Why do many Muslims believe that God wants them to injure, kill, or imprison homosexuals?

[no-body]

of course, by considering a 14 year old an adult, he/she must straight away get married. there are no other important things in life other than just marriage wich can only be acheived by becoming an adult, like getting a licence, having more control over your life etc. this topic is really showing how ignorant you guys can be if you really want to. to prove my point, i will wait for your reply.

Autodidact keeps circling around it for you, but you keep missing the point. It doesn't matter if the 14 year old has a choice or not. The cultural, psychological and religious holds in her mind aren't going to let her show her true feelings if her parents and community really want her to marry. You can call a child an adult all you want but it doesn't make it so.

 

[Gharib]

Let's just review your point. Since people can't consent to being conceived, young children should be able to consent to having sex with adults? That's your argument? Wait--are you Catholic?

thank you for dodging my questions.

No thanks. Not interested in being tested. Let me know if you have a point.

the point is, you know nothing about the islamic perspective of polygamy.

Fascinating and irrelevant to this thread. Your point is that under Islam, a 12-year old girl who has gone through puberty is old enough to consent to marriage. We get it. We understand. And, of course, we have our opinions about that doctrine. Personally, I find it abhorrent, like much of so-called Islamic "morals." I think children should reach adulthood before they can consent to marry. But then, I'm not Muslim.

interesting, according to whose standards and worldly views do we consider one an adult? in some countries an 18 year old is an adult while in some a 21 year old is an adult. so who gets to decide, you?

 

[Gharib]

Autodidact keeps circling around it for you, but you keep missing the point. It doesn't matter if the 14 year old has a choice or not. The cultural, psychological and religious holds in her mind aren't going to let her show her true feelings if her parents and community really want her to marry. You can call a child an adult all you want but it doesn't make it so.

what the hell does the community have to do with someone getting married?
why not go further and say the whole country is pressuring for the marriage.

as i have already said, if someone at 14 is called an adult there are other important things which can be gained by being an adult. marriage doesn't have to be braught up on ones birthday, or better yet, the childs present from the parents doesn't have to be a granfather proposing marriage. can you please all take a step back and see how immature some of your posts are (not you specifically no-body)

 

[Gharib]

What cracks me up is that eselam is saying, basically, homosexuality is bad, because Islam condemns it, but pedophilia is good, because Islam permits it. Sorry, eselam, pedophilia is bad whether Islam permits it or not. If Islam permits it, then Islam is bad.

islam does not allow pedophilia, you are one big liar, quote my words were i specifically said islam permits pedophilia. all words included.

 

[Autodidact]

thank you for dodging my questions.

Oh sorry, no and no.

the point is, you know nothing about the islamic perspective of polygamy.

Well tell us all about it then. Are you trying to argue that it is equal? My point is that it is not.

interesting, according to whose standards and worldly views do we consider one an adult? in some countries an 18 year old is an adult while in some a 21 year old is an adult. so who gets to decide, you?

Yes, and in some backward Islamic countries, a 12-year old is considered an adult, at least for sexual purposes. (I doubt that they're allowed to drive or sign contracts. Are they?) Isn't that awful?

 

[no-body]

what the hell does the community have to do with someone getting married?
why not go further and say the whole country is pressuring for the marriage.

It's not about a specific marriage but about the pressures that the community and country put on the weight of the parents opinion. Would you disagree with your parents if you are thought from birth that it is better not to?

as i have already said, if someone at 14 is called an adult there are other important things which can be gained by being an adult. marriage doesn't have to be braught up on ones birthday, or better yet, the childs present from the parents doesn't have to be a granfather proposing marriage. can you please all take a step back and see how immature some of your posts are (not you specifically no-body)

You still don't understand what this is really about.

 

[berrychrisc]

I call Saudi Arabia a progressive country compared to Iran.

That's not saying much.

 

[Autodidact]

islam does not allow pedophilia, you are one big liar, quote my words were i specifically said islam permits pedophilia. all words included.

Did I misunderstand you? Didn't you say that Islam considers a girl as an adult for sexual purposes as soon as she reaches puberty? We have a word for that. We call it, "pedophilia."

 

[Gharib]

Did I misunderstand you? Didn't you say that Islam considers a girl as an adult for sexual purposes as soon as she reaches puberty? We have a word for that. We call it, "pedophilia."

show me my exact words where i said a girl is considered mature for sexual purposes as soon as she reaches puberty? show me that sentence.

a girl is considered an adult for many reasons, that may include mariage, but she doesn't have to marry at that age if she doesn't want to. clear now?

 

[Autodidact]

show me my exact words where i said a girl is considered mature for sexual purposes as soon as she reaches puberty? show me that sentence.

a girl is considered an adult for many reasons, that may include mariage, but she doesn't have to marry at that age if she doesn't want to. clear now?

Here's what you said:

do you even know that in islam a child who reaches puberty is considered an adult, like an 18 or 21 year old is?

btw, I've asked you several times, is an 11-year old girl who has reached puberty permitted to drive, vote and sign contracts? (That is, in those Muslim countries where women are allowed to do these things)

 

[Gharib]

Here's what you said:

i don't see the words mature to have sex, do you?

btw, I've asked you several times, is an 11-year old girl who has reached puberty permitted to drive, vote and sign contracts? (That is, in those Muslim countries where women are allowed to do these things)

obviously she can sign a contract, marriage in islam involves a contract.

i do not have any link to post in regards to the other 2. so i do not know.

 

[no-body]

i don't see the words mature to have sex, do you?



obviously she can sign a contract, marriage in islam involves a contract.

i do not have any link to post in regards to the other 2. so i do not know.

Simple black-and-white thinking at it's finest. I don't think you'll ever understand. It doesn't matter how pedantic you are with the words, the letter of the law allows for exploitation no matter how many "buts" People are not literal automatons.

 

[Autodidact]

i don't see the words mature to have sex, do you?

Isn't that what we're talking about here? You have me completely confused. Aren't you saying that in Islam, a child past puberty is considered an adult and able to enter into marriage?

obviously she can sign a contract, marriage in islam involves a contract.

What about other legal contracts? Can a minor who has passed puberty sign a legal contract with another party?

i do not have any link to post in regards to the other 2. so i do not know.

You don't know what the voting age is in Saudi Arabia and other Muslim countries?

 

[.lava]

Isn't that what we're talking about here? You have me completely confused. Aren't you saying that in Islam, a child past puberty is considered an adult and able to enter into marriage?

is that what you think? when do boys reach puberty exactly?

in Islam each human who reach age 14 is considered as a human being who's responsible of his or her actions. whatever applies to me would apply to them too. they would be hold responsible for performing salaats or not. but age of marriage is most likely change from one nation to another, it even changes from one area to another. age younger than 14 could not be hold responsible of anything, let alone taking responsibility of marriage

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[Moonstone]

in Islam each human who reach age 14 is considered as a human being who's responsible of his or her actions. whatever applies to me would apply to them too. .

Are you saying that in Islam, anyone over 14 is prosocuted as an adult? Maybe I understood wrong, but the brain doesn't even stop growing until age 18 or 20? Not sure but it's def. not age 14. Anyways that's off topic but I was only curious.

 

[.lava]

Are you saying that in Islam, anyone over 14 is prosocuted as an adult? Maybe I understood wrong, but the brain doesn't even stop growing until age 18 or 20? Not sure but it's def. not age 14. Anyways that's off topic but I was only curious.

i don't know about brain but i know that your ears won't stop growing till you die
14 (some say end of 14=15) years old is where responsibility begins as a person. that age is considered as an age where one begins to make his choices, he can calculate, consider and he can distingish between right and wrong. he would be hold responsible for practices of Islam such as salaat. that's what i mean. i don't mean legal age if that's what you're asking. in here legal age is 18. but as a Muslim, age 14 is old enough to start performing daily practices

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[JMorris]

I don't appreciate your accusations. No body has appointed us to attack sinners. You got the wrong idea about us.

if anyone has given me the "wrong" idea about muslims it would be muslims. you being one of them. if that is something you dont appreciate then thats too bad. stop defending murder and ill think more highly of you and your group.

 

[JMorris]

I call Saudi Arabia a progressive country compared to Iran.

I disagree much, I believe the opposite is true.

which is blacker, the pot or the kettle?

 

[JMorris]

thanks for your input. btw muslims aren't the people who say drugs are forbiden and then make them very accesible to everyone.

right, drugs are worse than murder. i do however think drugs should be legal. im sure in your eyes that makes me morally inferior, as you defend murder and oppression inspired by your petty little religion.

 

[Gharib]

right, drugs are worse than murder. i do however think drugs should be legal. im sure in your eyes that makes me morally inferior, as you defend murder and oppression inspired by your petty little religion.

no provoking people is worse than murder. you make drugs availabe and consider them illegal. i'd say you guys have problems, can't go one day without torturing someone so drugs is the new best thing to imprison large scales of people for a crime that the governemt is responsible.