Why Do Christians Feel The Need To Bother People?

[Subduction Zone]

Not only do I remember when Elvis died, I'm very good friends with Elvis Presley, Jr. and we've worked on projects together. I have some interesting hobbies.

Here's the problem, denial, if I may. You wrote "There probably was a person that the myths are based upon." Before talking about the myths, how about you acknowledge what nearly universally, scholars acknowledge. There WAS a person the myths were based on.

I cannot talk to you about metaphysical things when you deny elementary facts!

Go back and read my entire post. Did you get mad because your poor argument could be refuted by a "So what?"

 

[Brian2]

That's how Christianity has become one of the most prominent religions in the world. They've been forcing it on others for centuries.

Not me.
BTW would you like to hear about a friend of mine, Jesus of Nazareth, who wants to be your friend also?

 

[QuestioningMind]

Not me.
BTW would you like to hear about a friend of mine, Jesus of Nazareth, who wants to be your friend also?

How nice... unfortunately there have been far too many Christians throughout history who believed it was their duty to either convert everyone to their religion or exterminate them. So I'm glad to hear that you've evolved beyond that. Just wish that were the case for all Christians.

 

[Kelly of the Phoenix]

What I meant by anti Christian laws is laws which promote morality which is opposed to Christian morality.

If Christian morality causes harm it should be against the law.

 

[Ashoka]

Not me.
BTW would you like to hear about a friend of mine, Jesus of Nazareth, who wants to be your friend also?

 

[Sgt. Pepper]

Not me.
BTW would you like to hear about a friend of mine, Jesus of Nazareth, who wants to be your friend also?

Why do you feel the need to proselytize and impose your Christian beliefs on @QuestioningMind? And yes, asking them whether they would be interested in hearing about Jesus is considered proselytizing. Attempting to convert someone is against rule 8 of this site.

 

[Brian2]

If Christian morality causes harm it should be against the law.

Yes I suppose. I would say that it is not the Christian morality which causes harm but a refusal to follow Christian morality which leads people to say that the Christian morality is causing harm.
Either way, it turns people against Christian morality, and I guess it is usually in the name of freedom in those areas where Christian morality causes problems for non Christians.

 

[Brian2]

 

[Sgt. Pepper]

If only Christians would imitate Jesus' moral views for all humanity.

One reason so many are leaving Christianity is because too many Christians don't act in a way that Jesus taught. We hear Chris taught.

That's one of the reasons why I left Christianity after being a Christian for thirty years. The way I was treated by other conservative Christians definitely contributed to my decision to disavow my faith and disassociate myself from the Christian church. As far as I'm concerned, Christians can either be a blessing or a curse. They can draw people closer to God or they can be a stumbling block and push people further away from God. The majority of Christians I've encountered over the years have unfortunately been the latter.

"I like your Christ, I do not like your Christians. Your Christians are so unlike your Christ." - Mahatma Gandhi

"The greatest single cause of atheism in the world today is Christians: who acknowledge Jesus with their lips, walk out the door, and deny Him by their lifestyle. That is what an unbelieving world simply finds unbelievable.” - Brennan Manning

 

[Bree]

Whether it's at an LGBT event, a Pagan festival, or something as innocuous as a comic-con....street preachers abound. Christians harass women and other people who can have babies at clinics all the time.

This is just me asking you. Why do you guys feel the need to bother us so much? Can't you just leave us alone? Whatever happened to free will? Most of us grew up Christian, we know the Bible, we know about the "risks" we are taking. We non-Christians just want to live. Yes, technically in America it's protected under free speech. But can't you take a hint? We don't care. We want to live our lives.

Leave us alone.

(and yes, I know #notallchristians but it's enough of y'all for it to be a problem. Maybe you should address the issue at hand.)

as a christian i agree with you. There doesnt need to be protesting and picket lines at abortion clinics or gay parades or yelling abusive slogans in the streets. That is not what God would want us to do at all.

Christians should just stay away from such places all together.

But as a JW, we will come to a person individually and converse in a friendly open manner. We are focused on helping people understand Gods Word so our bible education work is purely for those who want to learn. We do knock on everyones door because we take the offer of a free home bible study to everyone without discrimination. And if the answer is no, then thats fine we are happy to move onto the next home. We respect your right to choose.

 

[BilliardsBall]

Go back and read my entire post. Did you get mad because your poor argument could be refuted by a "So what?"

No. I wasn't mad.

You are simply (again) skirting the fact--almost universally, scholars from all stripes and disciples acknowledge Jesus as an historical person.

 

[Kelly of the Phoenix]

That is not what God would want us to do at all.

And Jesus had a whip.

 

[F1fan]

No. I wasn't mad.

You are simply (again) skirting the fact--almost universally, scholars from all stripes and disciples acknowledge Jesus as an historical person.

Well from my own study of this there is a set of possibilities. One that there was never a Jesus, two, that there were a number of people the Jesus story was based on, three that there was a mortal that was the model for the Jesus story, and four that Jesus was the person described in the stories, including the supernatural bits. The last one is implausible since it includes supernatural elements and there is no evidence this is real or true. Also the whole Jesus myth is absurd and overly complex. And let's not ignore how the Jesus myth is similar to existing older myths in Egyptian and pagan lore.

What is most likely? That there was a person who got in trouble teaching ideas that were contrary to local leaders and he was arrested, perhaps executed. And the embellishment began.

Similar with the Noah myth. It was likely copied from Gilgamesh, and that legend was likely based on an actual local flood and an amazing story of some people escaping on a raft. This was then embellished as well, because we humans love our fantastic tales.

 

[Subduction Zone]

No. I wasn't mad.

You are simply (again) skirting the fact--almost universally, scholars from all stripes and disciples acknowledge Jesus as an historical person.

No, i am not. That he was probably a real.person is still just a "So what?" argument. Buddha was probably a real person. Mohammed was a real person. So what?

 

[Brian2]

And Jesus had a whip.

Jesus made a whip.
Jesus was not at a Gay pride rally or abortion clinic, He was at the Temple of God His Father and it had been allowed to become a den of thieves.
Jesus was doing the job that the Jewish priests etc should have done.
Notice it does not say that Jesus whipped anyone.

 

[muhammad_isa]

But as a JW, we will come to a person individually and converse in a friendly open manner. We are focused on helping people understand Gods Word so our bible education work is purely for those who want to learn. We do knock on everyones door because we take the offer of a free home bible study to everyone without discrimination. And if the answer is no, then thats fine we are happy to move onto the next home. We respect your right to choose.

That's it.
It is a sign of faith.
Nobody has a true faith unless they wish for their "neighbour" what they wish for themselves.
..and of course, most people wish good for themselves.

 

[Bree]

And Jesus had a whip.

i've got a whip too....its for my horse.

 

[Bree]

That's it.
It is a sign of faith.
Nobody has a true faith unless they wish for their "neighbour" what they wish for themselves.
..and of course, most people wish good for themselves.

that was one of Jesus well known teachings from the 'Sermon on the Mount'

'Do to others what you want others to do to you'

This principle is what should guide all people. If you want someone to do something nice for you, you should first to it to them.

 

[Aupmanyav]

This principle is what should guide all people. If you want someone to do something nice for you, you should first to it to them.

That is very nice, but why should that be done if the person does not want it?

 

[Bree]

That is very nice, but why should that be done if the person does not want it?

To do so is to imitate Gods goodness. Everybody wants to be treated with love and respect no matter who they are. You can always do good to others always, even if they don't want it, and by doing so, you will be pleasing to God.

Jesus said:
Matthew 5:45 so that you may prove yourselves sons of your Father who is in the heavens,+ since he makes his sun rise on both the wicked and the good and makes it rain on both the righteous and the unrighteous He makes his rain fall and his sun shine upon even the least deserving ones.