Why Do Christians Feel The Need To Bother People?

[9-10ths_Penguin]

Not really... and it also depends on what one defines as anti-Christian.

Certainly the redefining of marriage can be considered as anti-Christian. The current attempt to change the rules of Title-IX is anti-Christian and anti-parent. One could develop a list though you might not see it as such.

How could same-sex marriage laws be considered "anti-Christian"?

You're still free to practice as you see fit and celebrate marriage as you see fit. The only difference is that people who don't believe as you do are now similarly free.

Is your religion really opposed to the freedom of others?

Also: are you really opposed to the religious freedom of Christian denominations that celebrate same-sex marriage? From where I sit, the anti-Christian is you.

(Though I'm sure you'll tell us why you think those denominations "aren't Christian" or don't deserve freedom of religion)

 

[Kenny]

How could same-sex marriage laws be considered "anti-Christian"?

You're still free to practice as you see fit and celebrate marriage as you see fit. The only difference is that people who don't believe as you do are now similarly free.

Is your religion really opposed to the freedom of others?

Also: are you really opposed to the religious freedom of Christian denominations that celebrate same-sex marriage? From where I sit, the anti-Christian is you.

(Though I'm sure you'll tell us why you think those denominations "aren't Christian" or don't deserve freedom of religion)

Actually, I believe you are free to believe that same-sex unions is a marriage and live it out.

It became anti-Christian when it is taught to our children it is a marriage. likewise, if I were to teach your children that gay marriage is wrong... you would say it is "anti-homosexuality".

 

[Brian2]

That is very nice, but why should that be done if the person does not want it?

We humans love ourselves in the sense that we take care of ourselves and we would want others to take care of us if we needed to be taken care of.
Jesus was teaching that we should also do to others, love others, as we would want them to do to, love us.
Love our neighbour as we love ourselves.

 

[Subduction Zone]

i've got a whip too....its for my horse.

I just heard a sigh of relief from your husband

 

[Brian2]

How could same-sex marriage laws be considered "anti-Christian"?

You're still free to practice as you see fit and celebrate marriage as you see fit. The only difference is that people who don't believe as you do are now similarly free.

Is your religion really opposed to the freedom of others?

Also: are you really opposed to the religious freedom of Christian denominations that celebrate same-sex marriage? From where I sit, the anti-Christian is you.

(Though I'm sure you'll tell us why you think those denominations "aren't Christian" or don't deserve freedom of religion)

God has given humans freedom to go against His teachings if that is what we want to do.
I don't think Christians should be forcing others to follow God's teachings.
But of course there are many of God's teachings where we probably agree that they should be kept and those those who break them should be punished.

 

[BilliardsBall]

Well from my own study of this there is a set of possibilities. One that there was never a Jesus, two, that there were a number of people the Jesus story was based on, three that there was a mortal that was the model for the Jesus story, and four that Jesus was the person described in the stories, including the supernatural bits. The last one is implausible since it includes supernatural elements and there is no evidence this is real or true. Also the whole Jesus myth is absurd and overly complex. And let's not ignore how the Jesus myth is similar to existing older myths in Egyptian and pagan lore.

What is most likely? That there was a person who got in trouble teaching ideas that were contrary to local leaders and he was arrested, perhaps executed. And the embellishment began.

Similar with the Noah myth. It was likely copied from Gilgamesh, and that legend was likely based on an actual local flood and an amazing story of some people escaping on a raft. This was then embellished as well, because we humans love our fantastic tales.

There is outstanding evidence for the Bible--Israel has fulfilled dozens of highly improbable prophecies since 1948 AD, verifiable in media since then. The fulfilled prophecies and the love of Jesus Christ are evident--modern people have no excuse IMHO for rejecting Jesus Christ as God and Savior, again per the Bible's plain teachings.

We can use similar tools to verify the Noah myth as actual fact.

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

Actually, I believe you are free to believe that same-sex unions is a marriage and live it out.

It became anti-Christian when it is taught to our children it is a marriage.

But it is a marriage, legally. Reality is "anti-Christian"?

likewise, if I were to teach your children that gay marriage is wrong... you would say it is "anti-homosexuality".

I'd say a bit more than that, but your "likewise" doesn't follow.

 

[F1fan]

There is outstanding evidence for the Bible--Israel has fulfilled dozens of highly improbable prophecies since 1948 AD, verifiable in media since then. The fulfilled prophecies and the love of Jesus Christ are evident--modern people have no excuse IMHO for rejecting Jesus Christ as God and Savior, again per the Bible's plain teachings.

We can use similar tools to verify the Noah myth as actual fact.

None of this is true. Reciting your religious beliefs is not adequate as a claim and argument.

Trying to argue that the Bible fulfills any prophesies is a huge stretch of generous interpretations, and all quite dubious.

And the Noah myth? There is no sound argument to suggest it happened. The facts from any science you care to name demonstrates the Noah flood never happened. No geological evidence of any global flood. Engineering shows there is no way a wood boat could be built to the size as claimed in the story. We see no genetic bottleneck in any animals dating back to this supposed flood. And we know humans often believe in all sorts of untrue and implausible things due to social influence.

 

[Aupmanyav]

We humans love ourselves in the sense that we take care of ourselves and we would want others to take care of us if we needed to be taken care of.

Even if they don't want, don't believe. That is not fair. It is unnecessary interference in someone else's affairs. You are not entitled to it, whatever you claim your God to have said about it. Who are you to judge their need?

 

[F1fan]

Actually, I believe you are free to believe that same-sex unions is a marriage and live it out.

And that a secular and free nation allows these marriages and honors them with legal benefits. Only in a far right Christian or Muslim state do we see love and the freedom of legal union threatened. This isn't an actual God coming forth claiming this, it is far right bigots using God as window dressing to impose their bad faith onto all people on a free nation. And these far right religious people aren' doing it for love, they are doing it for their religious identity and cruelty.

It became anti-Christian when it is taught to our children it is a marriage.

So teaching children to love others, and that we live in a secular state that allows freedom, is anti-Christian in your view? What sort of Christianity is anti-freedom, anti-love, anti-tolerance, anti-teaching?

likewise, if I were to teach your children that gay marriage is wrong... you would say it is "anti-homosexuality".

That is essentially what you are implying by wanting children to not hear about what is real and true about many citizens around them that happen to be gay, and married. You're saying gay marriage isn't marriage when the law says it is. What are you afraid of by informing children the truth about gays and marriage and the law?

 

[F1fan]

God has given humans freedom to go against His teachings if that is what we want to do.

We don't have any actual God coming forth and saying this, only fallible mortals, like yourself, claiming this without evidence.

I don't think Christians should be forcing others to follow God's teachings.

Moderate and liberal Christians are usually pretty tolerant of others and their diverse beliefs. It is only conservative Christians that have problems with the freedoms of others. Look at your subtle bullying. You write posts as if you speak for God, but you can't show any God actually exists, nor that if it did that it agrees with you. That is quite arrogant.

To my mind if Christians really believed in their vengeful God they would bend over backwards being careful what they say. Right wing Christians are often sloppy and careless about how they speak of their version of God and it implies they aren't afraid, and don't really believe it exists.

But of course there are many of God's teachings where we probably agree that they should be kept and those those who break them should be punished.

Funny how often Christians disagree but never think they are wrong in their interpretation. Someone is wrong, but it's never admitted. You guys ought to stop and think about what you believe.

 

[Kenny]

But it is a marriage, legally. Reality is "anti-Christian"?



I'd say a bit more than that, but your "likewise" doesn't follow.

Only in the figment our your rationalization.

Interesting how it isn't one way but is in the other way. Like unjust weights of measurements.

 

[Kenny]

And that a secular and free nation allows these marriages and honors them with legal benefits

Except this isn't a secular nation.

So teaching children to love others, and that we live in a secular state that allows freedom, is anti-Christian in your view? What sort of Christianity is anti-freedom, anti-love, anti-tolerance, anti-teaching?

Do you always change the subject?

That is essentially what you are implying by wanting children to not hear about what is real and true about many citizens around them that happen to be gay, and married. You're saying gay marriage isn't marriage when the law says it is. What are you afraid of by informing children the truth about gays and marriage and the law?

The law can say "if you stand in a garage, you are a car"... but it wouldn't make it true.

 

[metis]

Except this isn't a secular nation.

According to the Constitution's 1st Amendment, we very much are.

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

Only in the figment our your rationalization.

I'm not sure what that was meant to respond to.

Interesting how it isn't one way but is in the other way. Like unjust weights of measurements.

Are you high or something? Think for a minute. You think that this:

- telling kids that same-sex marriage is legal and that they may encounter legally married same-sex couples

Is equivalent to this:

- telling people that homosexuality is wrong

Really?

Again: you're advocating a sort of Christianity that's opposed to reality.

If you find the existence of legally married same-sex couples offensive, this is nobody's problem but your own.

 

[F1fan]

Except this isn't a secular nation.

Oh I thought you were American.

Do you always change the subject?

I asked you two questions about what you stated and you deflect with this inaccurate question? Sounds like you are afraid to explain your beliefs beyond just stating them.

The law can say "if you stand in a garage, you are a car"... but it wouldn't make it true.

The law does no such thing. More deflection.

 

[Kenny]

According to the Constitution's 1st Amendment, we very much are.

First Amendment


Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.

Sounds very religious to me

 

[Kenny]

I'm not sure what that was meant to respond to.


Are you high or something? Think for a minute. You think that this:

- telling kids that same-sex marriage is legal and that they may encounter legally married same-sex couples

Is equivalent to this:

- telling people that homosexuality is wrong

Really?

Again: you're advocating a sort of Christianity that's opposed to reality.

If you find the existence of legally married same-sex couples offensive, this is nobody's problem but your own.

I love creativity in translation.

Apparently reality, of what is expressed, goes down the Alice's rabbit hole after you interpret it.

love it!

 

[Kenny]

Oh I thought you were American.



I asked you two questions about what you stated and you deflect with this inaccurate question? Sounds like you are afraid to explain your beliefs beyond just stating them.




The law does no such thing. More deflection.

Get back to me when you want an honest discussion.

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

I love creativity in translation.

Apparently reality, of what is expressed, goes down the Alice's rabbit hole after you interpret it.

love it!

Whatever you need to tell yourself to be able to look yourself in the mirror.