Why do homosexuals and transgenders force religious people to accept them?

[MysticSang'ha]

I've been in that situation. One night a pack of them followed us home, yelling about how much better we'd be once they were done. The cops chased them off, but my poor girl was completely terrified.

Fine upstanding Christians like Peacemaker, those boys. Just helping God with our corruption and depravity.

Oh god. Yes. And it doesn't slow down, either.

Being out isn't a political statement for the lot of us. It's a majorly courageous decision precisely because of the threats to our safety just for being open about who we are.

 

[dust1n]

I also think it has something to do with how men are conditioned to always be the assertive one in any mating situation, that y'all believe that you must initiate, so it's unusual to be pursued by women. Women are conditioned not to pursue, not to enjoy sex for sex's sake, and certainly not to give any signals of interest outright.

Whose suppose to win in this arrangement? I guess God?

 

[-Peacemaker-]

You have no idea who I am, what I do, or what I believe. Or what depraved means.

But I've seen more of you than I care to, haven't I? Your fetishes, your excuses, your warped fantasies of other people, and your pathetic, sacreligious attempt to justify it all by invoking Christ, when we both know He'd repudiate you.

The funny thing is how it's all so standard. I mean, I've only been sneering right back at you sad sacks my whole life, and you all follow the same script. Is there some sort of handbook for repulsive bigots trying to seem powerful?

I make no excuses about anything. In case you haven't noticed I'm pretty shameless about my flaws of which I have many. I still think I'll make it into heaven but it'll be by the skin of my teeth. I don't lose much sleep over how I'm viewed on here. But here's the thing, we don't have to think much of each other's character. In fact we might find each other's moral state to be deplorable but that shouldn't prevent us from being friends.

 

[Storm]

I make no excuses about anything. In case you haven't noticed I'm pretty shameless about my flaws of which I have many. I still think I'll make it into heaven but it'll be by the skin of my teeth. I don't lose much sleep over how I'm viewed on here. But here's the thing, we don't have to think much of each other's character. In fact we might find each other's moral state to be deplorable but that shouldn't prevent us from being friends.

I would never lower myself to feign affection for you. Spew whatever venomous ignorance you want, but if you think I'm going to call you friend, you're every bit as stupid as you are repulsive.

I actually care about living up to my morals.

If there is a Heaven, I think you're going to be terribly disappointed.

 

[-Peacemaker-]

I actually care about living up to my morals.

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I assume that's pretty easy to do when one defines right and wrong for themselves and/or chooses a god that affirms everything they already want to believe about ethics

 

[dust1n]

I assume that's pretty easy to when one defines right and wrong for themselves and/or chooses a god that affirms everything they already want to believe about ethics

It's actually significantly harder than passively ignoring issues with ethics by simply prescribing to an ancient book.

 

[Storm]

I assume that's pretty easy to when one defines right and wrong for themselves and/or chooses a god that affirms everything they already want to believe about ethics

Gee, who still wonders why this dudebro can't get laid?

Since I need to spell it out for you, I will. You are unworthy of me, completely. You are unworthy of my respect. You are unworthy of my affection. You are unworthy of my loyalty, my intellect, and my moral fiber. And your sad sack vitriol only makes that more apparent with every desperate attempt to hurt my feelings.

I see you. How dare you desecrate His name by trying to use it to excuse your vile nature? You know nothing of Christ, you know nothing of me, and you know nothing of morality.

Whatever my actual sins - and I have many, though love is no sin - I have never done anything so horrible as to deserve the penance of enduring you.

Stop begging. It will do you no good.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

I assume that's pretty easy to do when one defines right and wrong for themselves and/or chooses a god that affirms everything they already want to believe about ethics

Actually, having to figure out what is right and wrong is much harder than having a book tell you. Ethics becomes much broader and more elaborate as you realize they are so diverse they are subjective. Which again takes more effort to take in as much as you can and sort it out than just turning to an ancient for easy one-way-street answers.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

Gee, who still wonders why this dudebro can't get laid?

One thing I have often wondered, why are those who are sexually inactive attacked for it?

 

[-Peacemaker-]

Actually, having to figure out what is right and wrong is much harder than having a book tell you. Ethics becomes much broader and more elaborate as you realize they are so diverse they are subjective. Which again takes more effort to take in as much as you can and sort it out than just turning to an ancient for easy one-way-street answers.

You think it takes effort to simply choose to believe all the actions you trust to make you whole and bring you fulfillment fall under the umbrella of "good"?

 

[Storm]

Actually, having to figure out what is right and wrong is much harder than having a book tell you. Ethics becomes much broader and more elaborate as you realize they are so diverse they are subjective. Which again takes more effort to take in as much as you can and sort it out than just turning to an ancient for easy one-way-street answers.

Please. He's made it quite clear that he doesn't care what the book has to say, either.

 

[Storm]

One thing I have often wondered, why are those who are sexually inactive attacked for it?

Did you miss the parts where he was trying to get the details of my sexual fantasies, declaring that I couldn't handle his studly self, and then tried to excuse it all with "but I'm celibate?"

I don't care about anyone else's bed, but if this particular slug insists on making it relevant, so be it.

 

[Storm]

You think it takes effort to simply choose to believe all the actions you trust to make you whole and bring you fulfillment fall under the umbrella of "good"?

No, she actually has moral character. You, otoh, are fooling no one.

 

[MysticSang'ha]

I assume that's pretty easy to do when one defines right and wrong for themselves and/or chooses a god that affirms everything they already want to believe about ethics

Nah. It's much harder, I think. There's always context to muddy the waters.

 

[Debater Slayer]

I assume that's pretty easy to do when one defines right and wrong for themselves and/or chooses a god that affirms everything they already want to believe about ethics

In other words, when one does exactly what you're doing by "choosing" a deity that appears to suffer from a superiority complex?

 

[Storm]

In other words, when one does exactly what you're doing by "choosing" a deity that appears to suffer from a superiority complex?

While steadfastly refusing to even attempt to obey any of the moral teachings.

Odd, I don't think he's going to get quite the reward he expects for treating God like a sockpuppet.

 

[MysticSang'ha]

I make no excuses about anything. In case you haven't noticed I'm pretty shameless about my flaws of which I have many. I still think I'll make it into heaven but it'll be by the skin of my teeth. I don't lose much sleep over how I'm viewed on here. But here's the thing, we don't have to think much of each other's character. In fact we might find each other's moral state to be deplorable but that shouldn't prevent us from being friends.

Dude, here's why the responses are harsh:

You may be shameless of your flaws at the end of the day, but these flaws don't put you as a target for violence by a dominant demographic.

You have the luxury of discussing this on a forum with people you don't know in real life, and then going to sleep at night without the worry that you might be outed and lose your place of residence or be targeted by local dude bros who think queers are disgusting.

You can put this discussion aside.

We don't have that luxury.

Look, I realize you are unaware of how flippant your posts come across, but objectification, phobia, and erasure does, in fact, kill. There are peoples lives and safety at stake here. It isn't as simple as logging out of RF and wondering what bisexual women would be like in bed. Many of us have tried desperately to change for decades with no avail. Some of us queer folk decided the suffering was too much and checked out completely. Some of us still hang on. And some of us fight the very mindsets that lead us to self harm.

 

[Debater Slayer]

Goodness... seeing people treat the Bible like an absolute moral authority and try to shove it down non-Christians' throats sickens me. No, really, I have gotten sick of it. I utterly fail to see why on Earth a book, especially the Old Testament, should be used as a manual of morality when it condemns consensual love but not genocide. Gender equality but not the despotism of eternally torturing non-Christians. Sexual freedom but not the "freedom" to preach such a blatantly hateful message as if it had an ounce of authority on what is or isn't ethical.

I think that deciding what is right and wrong for oneself is far more likely to result in having sound ethics than following an ancient book written by what I believe to be a corrupt liar (Paul) and a bunch of other misogynistic, homophobic, and sadistic authors that the world would have been far better off without.

 

[-Peacemaker-]

Did you miss the parts where he was trying to get the details of my sexual fantasies, declaring that I couldn't handle his studly self, and then tried to excuse it all with "but I'm celibate?"

I don't care about anyone else's bed, but if this particular slug insists on making it relevant, so be it.

You really think I actually want to know what in God's name you fantasize about? I'm not sure I could handle that information. I made a point that sexual fantasies/lustful thoughts by nature objectify the person being fantasized about. Everybody has them, even if they shouldn't. I pointed out through a rhetorical question that yours are no different. You'd rather spin that however to make it sound like I was searching titillating info about what's in that head of yours. And the fact that I'm celibate is relevant, you know why? Because it shows I'm not some sex addict and/or a slave to such desires. Yeah those fantasies pop up in my head from time to time but they usually leave just as fast. That's how I'm able to avoid acting on them

 

[Storm]

You really think I actually want to know what in God's name you fantasize about? I'm not sure I could handle that information. I made a point that sexual fantasies/lustful thoughts by nature objectify the person being fantasized about. Everybody has them, even if they shouldn't. I pointed out through a rhetorical question that yours are no different. You'd rather spin that however to make it sound like I was searching titillating info about what's in that head of yours. And the fact that I'm celibate is relevant, you know why? Because it shows I'm not some sex addict and/or a slave to such desires. Yeah those fantasies pop up in my head from time to time but they usually leave just as fast. That's how I'm able to avoid acting on them

Sound and fury, signifying nothing.