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Why do people believe what they believe?

an anarchist

Your local loco.
Why are you keen for me to call you a liar?
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I literally said the opposite.

My point is people believe they have experiences with the “Holy Spirit” or “God” and that serves as justification in the individual’s eyes to believe in what they believe. My experiences used to be the backbone of my faith.

Is experience and perception both fallible and questionable? I think so, so I don’t use my “experience” with God as talking points when trying to show my religion is “true”.
 

Tony B

Member
??

I literally said the opposite.

My point is people believe they have experiences with the “Holy Spirit” or “God” and that serves as justification in the individual’s eyes to believe in what they believe. My experiences used to be the backbone of my faith.
Sure, and the devil is the counterfit king in this world.
Is experience and perception both fallible and questionable? I think so, so I don’t use my “experience” with God as talking points when trying to show my religion is “true”.
What you do is up to you, how do you suppose I justify/explain my faith by avoiding the greatest thing that ever happened to me about that faith, or anything for that matter?
 

Tony B

Member
I didn’t say that, what I said was-

Love is love is love.

These words are my Bible. They run deep and are all encompassing. I have yet to grasp and understand the phrase myself.
I can answer that for you, it is meaningless without context. A serial killer can use it to justify his actions, it has no moral or ethical basis.
 

Kathryn

It was on fire when I laid down on it.
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I literally said the opposite.

My point is people believe they have experiences with the “Holy Spirit” or “God” and that serves as justification in the individual’s eyes to believe in what they believe. My experiences used to be the backbone of my faith.

Is experience and perception both fallible and questionable? I think so, so I don’t use my “experience” with God as talking points when trying to show my religion is “true”.
But I bet you use them to try to justify your own faith.
 

an anarchist

Your local loco.
It's personal, those close to me know, it's not going to make any difference to anyone else on here, nor am I unique in this respect.
Aye I empathize. I don’t/can’t share my experiences in detail. And ultimately testimonies shared on a forum can be perceived as simply words to many.

I’ll just once again iterate that I believe perception is fallible and experiences should be questioned. I’ve seen God face to face but that is not why I believe anymore nor is it a valid reason for me to believe.
 

Kathryn

It was on fire when I laid down on it.
Aye I empathize. I don’t/can’t share my experiences in detail. And ultimately testimonies shared on a forum can be perceived as simply words to many.

I’ll just once again iterate that I believe perception is fallible and experiences should be questioned. I’ve seen God face to face but that is not why I believe anymore nor is it a valid reason for me to believe.
I personally believe we'd be remiss to discard personal experiences.
 

Tony B

Member
Aye I empathize. I don’t/can’t share my experiences in detail. And ultimately testimonies shared on a forum can be perceived as simply words to many.

I’ll just once again iterate that I believe perception is fallible and experiences should be questioned. I’ve seen God face to face but that is not why I believe anymore nor is it a valid reason for me to believe.
I'd say a 1:1 with God is about as much justification as you could ever ask for.
 

Tony B

Member
Use the whole universe and the totality of your experiences as context :cool:
I'm a detail kind of guy, vague flim flammery doesn't really cut it for me I'm afraid, this also makes it very easy for me to rule out most faiths (prior to my visit from the Holy Spirit).
 

an anarchist

Your local loco.
I'd say a 1:1 with God is about as much justification as you could ever ask for.
Yes, I used to think so too. I’ve already reiterated my stance though why I don’t think so anymore. I suppose I didn’t go too much in depth of why I believe perception is questionable. But I think I can leave this at that.
 

Tony B

Member
Yes, I used to think so too. I’ve already reiterated my stance though why I don’t think so anymore. I suppose I didn’t go too much in depth of why I believe perception is questionable. But I think I can leave this at that.
In my own experience God doesn't leave any room for doubts on this matter.
 

an anarchist

Your local loco.
I personally believe we'd be remiss to discard personal experiences.
I suppose you are right. I’m thinking about it right now, and I guess I just do what “feels” right experientially. It is grounded in personal experience, but I suppose the key difference I have in my perspective is that personal experience is a fallible method of acquiring knowledge.
 
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