Why Do Christians Feel The Need To Bother People?

[Subduction Zone]

Not really. In our understanding, there is spiritual as well as natural reasons for marriage between a man and a woman

What are your "natural" reasons?

 

[Brian2]

It says he drove them out with a whip. That means he used it.

Yes but it does not say that He hit or hurt anyone.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Yes but it does not say that He hit or hurt anyone.

It does not say that he didn't either.

 

[IndigoChild5559]

Yes but it does not say that He hit or hurt anyone.

Sorry but that's what driving out means.

 

[Kenny]

What are your "natural" reasons?

Health

 

[Subduction Zone]

Health

Nope, that is refuted by reality. And the "health" reasons that you might site are largely due to the immoral opposition to gay people by the religious. For example it is incredibly hypocritical to complain about gay promiscuity and to oppose marriage equality.

Once more you appear to have nothing.

 

[Brian2]

What are your "natural" reasons?

The natural reasons probably include that the genitals of male and female fit together quite well for reproductive purposes and children are usually the result and marriage between male and female is a legal contract for the benefit of the children and as well as the man and woman involved.

 

[Brian2]

Sorry but that's what driving out means.

No it doesn't.

 

[Subduction Zone]

The natural reasons probably include that the genitals of male and female fit together quite well for reproductive purposes and children are usually the result and marriage between male and female is a legal contract for the benefit of the children and as well as the man and woman involved.

That fails too since thee are other places that genitals fit nicely together. Also you are referring to a very old civilization. We have advanced beyond that now. You still have no valid reason to oppose marriage equality.

 

[Brian2]

That fails too since thee are other places that genitals fit nicely together. Also you are referring to a very old civilization. We have advanced beyond that now. You still have no valid reason to oppose marriage equality.

Well that was legitimate natural reasons for marriage between a man and woman initially and over history.
Gays want equality and so that should not be stopped imo

 

[Subduction Zone]

Well that was legitimate natural reasons for marriage between a man and woman initially and over history.
Gays want equality and so that should not be stopped imo

Okay. I was responding to someone that opposed marriage equality.

By the way, I am old or at least older and was brought up in a rather anti-homosexual if not outright homophobic society so I used to oppose Gay marriage. It was not until I realized that Christians were wrong about homosexuals since the regularly complained about Gay promiscuity. The number one way to end promiscuity is with a long term meaningful relationship, such as marriage. I realized that it was very hypocritical to complain about promiscuity and to oppose the one institution that could limit it.

 

[IndigoChild5559]

No it doesn't.

Yes, it does. Driving out means you are USING the whip.

 

[muhammad_isa]

..Also you are referring to a very old civilization. We have advanced beyond that now..

..except that the so-called advancement is destroying us..

You can pretend that mankind can be a success by following his own path, but it doesn't wash .. western civilisation is like an "old cheese" .. it has come full-circle .. it is now in self-destruct mode and turning away from Biblical values.

Furthermore, most so-called third-world countries are following them into the abyss.

 

[Subduction Zone]

..except that the so-called advancement is destroying us..

You can pretend that mankind can be a success by following his own path, but it doesn't wash .. western civilisation is like an "old cheese" .. it has come full-circle .. it is now in self-destruct mode and turning away from Biblical values.

We have heard that song and dance since Christianity began. You need something more substantial than that.

 

[muhammad_isa]

You need something more substantial than that.

..and I've got it..
..but naturally you will deny it, if you wish to stay on the path that you are on.

There are consequences for everything.
The rise and fall of civilisations can be proved by studying our history.

If you think that present day civilisation is immune, then you are in for one big shock !

 

[BilliardsBall]

I'm not stating an absolute, I'm stating facts. More tricky words and meanings you are using here, typical of theists trying to massage a misleading conclusion.

I have been debating religion since 1996 and thus far I have seen nothing definitive in religious arguments. Other critics point out flaws in these arguments. Every one has a fatal flaw of assuming a supernatural exists, and can't show any evidence. The arguments are flawed because they use language to force a God into existence. This is just playing with words and meanings in a creative way. It is not a presentation of facts and a coherent explanation of the facts.


Your beliefs are not conclusive, plus they are selective. Jews survived and traveled the world and settled everywhere over the millennia. How could they all be hunted down and killed? The Nazis did their best, but there were too many Jews all over the world. So how is it magic that they survived? If there was divine magic Hitler would never have survived the trenches of France in 1916. He survived two close calls. He survived 44 assassination attempts. If you want to interpret anything it looks like God was protecting Hitler. Do you add that to your calculations? Of course you don't, it's confusing and suggests the world has no divine guidance.

It's because these prophesies are vague and questionable. Even the Jews disagree with you about Jesus. Ouch. But you want to use them as an example of how Christians are correct?

The actual events of history are interpreted in a way that make the Bible seem like it made predictions. This is all (and I mean all because there are no examples of direct and unambiguous predictions) quite liberal and generous interpretations of the Bible, and applied to real world events. Look how many times the Rapture has been predicted. Absurd.

I'd like to offer you another chance to address what I wrote:

. . . the Jewish people would retain their identity and their language for thousands of years before receiving their land in a single day, surrounded by enemies who would attack continually until Christ's return--but never defeat or displace them--some of the DOZENS of prophecies Israel has fulfilled since 1948!"

Can you refute anything I've stated here in my quote? Did not the Jewish people retain their racial and cultural identity through 2,500 years of diaspora? Aren't they still, 70 years on, surrounded by enemies who attack but cannot displace them?

 

[BilliardsBall]

Read the whole thing. Do not cherry pick., It is not about Jesus. It is in the present tense. It describes someone who did things that Jesus did not accomplish.;

Please explain how Micah 5:2 is "in the present tense" as you wrote, that one SHALL be born in Bethlehem who is eternal.

Thanks!

 

[Brian2]

Okay. I was responding to someone that opposed marriage equality.

By the way, I am old or at least older and was brought up in a rather anti-homosexual if not outright homophobic society so I used to oppose Gay marriage. It was not until I realized that Christians were wrong about homosexuals since the regularly complained about Gay promiscuity. The number one way to end promiscuity is with a long term meaningful relationship, such as marriage. I realized that it was very hypocritical to complain about promiscuity and to oppose the one institution that could limit it.

I did have problems with why gays wanted to have an institution called marriage as opposed to a different name but the same legal status as marriage but that did not stop me voting yes in the plebiscite we had in Australia to decide the issue.
Now homosexuality has been made normal in society and is to be accepted, even in a pro active way.

 

[Brian2]

Yes, it does. Driving out means you are USING the whip.

Yes I imagine Jesus used the whip that He made.

 

[Jayhawker Soule]

I did have problems with why gays wanted to have an institution called marriage as opposed to a different name but the same legal status as marriage but that did not stop me voting yes in the plebiscite we had in Australia to decide the issue.

Kudos!