Why Do Christians Feel The Need To Bother People?

[metis]

Not really. In our understanding, there is spiritual as well as natural reasons for marriage between a man and a woman

Since we are basically "hairless apes", marriage may well have developed in order to reduce the conflict like we see with your chimp cousins.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Please explain how Micah 5:2 is "in the present tense" as you wrote, that one SHALL be born in Bethlehem who is eternal.

Thanks!

But Jesus was probably not born in Bethlehem. He was historically known as Jesus of Nazareth at a time when people usually did not travel more than thirty miles from their place of birth. Luke's myth is fatally flawed and the one in Matthew is not much better. The both appear to be just myths. They are not evidence.

 

[Subduction Zone]

..and I've got it..
..but naturally you will deny it, if you wish to stay on the path that you are on.

There are consequences for everything.
The rise and fall of civilisations can be proved by studying our history.

If you think that present day civilisation is immune, then you are in for one big shock !

I will deny it only if you fail to come up with proper evidence. Ad hoc explanations are worthless when it comes to science or history.

 

[muhammad_isa]

I will deny it only if you fail to come up with proper evidence.

Yeah .. proper evidence.
I spoon-feed you .. and you spit it out.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Yeah .. proper evidence.
I spoon-feed you .. and you spit it out.

No, you do not even appear to know what evidence is. But that is typical among theists. To have evidence you first need a working hypothesis. If the hypothesis cannot be refuted by evidence then it is not a hypothesis, it is just an ad hoc explanation. Looking for things that sort of look like that might go along with your beliefs are not examples of evidence.

 

[muhammad_isa]

No, you do not even appear to know what evidence is. But that is typical among theists. To have evidence you first need a working hypothesis..

I've heard it all before..
You want "to see God", or you won't believe.
Please yourself .. God allows that.

 

[Subduction Zone]

I've heard it all before..
You want "to see God", or you won't believe.
Please yourself .. God allows that.

I don't need to see him. I just need sufficient evidence and you appear to have nothing. You do not even know what counts as evidence or why.

 

[muhammad_isa]

You do not even know what counts as evidence or why.

I am amused.
English is my mother tongue.

evidence - Cambridge dictionary

 

[Subduction Zone]

I am amused.
English is my mother tongue.

evidence - Cambridge dictionary

That does not mean that you understand the concept. You have repeatedly demonstrated that you do not.

Let's try again, you need a coherent argument to have evidence. Evidence has to have the ability to cut both ways.

 

[BilliardsBall]

But Jesus was probably not born in Bethlehem. He was historically known as Jesus of Nazareth at a time when people usually did not travel more than thirty miles from their place of birth. Luke's myth is fatally flawed and the one in Matthew is not much better. The both appear to be just myths. They are not evidence.

The entire NT contains prophecies, including ones demonstrably fulfilled by Israel since 1948--available to us in media and even living memory.

Jesus was an itinerant teacher or "rabbi" and traveled with disciples. Obvious throughout all four gospels and the text.

 

[Subduction Zone]

The entire NT contains prophecies, including ones demonstrably fulfilled by Israel since 1948--available to us in media and even living memory.

Jesus was an itinerant teacher or "rabbi" and traveled with disciples. Obvious throughout all four gospels and the text.

Does it? Or are you just fitting verses to events after the fact? It appears to me that it is the latter.

 

[BilliardsBall]

Does it? Or are you just fitting verses to events after the fact? It appears to me that it is the latter.

You should, of course, check in on the verses rather than assuming--the Bereans were said to be noble in the NT because they fact-checked Paul's sermons in this way.

" . . . the Jewish people would retain their identity and their language for thousands of years before receiving their land in a single day, surrounded by enemies who would attack continually until Christ's return--but never defeat or displace them--some of the DOZENS of prophecies Israel has fulfilled since 1948!"

It's all there for you as soon as you actually confer with the texts.

 

[Muffled]

I believe we bother people for two reasons: 1. Jesus commanded it 2. The Holy Spirit gives us love for people.

 

[Muffled]

It is Christian-like to respect other people's free will.
I think that's what a Christian should do.

I believe respect comes the old fashioned way: It is earned.

 

[Muffled]

Well, there is a common belief that if one does not “warn” others, then they are culpable for that soul going to Hell. Some sects take that to mean that if one does not go out and “preach the good word” their soul will end up in Hell for not warning their fellow man, when they had access to the “Truth TM.”
This can manifest in many ways and unfortunately one of those is indeed heckling and abusing others.
Which imo is not very Christ like, but whatever

And yes #notallchristians, obviously.
Most Christians I know are very “live and let live.”
Finding such abusive tactics to be abhorrent.
But I agree that it’s a problem

I believe it is more like live and let die which is a very selfish motivation.

 

[SomeRandom]

I believe it is more like live and let die which is a very selfish motivation.

I can respect that. I understand that Christians in general believe that by not warning others of sin or indeed not telling others of the salvation through Christ, they are in effect allowing others to suffer in hell as a direct result
To be clear the Christians I’m referring to do in fact preach “the good word” to others. It’s just that they’re more “nonchalant” about it. Indeed since my mother is a universalist, she wholly accepts Jesus into her religious beliefs. Which seemingly is enough for her friends. Though they have in the past preached to her, with her kind of having to remind them to stop being condescending. All in all they have managed to find a common understanding and can live peacefully together. But yeah even my mother’s friends have had to be reminded to mind their own business from time to time. And to be honest, that can be annoying to the rest of us. Just saying

 

[Subduction Zone]

You should, of course, check in on the verses rather than assuming--the Bereans were said to be noble in the NT because they fact-checked Paul's sermons in this way.

" . . . the Jewish people would retain their identity and their language for thousands of years before receiving their land in a single day, surrounded by enemies who would attack continually until Christ's return--but never defeat or displace them--some of the DOZENS of prophecies Israel has fulfilled since 1948!"

It's all there for you as soon as you actually confer with the texts.

What are you talking about? I did not assume.

 

[BilliardsBall]

What are you talking about? I did not assume.

You said something like "I assume you've misread the scriptures" and since I frequently enjoy them, I suggested you read the scriptures since they foretell some indisputable facts including:

" . . . the Jewish people would retain their identity and their language for thousands of years before receiving their land in a single day, surrounded by enemies who would attack continually until Christ's return--but never defeat or displace them--some of the DOZENS of prophecies Israel has fulfilled since 1948!"

 

[Subduction Zone]

You said something like "I assume you've misread the scriptures" and since I frequently enjoy them, I suggested you read the scriptures since they foretell some indisputable facts including:

" . . . the Jewish people would retain their identity and their language for thousands of years before receiving their land in a single day, surrounded by enemies who would attack continually until Christ's return--but never defeat or displace them--some of the DOZENS of prophecies Israel has fulfilled since 1948!"

The problem is that they did not receive their land in "a single day" A single day was only when a treaty was signed. They had been working at that seriously since the late 1800's early 1900's. So that is a failed prophecy.

 

[BilliardsBall]

The problem is that they did not receive their land in "a single day" A single day was only when a treaty was signed. They had been working at that seriously since the late 1800's early 1900's. So that is a failed prophecy.

Not a problem and it happened TWICE or as God says in the Bible "I'll do it a second time". The first time he took a nation of people out of an existing nation--the Exodus!

And yes, we both already knew--I'm Jewish as you'll recall--that Zionists were keen since the 1800's--but the Holocaust moved things forward greatly--arguably the Shoah itself was predicted by MOSES thousands of years earlier (!)--and then the United Nations voted to make Israel officially Israel. May 13, 1948 it wasn't, May 14, 1948 it WAS and because it truly WAS that day, the Arab nations and terrorist organizations immediately invaded, ALL per prophecy. THAT's why they invaded!

They received international recognition of their land, and therefore titular and treaty rights were legally enforced, in a DAY. You have the (dubious, if I may so respectfully) distinction of being the first believer or skeptic ever to question this fact of prophecy.

And since you are an ardent skeptic, I've no desire to defend 60 or so prophecies one at a time that Israel has fulfilled--verifiable via printed and film media--since 1948 AD--but as the Bible says, at least we know enough via conscience and other knowledge that there is no excuse for rejecting God's salvation.