Why do homosexuals and transgenders force religious people to accept them?

[Jumi]

People like gays lesbians and transgenders should be separated from natural or straight people otherwise there will certainly be a distinction for mankind as there are no natural marriage to give birth naturally

I think you are confused about what is natural and what is not.

 

[MysticSang'ha]

Another member with a Muslim name making an extremely hateful statement about homosexual and transgendered people.

I think Sam Harris was absolutely right. There's a genuine clash of civilizations between the civilized world and the Muslim one, and certain religions are indeed a threat to civilization. We would be deluding ourselves to pretend otherwise.

Culture dictates above reason and compassion, many times that is. We have particular taboos that take generations upon generations to dismantle.

When a culture is looked at as being "feminized", and particularly as a negativism if it's looked at in that way, it means that it considers taboo to fail to dominate, take control, or be penetrated in some way. It's deeply misogynistic, and homophobic in the sense that it equates same sex attraction with the taboo of being penetrated (only women should take that because it's how they should be seen...to be claimed and invaded).

It's not just theocratic or dominantly legalistic Muslim cultures, but can be found in Papua New Guinea, in conservative Christian circles, and in Latin Catholic circles. Watch out for those cultures that deem procreation - or "quiverfull" Duggar family styled communities - to be the highest order...to produce their own "army" so to speak of their culture/religion.

That being said, DS, I feel ya.

 

[gsa]

For those who believe that homosexuality is a choice, and an abominable choice at that (because it isn't missionary-position, cisgender, procreative sex with a young fertile woman happy to pop out as many babies as her patriarch wishes for himself)...then I think that's a viable underlying assumption.

Well kind of...if you assume that it is tempting. I mean, you would have to assume that many, many people (a majority of males at any rate) are tempted to have sex with people of their own gender to the exclusion of having heterosexual intercourse.

Every once in a while Christian right wing extremists entertain this idea. I suppose in highly gender segregated societies, where homosexuality is officially prosecuted but where de facto tolerance and promotion of same-sex relations as an alternative to heterosexual outlets rules the day, there is a grain of truth to it.

 

[Storm]

People like gays lesbians and transgenders should be separated from natural or straight people otherwise there will certainly be a distinction for mankind as there are no natural marriage to give birth naturally

Nah. I say we throw all the bigots in the leper colonies. Then the decent people can go about building a functional world while you lot learn to deal with the idea that people are different. Or kill each other off, whichever.

 

[MysticSang'ha]

Well kind of...if you assume that it is tempting. I mean, you would have to assume that many, many people (a majority of males at any rate) are tempted to have sex with people of their own gender to the exclusion of having heterosexual intercourse.

I think that's precisely what homophobes claim.

Every once in a while Christian right wing extremists entertain this idea. I suppose in highly gender segregated societies, where homosexuality is officially prosecuted but where de facto tolerance and promotion of same-sex relations as an alternative to heterosexual outlets rules the day, there is a grain of truth to it.

Well, why else would the "love the sinner, hate the sin" or "homosexual behavior" rhetoric be plastered over their banners in favor of exclusion? To them, it's sinful, it's a choice, it most certainly has nothing to do with a person's identity. It's equated with alcoholism, pedophilia, bestiality, homicide, you name it.

 

[Storm]

Another member with a Muslim name making an extremely hateful statement about homosexual and transgendered people.

I think Sam Harris was absolutely right. There's a genuine clash of civilizations between the civilized world and the Muslim one, and certain religions are indeed a threat to civilization. We would be deluding ourselves to pretend otherwise.

I don't believe that, love, not for a second. There is a clash between (increasingly) radical fundamentalism and everyone else, but that's not unique or universal to any faith.

The Islamic variety is the greatest threat, I grant. But no honest student of history can deny that that's largely due to the backlash against a long and brutal history of political conquest and machinations that have nothing to do with any faith tradition.

 

[muhammad ariki]

I think you are confused about what is natural and what is not.

Oh dear natural is natural
You think being a gay or a lesbian or whatever of that stuff is natural ?
That is a disaster .
How did your father and Mather do to give your birth ? Were they gay and lesbian? Sorry for my language but the reality prevail
So please my friend don't mix the right and wrong and rationalize that dirty ( I would say ) acts

 

[gsa]

I think that's precisely what homophobes claim.

I think some homophobes make that claim, but I think that many others believe that the majority of people find homosexuality disgusting, and that justifies homophobic policies.

Agreed on the rest.

 

[Debater Slayer]

Culture dictates above reason and compassion, many times that is. We have particular taboos that take generations upon generations to dismantle.

When a culture is looked at as being "feminized", and particularly as a negativism if it's looked at in that way, it means that it considers taboo to fail to dominate, take control, or be penetrated in some way. It's deeply misogynistic, and homophobic in the sense that it equates same sex attraction with the taboo of being penetrated (only women should take that because it's how they should be seen...to be claimed and invaded).

It's not just theocratic or dominantly legalistic Muslim cultures, but can be found in Papua New Guinea, in conservative Christian circles, and in Latin Catholic circles. Watch out for those cultures that deem procreation - or "quiverfull" Duggar family styled communities - to be the highest order...to produce their own "army" so to speak of their culture/religion.

That being said, DS, I feel ya.

I don't believe that, love, not for a second. There is a clash between (increasingly) radical fundamentalism and everyone else, but that's not unique or universal to any faith.

The Islamic variety is the greatest threat, I grant. But no honest student of history can deny that that's largely due to the backlash against a long and brutal history of political conquest and machinations that have nothing to do with any faith tradition.

I don't disagree with any of the above, but I could quote tons of religious texts from more than one Islamic sect that support my earlier statement. Homophobia exists in different cultures, sure, but I have no doubt that certain strains of religious belief encourage and fuel it a lot more than others, and I don't think we can or should overlook the effect those strains of religion belief have on shaping the cultures they permeate.

 

[Debater Slayer]

Oh dear natural is natural
You think being a gay or a lesbian or whatever of that stuff is natural ?
That is a disaster .
How did your father and Mather do to give your birth ? Were they gay and lesbian? Sorry for my language but the reality prevail
So please my friend don't mix the right and wrong and rationalize that dirty ( I would say ) acts

Here's an article containing a good amount of information on homosexuality in nature:

Homosexual behavior in animals - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

I used to think it was unnatural too, but the evidence I read about convinced me otherwise. I recommend reading more on biological explanations as to why homosexuality exists and how much it is found in nature.

Edit: I honestly mean no offense: If you have any problems understanding any parts of the article due to the language barrier, let me know and I'll try to translate them for you. You will probably come across some relatively rare terms there (as the article deals with a scientific topic), which is why I thought language might be an issue.

 

[Debater Slayer]

The truth of the matter, which I have said before, is that not everyone is going to accept everyone else. Not everyone accepts me; because of my personality, because of my belief systems, because of my looks, because I am 1/2 Native American. I've had people disgusted with me because I don't party and get drunk (you are boring if you don't party, they say). I've had people I don't know give me dirty looks in public, heaven knows why. I had some very racist people call me a sp** (I look Hispanic, on one occasion I let it hurt me).
I can accept that not everyone is going to like and/or accept me, what I don't accept is any kind of harassment. No one else appreciates harassment, either. Persecution, abuse, harassment, etc. are a sign of intolerance. Acceptance is not the same as tolerance. Tolerance is the putting up with something even if you don't like it. I accept nonacceptance yet I don't accept intolerance.

I find it quite interesting that you keep posting in these threads to point out things like the above—which I haven't seen anyone here argue against, by the way—instead of condemning the homophobic and hateful statements. If you don't want to give a particular impression, then maybe you should think about what is giving people that impression when they read what you say.

 

[Iti oj]

We're not built for baby-making, in spite of what any deity or evolutionary biologist might think. Behold the phenomenon of a sexually active post-menopausal woman!

And....bisexuals? How about us?

(notice a pattern here folks)

Or the sex drive of an already pregnant women.

 

[ChristineES]

I find it quite interesting that you keep posting in these threads to point out things like the above—which I haven't seen anyone here argue against, by the way—instead of condemning the homophobic and hateful statements. If you don't want to give a particular impression, then maybe you should think about what is giving people that impression when they read what you say.

I did condemn intolerance at the end of it.

 

[Debater Slayer]

I did condemn intolerance at the end of it.

Yeah, in the very last sentence of a rather long post pointing out that "not everyone is going to accept everyone"... in a thread that is 8 pages long with many blatantly homophobic and hateful posts.

 

[SkepticThinker]

Oh dear natural is natural
You think being a gay or a lesbian or whatever of that stuff is natural ?
That is a disaster .
How did your father and Mather do to give your birth ? Were they gay and lesbian? Sorry for my language but the reality prevail
So please my friend don't mix the right and wrong and rationalize that dirty ( I would say ) acts

My cousin is a lesbian and gave birth to a baby girl last year. Hmmmm.

 

[ChristineES]

I find it quite interesting that you keep posting in these threads to point out things like the above—which I haven't seen anyone here argue against, by the way—instead of condemning the homophobic and hateful statements. If you don't want to give a particular impression, then maybe you should think about what is giving people that impression when they read what you say.

I attack ALL intolerance. I have been the victim of racism. My people, the Native Americans were forced of their own land, and killed. People are being beheaded, and maimed, watching their families be killed.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

They have the right to believe that islam is evil.
But it will be different if they attack muslims. Then in that case Allah permitted muslims to self defence.

No need to get all defensive over it. Unless you really push buttons and provoke, you're not likely to be attacked.

I think clearly we have the freedom to denounce homosexuality and not see it equal to believers. Neither do we believe that believers and unbelievers are equal.
If we believe that, we become disbelievers in our own religion.

Now, this is truly something. I "follow the devil," and because I see his sacrifice and gift that is equally bestowed upon everyone, we are all equals.
It seems Satan is more kind than what your particular views of god and your religion allow for.

 

[MysticSang'ha]

I think some homophobes make that claim, but I think that many others believe that the majority of people find homosexuality disgusting, and that justifies homophobic policies.

Agreed on the rest.

That's fair. I can see that.

 

[Debater Slayer]

I attack ALL intolerance. I have been the victim of racism. My people, the Native Americans were forced of their own land, and killed. People are being beheaded, and maimed, watching their families be killed.

I'm sorry you've been through that. Again, though, nobody has denied any of the above. My points have to do with something else.

 

[ChristineES]

Yeah, at the very last sentence of a rather long post pointing out that "not everyone is going to accept everyone"... in a thread that is 8 pages long with many blatantly homophobic and hateful posts.

I am tired of people telling me how I should post. It's the truth I posted. Why would I try to change the mind of someone? People hate each other all over the world. People are being beheaded, maimed, shot, etc. My daughter right now is in the hospital because she couldn't take the bullying anymore at her school.
We should be preaching about ALL INTOLERANCE and not picking and choosing which is worst.