Hereafter, so what am I assuming.

 

[ThePainefulTruth]

• a chronic, painful illness, terminal cancer, incurable disease and will need a transplant or we will die.
• disability.
• tornado or natural disaster by earthquakes, flooding, volcanic eruption, landslide, hurricanes etc.

Yes but they aren't evil. Evil is strictly the result of human will.

 

[muhammad_isa]

• a chronic, painful illness, terminal cancer, incurable disease and will need a transplant or we will die.
• disability.
• tornado or natural disaster by earthquakes, flooding, volcanic eruption, landslide, hurricanes etc.

Did you not read my previous post about mankind's endeavours affecting the world?
When you say 'natural disaster', you assume that it happens for no reason or 'God did it' ?
I don't think so. There is a lot of people on this planet and what we are doing affects th air quality which can cause disability etc. We also have accidents in planes and fast trains etc.
No .. most of the bad stuff that happens is from ourselves .. not necessarily individually, but very often collectively

 

[muhammad_isa]

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they're taught that paradise awaits those who kill the infidels..

That only applies in a war scenario, as I have already said..

You are very negative .. that doesn't help .. it only encourages argument & violence.
Taking verses out of context without knowledge is not truth .. it's warped

 

[uncung]

Did you not read my previous post about mankind's endeavours affecting the world?
When you say 'natural disaster', you assume that it happens for no reason or 'God did it' ?
I don't think so. There is a lot of people on this planet and what we are doing affects th air quality which can cause disability etc. We also have accidents in planes and fast trains etc.
No .. most of the bad stuff that happens is from ourselves .. not necessarily individually, but very often collectively

do you mean natural disasters and cancers occur due to of human error?

 

[viole]

So you are sinless and so are your faithful followers? Wow, you must be a god.

When you get sinless you can jump up on your soapbox and I will hear you. Until then you are nothing more than a resounding cymbal or a raven's cry.

Is a human embryo sinful? If yes, what sins did it committ? If no, is it a God?

Ciao

- viole

 

[uncung]

Yes but they aren't evil. Evil is strictly the result of human will.

i said bad things instead of evil things. God created the bad things. who do you thing create natural disasters?

 

[muhammad_isa]

do you mean natural disasters and cancers occur due to of human error?

More or less, yes.
However, let's take the case of somebody who has a road accident .. why do we try to determine who is responsible if it is "just an accident" ?

 

[The_Fisher_King]

There is only one book inspired by God and it is the Bible.
Well, objectively speaking, I don't believe there are such things as bad things. The idea of bad is purely subjective. There is nothing wrong with death and disease. Its just a matter of perspective. I don't think God cares one iota if someone dies of a stroke, or gets run over by a train, or is buried in a mudslide. These are not bad things.

We obviously differ on the Bible being inspired by God, but thank you for the clarification.

Okay, so you don't believe anything at all is 'bad'?

 

[ThePainefulTruth]

That only applies in a war scenario, as I have already said..

You are very negative .. that doesn't help .. it only encourages argument & violence.
Taking verses out of context without knowledge is not truth .. it's warped

You don't know that Jihad means war on the unbelievers.....yet I'M the ignorant one?

i said bad things instead of evil things. God created the bad things. who do you thing create natural disasters?

God, if It exists, created the natural universe as a stage on which we may exercise our moral free will. God didn't will things so that nature would harm us, God just set it on random at the Big Bang, so It didn't foreordain any given disasters. It's removed from It's control.

 

[uncung]

You don't know that Jihad means war on the unbelievers.....yet I'M the ignorant one?



God, if It exists, created the natural universe as a stage on which we may exercise our moral free will. God didn't will things so that nature would harm us, God just set it on random at the Big Bang, so It didn't foreordain any given disasters. It's removed from It's control.

then who create the bad things if not God?