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Maybe the Christian God views both as lacking however one couple is using sex in a committed relationship while the other is not. At the end both are sinners yet one is not guilty of sexual sin....from a Christian perspective
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Why do homosexuals and transgenders force religious people to accept them?
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Maybe the Christian God views both as lacking however one couple is using sex in a committed relationship while the other is not. At the end both are sinners yet one is not guilty of sexual sin....from a Christian perspective
-Peacemaker-
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let's give it a rest I don't want to argue with you anymore
Storm
ThrUU the Looking Glass
Funny how that happens when someone speaks actual truth, and all you've got is twisted fantasy.
What happened to Kevin and his daughter is the reality you create.
Tell me again what a fine Christian you are, how you hold such strict morality how much better you are than him. How sure you are that you're going to Heaven. Do you think they'll let you wash that man's feet, or does the fact that he has a husband (and a certificate now, oooooooooo) mean God doesn't want him?
Small wonder you "don't want to argue" when I don't let you write my side.
-Peacemaker-
.45 Cal
I already realize I've been pretty judgmental in this thread. I'd rather try to repent of it. And make no mistake about it, I'm the worst kind of sinner because I'm not ignorant of what I do. As far as Kevin goes, I'd argue that he's demonstrated he doesn't want the Christian God, not the other way around.
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Storm
ThrUU the Looking Glass
Then you REALLY are the worst kind of sinner.
We'll just add repentance to the many religious principles you defile.
gnomon
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There is no evidence among the entire history of humankind that any God of any sort has written down any law. Only a supernatural belief could justify believing that any God has done such. All the words of Yahweh and Allah are nothing more than the words of men. Men. Not women but men. There is no evidence stating anything otherwise other than wishful fulfillment.
An ignorance of the actual biology of human sexual development is never an excuse against an attempt to be wise about discussing such a subject. Gays, lesbians, transgenders and as importantly intersex individuals are as natural as "straight" people. The fact that they are born thus from their mothers wombs and develop naturally as such based upon hormonal development only leads to the logical conclusion that they are naturally developed. To declare that a Supreme Being would declare otherwise only leads to the logical conclusion that the Supreme Being is ignorant or cannot control the natural development of human beings. Add to that the notion that the definition of a "Supreme" Being, such as Yahweh or Allah, is in control of such things yet disavow that which they control only leads to a logical fallacy. That they cannot actually control what they claim to or the definition of some very sick minded Gods who purposefully allow the development of human beings they define as abominations. Just sick.
That is why, solely based upon the fact that our ancient beliefs are so outdated in dealing with modern understanding of biological development, all of humanity should disavow these notions of "Supreme" beings and all the traditions defined by them. All of them.
If we don't we will never truly progress spiritually as a race. We'll only remain a bunch of ethnically divided imbeciles.
It wouldn't be any better if women had say. There'd just be additional commandments about cuddling afterwards & putting the toilet seat down.
You forgot the most important commandment that a woman would put.
Thou Shalt Not tell his spouse that a garment she is wearing makes her appear fat.
Clearly, I am ignorant of religion...& women.
Indeed, thou art truly a foul heathen. Quick! Repent before it's too late!!
How can I "repent" when I've never even "pented"?
That truly is a dilemma. Hmmm. Perhaps ask some sort of Clergy? You might be able to get away with a few Hail Susans instead.
Storm et. al. It's probably pretty evident I was a police officer by now, ergo why my "war" lasted 22.5 years, & it was very much a war.
I delt with drug dealers, baby molesters, cheats, liars, thieves, all sorts of miscreants, and that was just the guys in the squad room. :>)
Seriously we had our share of bad cops but most all were decent fellas that just wanted to do a good job & go home with allbody parts in tact.
There was one smaller park in our city, on the east edge of town, where it was known gays could meet. A kind of secret meeting place but word eventually got out.
My friend Jon, the gay man who eventually shot himeself, had a gay friend that also was an orderly at the local e.r. Lets call him "Bill". Bill & Jon were an item for a time but broke up, remaining friends. Bill went to the park one evening and was ganged up on by a bunch of, well, "rednecks" will do I guess. They beat Bill so badly he almost died. Several times. I was a detective then and was assigned the case.
It was obvious that it was at least felonious assault and could have made attempted murder. Bill's left eye out was knocked out of it's socket and face broken everywhere.
He eventually regained consciousness &, tho I knew him, he absolutely refused to even try to i.d. the perps.
He was that afraid.
Jon stayed with Bill and took him home, caring for him while he recovered. It took a long time.
I remember the old Chief telling me not to "waste time" over a queer.
I'm telling this story for what I feel is a very darned good reason.
I'm not gay, don't have any inclination (right words?) so have no dog in this fight.
The fact is that people are incredibly cruel, it's true what happens to different people for whatever reasons. Maybe I fell upon this board to tell these stories.
In a way I'm purging myself of the terrible, haunting, memories of things too awful too tell even my counselor.
Long after I took my disability and left the job I began having nightmares, reliving the unthinkable. I absolutely don't want anyones sympathy, p.t.s.d. happens to all sorts of people, good & bad. I've never spoken out against the descrimination of people of orientation. I think I should add my voice to the choris.
If a person is really a Christian, how could one judge another?
We aren't discussing murderers, drug dealers, burglars.
We are addressing sexual preference. If being different is a "sin" then the God I believe in understands and can make judgements.
It's not our place to do so.
It appears I've been accepting of different people all of my life. I just didn't understand why all the public hue & cry.
I understand now.
I delt with drug dealers, baby molesters, cheats, liars, thieves, all sorts of miscreants, and that was just the guys in the squad room. :>)
Seriously we had our share of bad cops but most all were decent fellas that just wanted to do a good job & go home with allbody parts in tact.
There was one smaller park in our city, on the east edge of town, where it was known gays could meet. A kind of secret meeting place but word eventually got out.
My friend Jon, the gay man who eventually shot himeself, had a gay friend that also was an orderly at the local e.r. Lets call him "Bill". Bill & Jon were an item for a time but broke up, remaining friends. Bill went to the park one evening and was ganged up on by a bunch of, well, "rednecks" will do I guess. They beat Bill so badly he almost died. Several times. I was a detective then and was assigned the case.
It was obvious that it was at least felonious assault and could have made attempted murder. Bill's left eye out was knocked out of it's socket and face broken everywhere.
He eventually regained consciousness &, tho I knew him, he absolutely refused to even try to i.d. the perps.
He was that afraid.
Jon stayed with Bill and took him home, caring for him while he recovered. It took a long time.
I remember the old Chief telling me not to "waste time" over a queer.
I'm telling this story for what I feel is a very darned good reason.
I'm not gay, don't have any inclination (right words?) so have no dog in this fight.
The fact is that people are incredibly cruel, it's true what happens to different people for whatever reasons. Maybe I fell upon this board to tell these stories.
In a way I'm purging myself of the terrible, haunting, memories of things too awful too tell even my counselor.
Long after I took my disability and left the job I began having nightmares, reliving the unthinkable. I absolutely don't want anyones sympathy, p.t.s.d. happens to all sorts of people, good & bad. I've never spoken out against the descrimination of people of orientation. I think I should add my voice to the choris.
If a person is really a Christian, how could one judge another?
We aren't discussing murderers, drug dealers, burglars.
We are addressing sexual preference. If being different is a "sin" then the God I believe in understands and can make judgements.
It's not our place to do so.
It appears I've been accepting of different people all of my life. I just didn't understand why all the public hue & cry.
I understand now.
Storm
ThrUU the Looking Glass
Definitely a perk of lovin' the boys....
Until I try a really bad cut on my lil waif figure and it just pops out and we BOTH go all deer in the headlights.
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Storm
ThrUU the Looking Glass
We're good. You get it, we're good. You don't need to keep saying you get it. Tone is obviously difficult, but that's totally sincere, not meant to be curt or dismissive.
Opening good hearts isn't a one size fits all kinda deal. Sometimes the way pain calls to pain does the trick like sterile logic never could. And that's why I choose the tactic I do. That and the way there are always real bigots handy ready to make their vitriol serve a purpose, however unwitting. Hard for those who simply don't know to fall into the comfort of disbelief with them right there, proving that it really is that bad.
Storm
ThrUU the Looking Glass
Precisely so.
Storm: What does this mean? UU/ panentheist/ neopagan/ process theology.
Did I read correctly that you have a son?
Precious. I have 3 sons, a daughter, all grown. I'm 68 and have a 15 year old son.
How'd THAT happend? :>) He is my most precious child, a handsome fellow, already 6' tall. I'm an outdoorsman, hunter, fisherman, gardener, and I taught him about firearms when he was just 5 yrs. old. Bought his first AR rifle at 12, first auto handgun at 13, trained him well in RESPONSIBILITY and SAFETY.
Now he's very much into archery, the traditional style. He has male friends that are, well, gentile fellows, thinks nothing evil in that respect, has no bigotry about race, religion, etc. Changing the world one generation at a time.
He's 100% boy (man) and kind, respectful, loves little children and I get most wonderful comments from others about how "nice" he is.
Most gratifying
Did I read correctly that you have a son?
Precious. I have 3 sons, a daughter, all grown. I'm 68 and have a 15 year old son.
How'd THAT happend? :>) He is my most precious child, a handsome fellow, already 6' tall. I'm an outdoorsman, hunter, fisherman, gardener, and I taught him about firearms when he was just 5 yrs. old. Bought his first AR rifle at 12, first auto handgun at 13, trained him well in RESPONSIBILITY and SAFETY.
Now he's very much into archery, the traditional style. He has male friends that are, well, gentile fellows, thinks nothing evil in that respect, has no bigotry about race, religion, etc. Changing the world one generation at a time.
He's 100% boy (man) and kind, respectful, loves little children and I get most wonderful comments from others about how "nice" he is.
Most gratifying
Storm
ThrUU the Looking Glass
Hoo boy... go big or go home, yeah?
Unitarian Universalism is a covenantal religion, which means that instead of being based on shared beliefs of God, we gather in the covenant to build the Beloved Community - a world of true equality, peace, and justice. I'm not sure the phrase originated with the Rev. Dr. King, but we took it up from him.
Panentheism is a theological framework like theism or pantheism. In essence, I believe that the whole of our reality, from quarks to fever dreams, is God, manifest in infinite variety.
Neopaganism is an umbrella term for non-Abrahamic religion, though there's some debate as to the size. I limit it to the traditions of pre-Christian Europe and the Mediterranean (roughly).
Specifically, I'm an eclectic, which means one who draws from many traditions to forge a new path. Combined with the panentheism, the gist is that I regard most of the "Gods" as more archetypal than independent beings, although the line blurs from many perspectives.
Process theology is a larger framework as well, but for the nature of the relationship between God and humanity, instead of the nature of God. It's the basic idea that God and humans (at minimum, for me it's reality) learn from each other, calling and goading one another to new heights of glory. The process isn't easy or fast, but growth seldom is.
Indeed.
Just a guess, but lack of male menopause
Raven turns 13 soon. A year ago, out of nowhere my precious little boy had a budding mustache and a bass voice and he's as tall as me and his shoulders are wider and absolutely NONE of this is ok with me.
I used to be baffled by parents who treated their children as if they were much younger, but I get it now. It's not disrespect or nostalgia, it's that parenthood makes time speed up without you and you genuinely cannot comprehend that they're twice as old as you think. Minimum.
Sounds like.
Storm: You are very intelligent and you write so well, words flow like prose.
Not trying to butter you up, just being honest.
I married a woman 24 years younger than me. She was real pretty, I was 50, just divorced my cheating
very ruch wife, got caught in the rebound.
She had 3 little girls, well trained to find a new dad, saw me coming a mile away, "accidently" got pregnant & I became a dad at 53.
Best thing that ever happened to me. That baby was mine from the moment I took him from the ............
..................., well, that messy freakin' thing that babies come out of. Yuk!
I fed, bathed, held, rocked, that little fellow so much that the wife forgot he was there.
The lad & I are so very close. He knows no bigotry, racisim, inequity, as I never exhibted those things.
Lot to be said for older fathers. I'm sure he will get plenty of that from his peers but I do believe he won't feel like many of them act.
The ex ripped me off pretty bady in the planned divorce. So it goes. I love her very much as the mother of my son. She is with another and that's great with me. He's good to my son & that's all I require.
Your views on spiritual matters is very interesting. I read a lot about religions, more Christian than others.
I find many inequities in the Christian Bible and see how people get led in un-Chrisitian ways.
It takes some digging to get at the truth & I doubt anyone has the Bible nailed down 100%.
The world can be as wonderul as one lets it.
Not trying to butter you up, just being honest.
I married a woman 24 years younger than me. She was real pretty, I was 50, just divorced my cheating
very ruch wife, got caught in the rebound.
She had 3 little girls, well trained to find a new dad, saw me coming a mile away, "accidently" got pregnant & I became a dad at 53.
Best thing that ever happened to me. That baby was mine from the moment I took him from the ............
..................., well, that messy freakin' thing that babies come out of. Yuk!
I fed, bathed, held, rocked, that little fellow so much that the wife forgot he was there.
The lad & I are so very close. He knows no bigotry, racisim, inequity, as I never exhibted those things.
Lot to be said for older fathers. I'm sure he will get plenty of that from his peers but I do believe he won't feel like many of them act.
The ex ripped me off pretty bady in the planned divorce. So it goes. I love her very much as the mother of my son. She is with another and that's great with me. He's good to my son & that's all I require.
Your views on spiritual matters is very interesting. I read a lot about religions, more Christian than others.
I find many inequities in the Christian Bible and see how people get led in un-Chrisitian ways.
It takes some digging to get at the truth & I doubt anyone has the Bible nailed down 100%.
The world can be as wonderul as one lets it.