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Why do so many need a god ?.

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Mr. Beebe

Active Member
Carlita said:
I don't like saying "my belief is the Truth and everyone else is false." That mentality doesn't make sense to me.
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I wouldn't adhere to a religion/belief system that I thought was flawed or didn't have all the truth. That would mean that I would settle for something less than the best.

Who in their right mind says,,"I'm a Baptist,, but I realize they are wrong on many doctrinal issues."???????

My belief isn't the truth because I like it best. It is the truth because God says it's the truth. So,, I accept it. God sets the parameters for our worship and what is truth. The Creation is not capable of setting it's own course, for man errs. That's why God has given us the Law,, so that we may know what sin is.

Without the 10 Commandments of the Bible,,we wouldn't know what sin is. You think this world is in bad shape now,, wait til they toss God's law completely out. And they
 
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Mr. Beebe

Active Member
buddhist said:
I'm not sure I follow. How exactly is the "Sabbath" evidence of the "seal of God"?
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Well,, not sure where you are at,, but I'm in the USA. We have states,, each state has it's own government, with a governor at it's head. For example,, Ohio is a State and it's Governor is John Kasich. The Governor has a Stamp or Seal that he uses on all his legal papers, letterhead, ect... On that Seal it gives the Name of the Governor,, which in this case is John Kasich,, along with the area of his jurisdiction, which is all the state of Ohio. The stamp is called, "The Great Seal of the state of Ohio"

In God's Sabbath Commandment,, we find that He is the Creator, and that His jurisdiction is heaven and earth. There-in is the Seal of God.
 
buddhist

buddhist

Well-Known Member
Mr. Beebe said:
Well,, not sure where you are at,, but I'm in the USA. We have states,, each state has it's own government, with a governor at it's head. For example,, Ohio is a State and it's Governor is John Kasich. The Governor has a Stamp or Seal that he uses on all his legal papers, letterhead, ect... On that Seal it gives the Name of the Governor,, which in this case is John Kasich,, along with the area of his jurisdiction, which is all the state of Ohio. The stamp is called, "The Great Seal of the state of Ohio"

In God's Sabbath Commandment,, we find that He is the Creator, and that His jurisdiction is heaven and earth. There-in is the Seal of God.
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Where in the Sabbath commandment does it say "Seal of God"?
 
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Unveiled Artist

Veteran Member
Mr. Beebe said:
I wouldn't adhere to a religion/belief system that I thought was flawed or didn't have all the truth. That would mean that I would settle for something less than the best.

Who in their right mind says,,"I'm a Baptist,, but I realize they are wrong on many doctrinal issues."???????

My belief isn't the truth because I like it best. It is the truth because God says it's the truth. So,, I accept it. God sets the parameters for our worship and what is truth. The Creation is not capable of setting it's own course, for man errs. That's why God has given us the Law,, so that we may know what sin is.

Without the 10 Commandments of the Bible,,we wouldn't know what sin is. You think this world is in bad shape now,, wait til they toss God's law completely out. And they
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Yeah. That is why, in my opinion only, I left Christianity. I could not lie to myself and to others thinking there is a god when there is not. I'm happy with pagan/native practices and I know that these practices and Buddhist morals are the truth. So, when I look back on Christianity, I know my experiences were not terrible. I don't hate Christianity. I just can't lie to myself.

What bothers me with, I'll say some, Christians is instead of saying "This is my belief that God is real" they say "This is fact, god is real"

and the rest of us from Hindu to, I don't know, Surani look at that Christian and think "wait, that's not a fact. When were we aware that this applied to us?"

It reminds me of the inquisition where Christians and pagans killed each other. I mean, even in the domination/school of Buddhism I used to practice, they were more evangalistic than Christians. They counted numbers to see how many people joined the temple. They pushed for me to receive the object of worship (the Gohonzon), and practically pushed me to where I said no and left.

It's like a protestant and his view of the Catholic Church. Same thing. Political and all.

For me, I never say "the Law IS the truth" it is. I know. However, I can kinda feel you right now quiver thinking no, the bible is the truth.

I don't like to do that to people...make people defensive about their own beliefs all because I want to say "this is a fact"

Is it necessary to state my beliefs to belittle others beliefs? Is it right to not look into another person's shoes?

Well, a Boddhisattva takes the sufferings of others and leads them to enlightenment before himself. If I compared that to Jesus, I'm sure Jesus suffered for others rather than thinking of himself. He didn't put himself up high and walked as if he was the "king of the world". Anyway, enough of that.

I think you get what I'm saying?

We have different mindsets.
 
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Mr. Beebe

Active Member
buddhist said:
Where in the Sabbath commandment does it say "Seal of God"?
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Like I said,, it is in the Sabbath Commandment, that we find God is the Creator, that He his jurisdiction is both heaven and earth. those who honor the Sabbath Commandment receive the Seal of God.

Once you understand what the Seal of God is,, you can then understand what the Mark of the Beast is.

I showed you a comparison between a state seal and God's seal. if you can't make the connection,, not much more I can do to help you.
 
psychoslice

psychoslice

Veteran Member
Mr. Beebe said:
Like I said,, it is in the Sabbath Commandment, that we find God is the Creator, that He his jurisdiction is both heaven and earth. those who honor the Sabbath Commandment receive the Seal of God.

Once you understand what the Seal of God is,, you can then understand what the Mark of the Beast is.

I showed you a comparison between a state seal and God's seal. if you can't make the connection,, not much more I can do to help you.
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This is what I was conditioned to believe when I was a SDA.
 
allfoak

allfoak

Alchemist
Carlita said:
What do you see in front of you that makes tou think it's, say God of Abraham and not God of Hinduism? How do you know if it's not Ordin rather than a personfication of the natural force that keeps us alive?

How do you differientate what you see in front of you as god?
Also, why would you expect others to see what you see given they are not you?
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While it is true that God can be found in all things, what is most in front of us is ourselves.
It is the truth within ourselves that we seek, but I cannot tell someone how they must live their life.
The choices belong to us alone.

When i speak of God i do not differentiate.
All gods are one God and God is in all things.

God is not about belief.
We can't make God exist or not exist with our belief or unbelief.
God exists apart from what people believe.
And people's beliefs will not get them condemned, we are entitled to believe what we choose.

Belief, non belief, it is all about growing up.
All of the debate, argument, even the killing is about humanity learning who we are and why we exist.
We are all moving from the Alpha of ignorance to the Omega of knowing.

Man has an eternal soul, which makes us and God an intimate part of it all.
God is in us and everything else, this is what makes him so hard to find.
It is hard to find something that is everywhere, this is why we must begin with ourselves.

God is truth, light and love.
If we look for these things within ourselves we will begin to see God everywhere.
 
Neo Deist

Neo Deist

Th.D. & D.Div. h.c.
Thana said:
I am weak.
I really am. I'm tempted easily, I have no self-control and I lie a lot. I'm super selfish and a total procrastinator.

I'm not ashamed to admit I'm weak. We all are, the only difference is that I acknowledge it and seek help. I need God because I'm not arrogant enough to live without Him. And that's not a criticism by the way.

You can live without God I'm sure, but I can't. Or more to point, I won't. If that makes you look down on me, so be it. I'll keep doing it anyway because it's everything to me. He's everything to me and my life is better because of Him, I am better because of Him.
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Or you could just pray to God and ask Him to remove your weaknesses, because according to Matthew 21:22 - "If you believe, you will receive whatever you ask for in prayer."

If your prayer is not answered, even though you believed, well then obviously something is wrong.

My philosophy professor when I was in college gave us (Christians) a challenge: have a day of prayer for world peace. Every Christian on the planet would pray on a given day at the same time for world peace, and then wait to see what happens. Given the state of the Middle East (much less L.A., Chicago or Detroit) it was obvious that prayer would not do a damn thing toward that end. Obviously, Matthew 21:22 is not meant to be literal...so what good is it?

It certainly did not work when my 48 year old sister was dying of cancer.
 
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Mr. Beebe

Active Member
psychoslice said:
This is what I was conditioned to believe when I was a SDA.
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lol,,, You were taught the truth. If you weren't,,your post would have reflected the reasoning of why the teaching is wrong. Instead, you can only insinuate that you were brain-washed into some kind of wrong thinking. And if you can't see that God's credentials are in His 4th Commandment,,,,that's not my fault.
 
Thana

Thana

Lady
Neo Deist said:
Or you could just pray to God and ask Him to remove your weaknesses, because according to Matthew 21:22 - "If you believe, you will receive whatever you ask for in prayer."

If your prayer is not answered, even though you believed, well then obviously something is wrong.

My philosophy professor when I was in college gave us (Christians) a challenge: have a day of prayer for world peace. Every Christian on the planet would pray on a given day at the same time for world peace, and then wait to see what happens. Given the state of the Middle East (much less L.A., Chicago or Detroit) it was obvious that prayer would not do a damn thing toward that end. Obviously, Matthew 21:22 is not meant to be literal...so what good is it?

It certainly did not work when my 48 year old sister was dying of cancer.
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Why do I meet so many people who diss prayer just because God didn't cater to their every whim?

Faith is a process that doesn't end until you die. God would have known you were going to give up, so why would you think that the Matthew verse still applied to you?

And why would He give us world peace when He's not the one who caused the world's unrest? He gave us Earth and dominion over it so it's our responsibility, not His. Our failures are our own.
 
LuisDantas

LuisDantas

Aura of atheification
Premium Member
Becoming a non-believer is "giving up on God"?

Not by my understanding of "to give up".
 
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