Why do homosexuals and transgenders force religious people to accept them?

[Storm]

Thank you.

 

[dgirl1986]

In the UK religious institutions aren't obliged to perform gay marriage ceremonies if it's against their religious principles. You can probably guess which ones have already said they won't do it.

I wouldnt expect religious institutions to do it, I am sure there are UU churches in the UK that would be more than happy to perform it anyway.

I agree, but it's worth remembering that it was these same religious institutions which objected strongly to gay marriage and delayed it's introduction for many many years.

So true. We are still trying to legalise it here.

It frustrates me that some Christians seem to completely miss this essential point. Some of them seem stuck in the Old Testament.

My experience has been that the outspoken ones will use the Old Testament against people but if you point it back at them they will claim that it is not relevant as the NT overwrites it.

 

[dgirl1986]

I rather doubt Jesus would have turned away from homosexuals for being homosexuals.

Everything I learnt about in church regarding jesus leans towards jesus treating them as normal human beings.

Many, many, years ago I worked at a huge auto plant near Cleveland, 5,000 employees from all over the country. I befriended a fellow my age ( we were very young then), he was from near where I hailed from so we had something in common. He had lunch together. I had not clue he was gay. Other "he-men" at the plant took me aside and flat told me to stop hanging with the "queer" lest I get a reputation as being a "switch hitter". The "guys" told me I was a bit of a "little Miss Mary" myself and might be taken for a "funny boy" by queers.

It was sad that this is the response you got from people, but what you experienced was only a portion of what he would have experienced. What you experienced in regards to what led to your PTSD would have been horrible but it makes no sense to compare pains.

Some responders here took my responses as being anti-something & w/o knowing lumped me in with bigots and other unsavory people. It's a common to make mistakes when one does not know what one does not know.

It is hard when conversing online when you cannot read a person, and we are so often face with the anti something, it becomes difficult not to assume. I try to respond on an individual post basis rather than a "I saw this guy or gal post this".

 

[dgirl1986]

I agree. I don't know what the huge fear is when gay or trans people express themselves.

People fear that which they do not understand. Some people honestly believe it is something you can become or that is contagious, an illness, etc.

You would buy him food...but would not bake him a cake...???

Seems legit

 

[Storm]

I wouldnt expect religious institutions to do it, I am sure there are UU churches in the UK that would be more than happy to perform it anyway.


So true. We are still trying to legalise it here.



My experience has been that the outspoken ones will use the Old Testament against people but if you point it back at them they will claim that it is not relevant as the NT overwrites it.

There are very few UU churches outside the US. There are Unitarians and Universalists, but the merger was an American thing.

 

[dgirl1986]

There are very few UU churches outside the US. There are Unitarians and Universalists, but the merger was an American thing.

There would still be unitarians or universalists that are in support of same sex marriage though surely.

 

[Storm]

QUOTE="dgirl1986, post: 4073855, member: 40632"]There would still be unitarians or universalists that are in support of same sex marriage though surely.[/QUOTE]
Oh! Yes, almost certainly.

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

does this mean I hate the person? not at all.

I don't believe you.

That's what it comes down to for me: when people hide behind their religion to justify discrimination, I can't believe that they really care about the people they discriminate against.

Love does not motivate hateful acts.

 

[Rick O'Shez]

Love does not motivate hateful acts.

Exactly. Nor does it motivate hateful, judgemental thinking and speech.

 

[-Peacemaker-]

I don't believe you.

That's what it comes down to for me: when people hide behind their religion to justify discrimination, I can't believe that they really care about the people they discriminate against.

Love does not motivate hateful acts.

If something is inherently broken no one is under any obligation treat it as legitimate much less celebrate it

 

[McBell]

If something is inherently broken no one is under any obligation treat it as legitimate much less celebrate it

Merely believing something is "inherently broken" does not make that something "inherently broken".

 

[Rick O'Shez]

If something is inherently broken no one is under any obligation treat it as legitimate much less celebrate it

So why we should treat your views as legitimate?

 

[Storm]

So why we should treat your views as legitimate?

Let alone the sacrilege meant to justify them...?

 

[-Peacemaker-]

Let alone the sacrilege meant to justify them...?

Sacrilege includes lying about God's character to say he approves of what he in fact abhors

 

[Rick O'Shez]

Sacrilege includes lying about God's character to say he approves of what he in fact abhors

How could you possibly know what God's character is?

 

[Storm]

Sacrilege includes lying about God's character to say he approves of what he in fact abhors

Like hypocrisy, judgmentalism, and legalistic twisting of irrelevant guidelines from vastly lesser teachers to defy just about every word Christ Himself is believed to have uttered.

Precisely

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

Sacrilege includes lying about God's character to say he approves of what he in fact abhors

... and what God approves and abhors always coincidentally matches up with what you approve and abhor, right?

 

[Storm]

If something is inherently broken no one is under any obligation treat it as legitimate much less celebrate it

I agree entire.

That's precisely why I don't pretend your claim of faith is a legitimate reason to accept your right to condemn that which God created.

 

[Nietzsche]

... and what God approves and abhors always coincidentally matches up with what you approve and abhor, right?

There is no one and nothing more dangerous than someone convinced God agrees with them.

 

[Revoltingest]

Sacrilege includes lying about God's character to say he approves of what he in fact abhors

It occurs to me that any god which is the singular supreme being would have no gender because there'd be no other to boink. In other words, he/she/it would be neither AC nor DC, but ground. So if this god is listening, I don't hold this abomination against you. We all have our little abominable traits which are harmless. Ain't nobody perfect.