Why do some atheists have to be so insulting and mean?

[12jtartar]

Why do some atheists have to be so insulting and mean? I am a believer and I do not ever insult atheists; in fact I tell them their lack of belief is just as rational as my beliefs since nobody can prove there is a God. I never threaten them with hell because I do not even believe in hell.

But I constantly have to defend myself from being call brainwashed and stupid and having dumb arguments, just because I believe in God and have a religion that is different from Christianity, a religion they do not know how to refute. Nobody deserves to be treated this way.

If atheists want to say they need no God for morality then some of them are not doing a very good job of demonstrating that with their air of superiority, arrogance, and rude behavior, not to mention dishonesty, lack of self-awareness and unjust treatment of others.

I am not referring to any atheists in this forum. They have been more than civil and respectful and kind.

I am being called stupid but I am not stupid. I went to college for over 15 years and I have several degrees, two advanced. But I am called stupid because my degrees are not in science subjects, because I do not know a lot about history. So what? What is more important, how much one knows or how they treat their fellow man?

Trailblazer,
Atheists,
Atheists don’t believe in a God, so they believe that will not be judged on their actions. This leaves them open to do what they want to do, whenever they want to do it, with no ramifications.
Boy, are they in for a big surprise???

 

[Bob the Unbeliever]

Trailblazer,
Atheists,
Atheists don’t believe in a God, so they believe that will not be judged on their actions. This leaves them open to do what they want to do, whenever they want to do it, with no ramifications.
Boy, are they in for a big surprise???

And there you have it..... full circle, if you will, why some atheists seem to be so mean...

I mean, it doesn't get any more insulting, than to judge a person after they have died. And to assume that they will be tortured (or simply be judged) by some beast-god, for all of eternity, simply because of a failure to believe in said god, due to a complete lack of rational evidence.

*sigh*

 

[Bob the Unbeliever]

Trailblazer,
Atheists,
Atheists don’t believe in a God, so they believe that will not be judged on their actions. This leaves them open to do what they want to do, whenever they want to do it, with no ramifications.
Boy, are they in for a big surprise???

And this? Is even more insultingly patronizing.

I mean... seriously? The too quick assumption of automatic immoral behavior unless some Sky Genie is watching over every single move they make?

Really.

That's how you want to play this game?

Let me tell you this, then: you are literally frightening to these same atheists. We worry that the *only* thing keeping you from losing it, and going on a rampage, is your firm belief that there IS a Sky Genie watching your every move.... !!

What happens if you ever experience a Crisis Of Faith? Will you fill your ammo-belt, and go off on a shooting spree?

 

[12jtartar]

My question would be why are you announcing to them you belief in Religion and God. I go to church every week and never has an atheist seek me out and insult me. I hardly ever talk about my religion outside of work and a debate forum because I realize others may be put off by it. I also realize that when other people don't want to talk about things they can be mean because it works. When your mean to others they go away and don't come back. Usually it works like this, they start of politely. I don't wish to talk about this. The other person doesn't take the hint. They then reply I am not religious and don't believe in religion. The other person now believes there is a challenge to win. The person then gets mean. Some have gone through this a million times already and are mean just from the start. I would recommend if you want people to stop criticizing your religion stop broadcasting it.

bobhikes,
A very important point that anyone thinking that they are Christian.
One of the very important reasons for Christianity is to learn first, then teach otters about the only way to Salvation. This is one of the most important things that Jesus was sent to earth for, to teach the way to Salvation. Jesus taught the Golden Rule; do to people as you want them to do to you, Matthew 7:12. Christians would be known by the love they show, John 13:34,35. Now, if you know something that would save the life of your neighbor, would it show love, if you just kept quiet and let him die, while you are saved but what you know, or would that be doing to your neighbor what you would want him to do to you?
It is just like back in the Israelite days when they were commanded to teach their children; notice they were to get the things into their own hearts first, then teach their children, Deuteronomy 6:4-9.
The teaching is not a suggestion, it is an order, 1Timothy 4:10-16, 2Timoth 4:1-5.
When reading the Bible, have you noticed, everywhere Jesus went he taught, many when starting to speak to Jesus, started by calling him teacher, or Rabboni, Matthew 5:2, Luke 18:18, John 20:16. All Christians are told that we must follow Jesus’ footsteps 1Peter 2:21.
People sometimes find it hard to teach another person about the Bible, but if you study the Bible regularly, it will become to you, a Categorical Imperitive, you conscience will make you do it. And Nothing can make you happier than for someone to become your brother or sister, in the faith. Called Psychic Income! Agape!!!
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[Bob the Unbeliever]

People sometimes find it hard to teach another person about the Bible, but if you study the Bible regularly, it will become to you, a Categorical Imperitive, you conscience will make you do it. And Nothing can make you happier than for someone to become your brother or sister, in the faith. Called Psychic Income! Agape!!!
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Oh, I did. It's made me into the atheist I am today, in fact. Good to know!

 

[Milton Platt]

Why do some atheists have to be so insulting and mean? I am a believer and I do not ever insult atheists; in fact I tell them their lack of belief is just as rational as my beliefs since nobody can prove there is a God. I never threaten them with hell because I do not even believe in hell.

But I constantly have to defend myself from being call brainwashed and stupid and having dumb arguments, just because I believe in God and have a religion that is different from Christianity, a religion they do not know how to refute. Nobody deserves to be treated this way.

If atheists want to say they need no God for morality then some of them are not doing a very good job of demonstrating that with their air of superiority, arrogance, and rude behavior, not to mention dishonesty, lack of self-awareness and unjust treatment of others.

I am not referring to any atheists in this forum. They have been more than civil and respectful and kind.

I am being called stupid but I am not stupid. I went to college for over 15 years and I have several degrees, two advanced. But I am called stupid because my degrees are not in science subjects, because I do not know a lot about history. So what? What is more important, how much one knows or how they treat their fellow man?

Religion is a hot button topic and tempers can get the best of anyone. Rudeness happens from both sides of the discussion. Sometimes, on purpose, sometimes not. Even just stating a fact bluntly can sometimes appear rude when it wasn't meant that way.

Certainly, though, there is no reason to make personal attacks by calling someone stupid. The best defense is to just stay on topic and not be drawn into the name-calling. Or not have the discussion.

On the subject of your supposedly irrefutable god, there is no reason anyone has to present a refutation, unless you are inviting it by telling someone about your version of god.. If you never tell anyone about your god, then you will never be offended when someone pokes holes in your concepts. If you don't feel the need to convince anyone else that your god exists, then there is no reason to every mention it to anyone. If you feel compelled to tell people about your god, then they have every right to question the validity of your claim. But not to make personal attacks.

At the end of the day, the person making the claim has the burden of proof. Others are justified in their disbelief until you provide sufficient evidence to support the claim. Nobody can say with 100% certainty that a god does not exist, but the ones proposed thus far seem to lack sufficient evidence, or can often be shown to not exist as described.

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

Trailblazer,
Atheists,
Atheists don’t believe in a God, so they believe that will not be judged on their actions. This leaves them open to do what they want to do, whenever they want to do it, with no ramifications.
Boy, are they in for a big surprise???

You're the one making threats, but you think the atheists are the rude and arrogant ones?

 

[Revoltingest]

Atheists don’t believe in a God, so they believe that will not be judged on their actions. This leaves them open to do what they want to do, whenever they want to do it, with no ramifications.

The ramifications we face are in this world.
The only difference is that believers expect more later on.

 

[A Vestigial Mote]

Be that as it may, I still wonder why some vegans have to be so pompous and judgmental.

I could tell you... but then you'd have to eat nothing but vegetation for the rest of your life.

 

[Jayhawker Soule]

I could tell you... but then you'd have to eat nothing but vegetation for the rest of your life.

Wine is produced from grapes.

 

[ChristineM]

Trailblazer,
Atheists,
Atheists don’t believe in a God, so they believe that will not be judged on their actions. This leaves them open to do what they want to do, whenever they want to do it, with no ramifications.
Boy, are they in for a big surprise???

You seem need a god sitting on your shoulder to tell you how to behave , then make what is essentially irrelevant threats based on what is nothing more than faith based on fear.

Mean and insulting? Physician heal thyself

 

[Evangelicalhumanist]

Trailblazer,
Atheists,
Atheists don’t believe in a God, so they believe that will not be judged on their actions. This leaves them open to do what they want to do, whenever they want to do it, with no ramifications.
Boy, are they in for a big surprise???

This, of course, is not very accurate. I certainly believe I will be judged on my actions -- the ones that matter. I will judged by my peers, I will be judged by the law, I will be judged in so many ways (promotions, demotions at work, friendship or dismissal, where I fit in my various communities and constituencies, and so forth). I will even be judged by my own self -- because do not be deceived, atheists, like everyone else, have their standards and principles.

As an atheist, however, I do not believe for an instant that I will be "judged after I die" and sentenced or rewarded. That, to me, is simply an absurd notion. If there were a god, and if that god didn't like what I was doing because it was abhorrent or hurtful, the best time to stop it would be now, while I'm alive and still doing it. Otherwise, the hurt and abhorrence will just continue. This seems patently silly, to me.

On the other hand, let me point out what you have done -- you just issued "boy, are they in for a big surprise" the old threat. The old denunciation for what you don't even specify.

When I was growing up, I was a very troubled child, a ba***rd, illegitimate (yes, that's what the religious world called me -- as if my parentage were somehow my fault -- though trust me, I feel as legitimate as can be). Also, I am homosexual -- well, you can just guess what the religious around me said all those decades ago. I'd like to tell you, just in case you're not clear on it, that I was the butt of furious hatred, demonization and threats of law as well as hellfire.

And yet, because I'm an atheist, it's okay to call me "mean" and "insulting?" Curious, that.

 

[Trailblazer]

Some atheists are mean. Some theists are also mean. Some people are just mean.

That's true and thanks. I certainly do not believe it is because he is an atheist. He is just arrogant and has no compassion whatsoever. He can never admit he is wrong. What a way to live, blaming others for his mistakes.

 

[Trailblazer]

Dogmaticism and by association, elitism; in atheism tends to be the most popular form of atheism. While I used to be an atheist myself at one point, I can't help but find their ushering of secular reality tunnels to be more than ironic - not to mention that whatever their notions of God or the non-existence of a God, is assumed (and condescendingly) to be the most "logical" or "rational" belief about the nature of life and the universe.


(Keep in mind, we are talking here about a particular type of atheist.)

Thanks. Elitism: you are talking about the type of atheist that hurt me. I know all atheists are not like him. Thank God for that.

 

[wandering peacefully]

How else do Atheists know you are religious unless you engage them in some way. You can't tell if a person is atheist unless they tell you. An atheist can't tell your religious unless you tell them. There is no reason to engage a person in religion for friendly conversation. If perhaps you are interested in them for more personal reason's then you would probably engage in religion but you should know by then if they are arrogant.

I agree with your understanding that most people in real life don't go around "being mean to theists" because it just isn't something people go around discussing except in their own circles. Of course there are some cases of blatant proselytizing by over zealous people and usually one just walks away from such behavior. But I think she/he was talking about forums where discussing religions is the draw and often the topic. But even then why would someone want to engage people who they feel are being mean or rude? Why wouldn't one just ignore such a person and not allow their reactions to bother them?

It would seem to lump all atheists into a group because of some experience they had somewhere else is a bit childish and frankly arrogant. And it wouldn't even be relative to bring it up in a forum where supposedly there are no "mean atheists".

I wonder when someone complains in general about being mistreated by an entire group of people, what they are doing to contribute to the reactions they seem to be receiving?

Usually people like to say it isn't anything they are doing but the reactions they are getting says something different. But often we have a hard time seeing what it is we do that irritates others. Hopefully if not self-aware, people are at least open to suggestions as to why they are receiving negative attention from so many. But usually not, and they just continue to feed off negative attention and play a victim.

And as others have pointed out, there are mean people and there are nice people. It doesn't have a thing to do with what particular group one may or may not belong to.

So I just can't see the OP is a valid argument even in the forum world. Even if it is couched as "some atheists".

 

[Trailblazer]

People who throw the 'stupid' remark about have usually lost it by then, and if people can't respect others as a basic right then it's not worth bothering with them.

Yes, he lost it and he is not worth bothering with. All believers are stupid and brainwashed and belief is the lowest form of thought, said by the owner of a forum where insults are against the rules.

Edit: And science isn't everything - just a great deal.

It certainly does not help with morals though.

 

[Trailblazer]

It’s no kind of justification or excuse, but I think it’s highly likely that many of those atheists have been the target of exactly the same kind of thing from people who believe the same kind of things as you. It just becomes a literal vicious circle at that point.

This one hasn't. He is just arrogant. Arrogance leads to meanness when someone is called out for being wrong, especially when they have no evidence to prove accusations they are hurling. It is like a mean dog backed into a corner.

 

[Trailblazer]

My question would be why are you announcing to them you belief in Religion and God.

I was not announcing it. I was just talking about it, on a forum that calls itself a religious forum for BOTH believers and nonbelievers. What a farce. Believers cannot even talk about their beliefs unless they are Christians.

I would recommend if you want people to stop criticizing your religion stop broadcasting it.

I would never broadcast my religion. I was just "talking" about God on a religious forum run my an atheist, woe betide my error.

 

[lewisnotmiller]

First off, wholly unrelating to This, education doesn't make anyone wise and having some proves nothing.

Atheists tend to be arrogant, they believe their view of life is more rational and as such less vulnerable to defeat.

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48% of Australia claims no religion, (outnumbering the religious) and one in ten Australians declare themselves 'convinced atheists'.

So it would seem to be you're exhibiting rather than identifying arrogance.

Unless you feel qualified to judge Australia and Australians of course.

 

[lewisnotmiller]

This one hasn't. He is just arrogant. Arrogance leads to meanness when someone is called out for being wrong, especially when they have no evidence to prove accusations they are hurling. It is like a mean dog backed into a corner.

Some people are not nice. Atheism doesn't change that.
However I think it's fair to consider that people online often exhibit worse behaviour and manners than in person.
That's not an excuse (I personally find that abhorent) but it appears to be commonly true.