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Why do homosexuals and transgenders force religious people to accept them?

LuisDantas

Aura of atheification
Premium Member
Do you really think I'm interested in living out all my sexual fantasies no matter how perverse?

First of all, I must point out that this is an odd question to ask in this circunstance. You are implying that threesomes with bissexual people are inherently and remarkably perverse. Such is not even remotely the case.

I do expect you, like much anyone else, to live your sexual fantasies to the extent that you have the opportunity, that you can do so within reasonable parameters of physical and emotional safety, and that in so doing you all respect each other.

I don't think that is too much to hope for, and I certainly fail to see why that would rule out experiences with bissexual people.

I really take issue with the implication that it is "perverse" to want to be in a relationship with a bisexual person. Here is hoping that after some reflection you might decide that it is not a proper or accurate thing to say. I certainly think so.


Those are pagan ways, not Christian. Ultimately I've already lived out many of my sexual fantasies and found them pretty unsatisfying in the long run. I'm not deluded enough to think that chasing down my bisexual fantasies is going to be the thing that fills me with what I really need or want.

I thought the Christian way was to perceive all people as equally helpless and insignificant before God, and therefore to love each other in a fraternal way?

I truly don't think that involves denial of one's own sexual fantasies, particularly at the expense of respect for actual people.

You may be genuinely attracted to bissexual women and threesomes, or you may not. Either way is fine, as is not being certain. it is even fine whether you decide to pursue the matter or rather to settle into the safety of a known situation; fantasies are not always significant and important, after all.

But to belittle people and treat them as less deserving of respect because they are bissexual, women, willing to express their sexuality, not repulsed by the idea of a threesome, "pagan", at peace with fantasies that you claim to find unsatisfying despite raising them on your own or any other such silly reason, that is a bad sign.
 

-Peacemaker-

.45 Cal
I thought the Christian way was to perceive all people as equally helpless and insignificant before God, and therefore to love each other in a fraternal way?

I truly don't think that involves denial of one's own sexual fantasies, particularly at the expense of respect for actual people.

You may be genuinely attracted to bissexual women and threesomes, or you may not. Either way is fine, as is not being certain. it is even fine whether you decide to pursue the matter or rather to settle into the safety of a known situation; fantasies are not always significant and important, after all.

But to belittle people and treat them as less deserving of respect because they are bissexual, women, willing to express their sexuality, not repulsed by the idea of a threesome, "pagan", at peace with fantasies that you claim to find unsatisfying despite raising them on your own or any other such silly reason, that is a bad sign.

In case you hadn't heard the Christian God has a pretty strict sexual ethic that he expects his followers to adhere to. He's a long way from being some hippy
 
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LuisDantas

Aura of atheification
Premium Member
I would rather not dwell on what is expect of Christians or what happens when they somehow fail those expectations for the moment, but that is not particularly relevant here anyway.

Regardless of how Christian exactly you are or aim to be, I'm pretty sure it is still a good idea to remind yourself that human dignity is not influenced by people's sexual orientation.
 

Nietzsche

The Last Prussian
Premium Member
Do you really think I'm interested in living out all my sexual fantasies no matter how perverse? Those are pagan ways, not Christian. Ultimately I've already lived out many of my sexual fantasies and found them pretty unsatisfying in the long run. I'm not deluded enough to think that chasing down my bisexual fantasies is going to be the thing that fills me with what I really need or want.
I'm pretty sure you were doing it wrong if that's the case.
 

Rick O'Shez

Irishman bouncing off walls
He's a long way from being some hippy

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Storm

ThrUU the Looking Glass
In case you hadn't heard the Christian God has a pretty strict sexual ethic that he expects his followers to adhere to. He's a long way from being some hippy
In case you hadn't heard, Christ - as in Christian (Christ-like) was pretty big on honoring the humanity of all humans. He also said that part of that strict sexual ethics was avoiding sinful (perverse, in your words) thought, but had some extremely harsh things to say about hypocrites and Pharisees.

You might want to appeal to an authority that doesn't condemn you more than anyone else involved in your sinful, bigoted exhibitionism.
 

Revasser

Terrible Dancer
Guys, its true. If all people were homosexual, the species really would disappear.

The last time I approached a vagina, I was bodily repulsed and broke my scapula when I collided with the wall. Goodness knows what would have happened if I'd had my trousers off. I'd have probably splattered my brains all over the bricks!
 

MysticSang'ha

Big Squishy Hugger
Premium Member
Do you really think I'm interested in living out all my sexual fantasies no matter how perverse? Those are pagan ways, not Christian. Ultimately I've already lived out many of my sexual fantasies and found them pretty unsatisfying in the long run. I'm not deluded enough to think that chasing down my bisexual fantasies is going to be the thing that fills me with what I really need or want.

I'm have a unique view about fantasy. We all have them. Fantasies can bring up some really wild stuff about us and our psyches, that's for sure though.

I see what Storm and Luis are trying to say, and it's something I've brought up before. There's an inherent societal objectification of bisexuals in many people's fantasies. In particular, bisexual women occupy many cishet male fantasies, since bisexual men experience far more erasure than women do. The funny thing in this thread was I posted a few times about how bisexuals like me are ignored or treated like the unicorn fantasy. Then you come along and did exactly that. :D

That's the larger societal scope that's being brought up. And they're right. Continuing the cultural fantasy of the threesome with one lucky cishet male - who is the subject of the fantasy - sandwiched between two young nubile cisbi cookie cutter mindless women....it perpetuates the objectification and the erasure in an insidious way.

But on a smaller scope, regarding your particular fantasy for yourself, that's another personal issue. I'm all about meditating, writing, emotionally exploring your fantasies to discover what is lying beneath the visions and the aphrodisiac in the mind. When it's safe and consensual, I'd even recommend going through the act to help bring to the surface even more quickly what is lying dormant in your psyche. But ONLY when it's safe and consensual.

I think you might be surprised to see what is brought to light.

- Signed, one of RF's Bisexual "Unicorns."
 

Debater Slayer

Vipassana
Staff member
Premium Member
In case you hadn't heard the Christian God has a pretty strict sexual ethic that he expects his followers to adhere to. He's a long way from being some hippy

And yet he apparently has no problem with committing genocide and rejecting people merely for not being Christian.

I'm always skeptical of belief systems that effectively require people to lower their ethical standards to be "pious"... but I also realize that not all people's ethical standards are very high to begin with.
 

MysticSang'ha

Big Squishy Hugger
Premium Member
Says who?
Seems to me the "Christian way" is to go ahead and do whatever you want as long as you show up to church on Sunday pretending to be as big a prude as you think your god is.

One of the local high-profile deacons in our area is a great example. From personal experience, btw.
 

Jainarayan

ॐ नमो भगवते वासुदेवाय
Staff member
Premium Member
In case you hadn't heard the Christian God has a pretty strict sexual ethic that he expects his followers to adhere to. He's a long way from being some hippy

As I pointed out early on in the thread, the Abrahamic God is not the be-all end-all. Many of us do not believe in that God, and are not bound by what he allegedly said.
 

Debater Slayer

Vipassana
Staff member
Premium Member
Says who?
Seems to me the "Christian way" is to go ahead and do whatever you want as long as you show up to church on Sunday pretending to be as big a prude as you think your god is.

Not to mention that what a lot of Christians mean by the "Christian way" is actually a euphemism for being hateful, ignorant, and dismissive of other worldviews without even considering them. I think that phrase tends to be as meaningless as it is presumptuous.
 
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