Why do homosexuals and transgenders force religious people to accept them?

[Shadow Wolf]

I am sure he would turn the other cheek.

This is officially my laugh of the day!

 

[Shadow Wolf]

Not to mention that what a lot of Christians mean by the "Christian way" is actually a euphemism for being hateful, ignorant, and dismissive of other worldviews without even considering them. I think that phrase tends to be as meaningless as it is presumptuous.

I've come to realize that those who are the most vocal and loud about being Christian are those who are the farthest away from Christ.
But I should've realized this when I was a Christian, since Jesus is rather straight-forward about this, but I was one of those obnoxiously loud "Christians" back then so of course I didn't realize it until later.

 

[LuisDantas]

Come to think of it, isn't it sort of backwards to claim that one can't follow his desires because he is a Christian?

I have to wonder how often people confuse holding Christian beliefs with feeling restricted by some conception of how a Christian should behave (or appear to behave).

It is one thing to believe that God exists and gifted his message by way of a specific religion. To feel that otherwise attractive behaviors should be avoided "because my religion tells me not to" is something else entirely, IMO.

Sometimes I wonder if the greatest threats to religion aren't proselitizing religions.

Were I a theist, I would feel very incensed by the implication that God the Creator exists and goes out of his way to demand my feelings of guilt for my desire to seek happiness.

 

[Debater Slayer]

Come to think of it, isn't it sort of backwards to claim that one can't follow his desires because he is a Christian?

I have to wonder how often people confuse holding Christian beliefs with feeling restricted by some conception of how a Christian should behave (or appear to behave).

It is one thing to believe that God exists and gifted his message by way of a specific religion. To feel that otherwise attractive behaviors should be avoided "because my religion tells me not to" is something else entirely, IMO.

Sometimes I wonder if the greatest threats to religion aren't proselitizing religions.

Were I a theist, I would feel very incensed by the implication that God the Creator exists and goes out of his way to demand my feelings of guilt for my desire to seek happiness.

Telling people that Big Brother is watching tends to create a barrier of fear that prevents many people from changing or even doubting their beliefs. From the perspective of authors who want to garner more and more followers, it is a rather ingenious approach, actually.

 

[LuisDantas]

Telling people that Big Brother is watching tends to create a barrier of fear that prevents many people from changing or even doubting their beliefs. From the perspective of authors who want to garner more and more followers, it is a rather ingenious approach, actually.

But at such price. It amounts to growing the flock by scaring it into fear-filled submission and lack of initiative.

That is not only not very religious, it is all-out offensive to the very idea of religious practice. It is obscene in a way that consensual sex could never be.

 

[Debater Slayer]

But at such price. It amounts to growing the flock by scaring it into fear-filled submission and lack of initiative.

That is not only not very religious, it is all-out offensive to the very idea of religious practice. It is obscene in a way that consensual sex could never be.

I agree. However, hundreds of millions of people believe that such things are exactly what their deity requires of them. It is quite scary when you think about it.

 

[LuisDantas]

Very scary indeed. That is one of several reasons why I can't be scared into belief in God.

While I may never know that there is no God, I feel very safe indeed to say that there is no God worth paying attention to that would like me to be scared on him.

 

[Jainarayan]

Telling people that Big Brother is watching tends to create a barrier of fear that prevents many people from changing or even doubting their beliefs. From the perspective of authors who want to garner more and more followers, it is a rather ingenious approach, actually.

And the beauty of polytheism is that often the gods are so busy doing other things, you actually have to bug them to get their attention. They're too busy doing other godly things (like having sex, themselves) to be peeping toms.

 

[McBell]

Sometimes I wonder if the greatest threats to religion aren't proselitizing religions.

The greatest threat to religion is theists.

 

[LuisDantas]

How come we still lack separate words to distinguish those who believe in God from those who are afraid that he might exist?

 

[-Peacemaker-]

In case you hadn't heard, Christ - as in Christian (Christ-like) was pretty big on honoring the humanity of all humans. He also said that part of that strict sexual ethics was avoiding sinful (perverse, in your words) thought, but had some extremely harsh things to say about hypocrites and Pharisees.

You might want to appeal to an authority that doesn't condemn you more than anyone else involved in your sinful, bigoted exhibitionism.

who knows, maybe we'll see each other in hell some day

 

[Storm]

who knows, maybe we'll see each other in hell some day

It would have to exist for that to happen.

Good luck with your sycophant gambit, but I think I'll focus on being a good person.

 

[Storm]

How come we still lack separate words to distinguish those who believe in God from those who are afraid that he might exist?

I have no idea, but that would be useful.

 

[-Peacemaker-]

I see what Storm and Luis are trying to say, and it's something I've brought up before. There's an inherent societal objectification of bisexuals in many people's fantasies. In particular, bisexual women occupy many cishet male fantasies, since bisexual men experience far more erasure than women do. The funny thing in this thread was I posted a few times about how bisexuals like me are ignored or treated like the unicorn fantasy. Then you come along and did exactly that.

I think this is a female thing instead of a bisexual thing. Women are always getting in an uproar about being objectified. I really have no issue if some woman sees me as a sex object. In fact I find it rather flattering as I find something appealing about being the object of a woman's fantasies. Now I may not respect her but I'm still flattered non the less. I've even had women use for my looks. Guess how I felt the next morning? I was kind of proud

 

[MysticSang'ha]

I think this is a female thing instead of a bisexual thing. Women are always getting in an uproar about being objectified. I really have no issue if some woman sees me as a sex object. In fact I find it rather flattering as I find something appealing about being the object of a woman's fantasies. Now I may not respect her but I'm still flattered non the less. I've even had women use for my looks. Guess how I felt the next morning? I was kind of proud

To be desired and to be objectified are two different things. Objectification dehumanizes the person, making their personhood meaningless. Objectification removes the persons self-agency, and sees that person as a sum of their shapely parts.

Would you feel as proud if a man wanted to use you for your looks?

 

[-Peacemaker-]

To be desired and to be objectified are two different things. Objectification dehumanizes the person, making their personhood meaningless. Objectification removes the persons self-agency, and sees that person as a sum of their shapely parts.

Would you feel as proud if a man wanted to use you for your looks?

Like I said this is a female thing instead of a bisexual thing. I don't think most guys lose much sleep over women objectifying them. And FWIW I'm disgusted at the thought of a man feeling that way about me but that's probably because I view his desires as corrupted.

 

[Jumi]

And FWIW I'm disgusted at the thought of a man feeling that way about me

Why does that not surprise me?

 

[MysticSang'ha]

Like I said this is a female thing instead of a bisexual thing. I don't think most guys lose much sleep over women objectifying them. And FWIW I'm disgusted at the thought of a man feeling that way about me but that's probably because I view his desires as corrupted.

Oh there's plenty of objectification from women toward men in this culture, and it usually comes in the form of seeing men as nothing more than a paycheck.

Can't say I've heard much from men on how enjoyable that is.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

Like I said this is a female thing instead of a bisexual thing. I don't think most guys lose much sleep over women objectifying them. And FWIW I'm disgusted at the thought of a man feeling that way about me but that's probably because I view his desires as corrupted.

It's not a female thing, or a bisexual thing. Even transsexuals, both FtM and MtF, are objectified for their mismatched bodies and genitals. In the trans community, we call them "chasers." And honestly I wouldn't want to be with a chaser because he would want me not for who I am as a person, but simply because to him I would be a "chick with a dick" who would become useless once I no longer have a dick. Really, it's a human thing that we all feel as no one likes to be an end, in this case being viewed as an object rather than a human.

 

[Storm]

Like I said this is a female thing instead of a bisexual thing.

Oh, are we to be graced with the wisdom of your mansplaining?

Gather round, defectives! Attend, for the REAL human has deigned to explain you!

I don't think most guys lose much sleep over women objectifying them.

Probably because you think dehumanization makes you so very powerful. Men who have been raped are far less glib.

And FWIW I'm disgusted at the thought of a man feeling that way about me

Shocking! You clearly realize that many women are equally disgusted by your slavering, though, so obviously, you are quite aware that the object's disgust is irrelevant. Ain't objectification cool?

but that's probably because I view his desires as corrupted.

More likely it's because you realize that being objectified means being treated the same way you treat women.