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Why do the Christians accuse Jesus of writing the NT Bible?

paarsurrey

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" Why do the Christians accuse Jesus of writing the NT Bible? "

#12 thread , " Nobel Prize for God "

qxxxxxxxxxxx said:

If Christian God (it means Holy Trinity) will become scientifically proven with Nobel Prize released,
will all humankind become Christians?

God is Dark Energy. Paradise is Dark Matter. Eternity is a Black Hole.

Paarsurrey wrote:

" God is Dark Energy. Paradise is Dark Matter. Eternity is a Black Hole "

Did (Jesus) Yeshua- the Israelite Messiah ever claim all the above, please ?
If he didn't claim them why make such tall claims, please?
Right?

Regards

#12 thread , " Nobel Prize for God "

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paarsurrey

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#76 , thread " Science-Religion separation "

quxxxxxxxxx said (Religion: Eastern Orthodox Christianity ):
You "know" that Jesus Christ is a "fraud", but do not know what happened to me? Why I am smart and religious.
Paarsurrey wrote:
Can't one give one's argument in a reasonable way instead of hurling accusation and or playing with " Jesus Christ" , Yeshua- the Israelite Messiah never gave such a teachings, please? Right?
Regards
Paarsurrey wrote:
(Jesus) Yeshua- the Israelite Messiah never spoke against Science, did he ever, please?
Did one ever use the qualifying adjective "fraud" against the Hellenist Paul, please? Right?
If yes, then kindly quote and or give its reference link, if one likes, please. Right?

Regards

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paarsurrey

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#21 ,thread,,Antichrist and Surviving Strategies

qxxxxxxxxx said:↑ , Religion: Eastern Orthodox Christianity
Thank you. Just for the public, not for you: in reality are people, Love. Hatred does not belong to realm. So, in Heaven there is source Father of that things: Human Jesus, and Spirit of Holiness and Love - Holy Spirit.

I have strange wiring in the head, and I often feel unwell. The result are my posts.
If Mr. Z is the Antichrist of the Bible, the strategy to deal with the beast is:
  1. Try to be his friend, and support his wars. This is the strategy of the EU.
  2. Fight him. This is the strategy of Russia.
Both ways lead to death by beheading.

But if you support Antichrist, it is you to blame.

All will die in any outcome, but it is you to blame.

So, the second strategy is the right one.

Correct?

"but they can't kill the beast!" (Hotel California)

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Paarsurrey wrote:

Just don't follow the creeds of the Hellenist- Paul and one would get saved and out of the influence of Anti-Christ, it transpires from the clues very much in the Gospels, please, right?
Following Yeshua- the Israelite Messiah, and or Second Coming 1835-1908 would lead you to the truthful path, one gets to know , please, right?

Regards

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paarsurrey

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#106 nxxxxxx lxxxxxxxx, Religion: JW, Question about paul and stephen.And the afterlife.For the Jehovah's Witnesses


nxxxxxx xxxxxxxxx said:
It’s nice to meet you too!
Saul desperately wanted to believe that it was Samuel and so let himself be deceived. Verse 3 says that Samuel was dead and buried. The scriptures quoted under the preceding subheading make clear that there was no part of Samuel that was alive in another realm and able to communicate with Saul. The voice that pretended to be that of Samuel was that of an impostor.

The truth about the condition of the dead is clearly stated in the Bible. But who tried to deceive the first human pair about death? Satan contradicted God’s warning that disobedience would bring death. (Gen. 3:4; Rev. 12:9) In time, of course, it became obvious that humans did die as God said they would. Reasonably, then, who was responsible for inventing the idea that humans really do not die but that some spirit part of man survives the death of the body? Such a deception fits Satan the Devil, whom Jesus described as “the father of the lie.” (John 8:44; see also 2 Thessalonians 2:9, 10.) Belief that the dead are really alive in another realm and that we can communicate with them has not benefited mankind. On the contrary, Revelation 18:23 says that, by means of the spiritistic practices of Babylon the Great, “all the nations were misled.” The spiritistic practice of ‘talking with the dead’ is actually a fraudulent deception that can put people in contact with the demons and often leads to a person’s hearing unwanted voices and being harassed by those wicked spirits.

Luke 16:22
Many Christians say that Jesus was not telling a parable or pictorial illustration but was telling things as they actually are. This makes Jesus ridiculous. It makes him talk contrary to the rest of the Bible as to what it has to say about Haʹdes or Sheol.

Accordingly, the “certain rich man” and the “certain beggar named Lazarus” were not literal men; they simply pictured two classes of people. The one class died to its favored position with the Greater Abraham, Jehovah God, and thereafter had a tormenting religious experience on earth. The other class died to its unfavorable religious condition and was conducted by angelic power into the favor of the Greater Abraham, Jehovah God, through his sacrificed Son, Jesus Christ. This understanding and explanation of Jesus’ prophetic parable is based upon the actual historical experience of the two general religious classes among the natural descendants of the patriarch Abraham in Jesus’ day.
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Paarsurrey wrote:

" 2 Thessalonians 2:9, 10. "

Why mix falsehood of Hellenist-Paul's epistles with the truthful teachings of (Jesus) Yeshua- the Israelite Messiah*, please?:
Holy Bible King James Version (Red Letter Edition)
The Roman Catholic Holy Bible with the words of Jesus in red.
World Messianic Bible

Right?

Regards
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* who never died a cursed death on the cross, as per many clues in the Gospels itself, please, right?

#107 , paarsurrey, Question about paul and stephen.And the afterlife.For the Jehovah's Witnesses

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paarsurrey

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" Why do the Christians accuse/blame Jesus of writing the NT Bible? "

#3 , End Times?
Exxxx said: Religion: Christian

Do you think we are approaching End Times?

If so, what makes you think that we are?

And by that I mean the end of the world brought about by God as opposed to by human activity or some kind of natural cataclysm.

Paarsurrey wrote:

Aren't we already very much in the End Times*, and that is why the advent of Second Coming* (1835-1908) - the End Times reformer of all revealed religions has taken place, one gets to know, please? Right?
It must ,however, be kept in mind that the End of Times is also the Beginning of Times when things take a new shape as if man has entered into New Earth and New Sky , evolved and or created for him, please, right?

Regards
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N.B.
  1. *NT is a mix of falsehood of Hellenist-Paul's epistles etc. one gets to know, please
  2. with the *Gospels-
  3. anonymous third person narratives said to contain some events of (Jesus' life)/
  4. Yeshua- the Israelite Messiah, (Gospels) could be truthful if it is in the first person,
  5. doesn't it make, it transpires, an item of “handle with care”, meaning one has to thrash truth from falsehood from within the NT, if possible, please, right??!

#3 , End Times?

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paarsurrey

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#559 , With bafflement upon bafflement!

Rxxxxxxxxxxxxxx said:
You are ignoring the multiple testimonies found in the NT, and in non-Christian sources, that tell us that Jesus died having been crucified whilst Pontius Pilate was Roman governor of Judea. Furthermore, Jesus told his disciples he would die, and the Hebrew scriptures foretell his death!

The scriptures tell us that death comes in stages: spirit, soul, body. Life is also restored in stages: Spirit, soul and body.

Yes, we will all die a bodily death, but just how many mortals can claim Jesus Christ as the 'resurrection and the life'? How many can rest in peace, knowing the saving grace of God?
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Paarsurrey wrote:

Did one quote even a single specific verse from (Jesus) Yeshua- the Israelite Messiah in this connection, please?
Right?
One cannot quote even a single verse from him in this regards, and what makes one happy to see Yeshua dead - a cursed death, on the Cross, please? Right?

Regards
#559 ,,With bafflement upon bafflement!

" Why do the Christians accuse/blame Jesus of writing the NT Bible? "
 

IndigoChild5559

Loving God and my neighbor as myself.
@paarsurrey
In more than one post, you have asked why Christians "accuse" or "blame" Jesus fro writing the NT.

Accuse and blame are words with negative connotations. Chrsitains are not saying anything negative about Jesus. Indeed, in their minds, they are giving Jesus CREDIT for writing the NT, which they consider a wonderful thing.

There logic, while flawed, goes like this. The Bible is inspired by God through his holy spirit. Jesus is God. Thus Jesus is who inspired the NT.
 
Why do the Christians accuse Jesus of writing the (whole) Bible?
While Jesus left nothing in writing, nor Jesus dictate anything to anybody. Isn't it a great sinful activity, please?
Right?

Regards
Agreed! what better way of telling a personal story of a persons life then from those who knew them personally and religiously (pun intended) Jesus never wrote anything if He did He would be bragging about Himself something He says in gospel of John He refuses to do. A sacrificial lamb is humble not boastful.
 

IndigoChild5559

Loving God and my neighbor as myself.
Agreed! what better way of telling a personal story of a persons life then from those who knew them personally and religiously (pun intended) Jesus never wrote anything if He did He would be bragging about Himself something He says in gospel of John He refuses to do. A sacrificial lamb is humble not boastful.
You don't think a person can be humble and still write a book?
 

Twilight Hue

Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.
paarsurrey said:
Did Jesus claim that Jesus is the author of the whole bible in a straightforward and unambiguous manner, please?


Does one mean that it is doubtful that Jesus authored the (whole) NT Bible, please?

Regards
The Catholic Church authored most of the New Testament.
 

paarsurrey

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" Why do the Christians accuse/blame Jesus of writing the NT Bible? "

#5 , Do you think animals and humans end up together in the afterlife?

Frank Goad said:
2 Kings 2:11.Ecclesiastes 3:21.Ecclesiastes 12:7.2 Corinthians 5:6-9.

I got all this from this website:

BibleGateway.com: A searchable online Bible in over 150 versions and 50 languages.

2 Kings 2:11
King James Version

11 And it came to pass, as they still went on, and talked, that, behold, there appeared a chariot of fire, and horses of fire, and parted them both asunder; and Elijah went up by a whirlwind into heaven.

Ecclesiastes 3:21
King James Version

21 Who knoweth the spirit of man that goeth upward, and the spirit of the beast that goeth downward to the earth?

Ecclesiastes 12:7
King James Version

7 Then shall the dust return to the earth as it was: and the spirit shall return unto God who gave it.

In 2 Kings 2:11.It looks like were are dealing with the spirit of animals.And in Ecclesiastes 3:21.The person writing Ecclesiastes 3:21.Is asking were the spirit of humans and animals go at death.And in Ecclesiastes 12:7 it answers that question.I think this answers if animals and humans end up together in the afterlife:

2 Corinthians 5:6-9
King James Version

6 Therefore we are always confident, knowing that, whilst we are at home in the body, we are absent from the Lord:

7 (For we walk by faith, not by sight:)

8 We are confident, I say, and willing rather to be absent from the body, and to be present with the Lord.

9 Wherefore we labour, that, whether present or absent, we may be accepted of him.
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Paarsurrey wrote:

" 2 Corinthians 5:6-9, King James Version "*

Why get mislead and got deviated from the way of (Jesus) Yeshua- the Israelite Messiah, as it appears, and prefer to quote from the Hellenist- Paul's epistles " 2 Corinthians 5:6-9 "*, please?
Does one find any lacking in (Jesus) Yeshua- the Israelite Messiah, to justify it, please? Right?
* "2 Corinthians 5:6-9" is not from Jesus:

Holy Bible King James Version (Red Letter Edition)
The Roman Catholic Holy Bible with the words of Jesus in red.
World Messianic Bible

Right?

Regards

#5 , Do you think animals and humans end up together in the afterlife?

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paarsurrey

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" Why do the Christians accuse/blame Jesus of writing the NT Bible? "

#21 Thread " The trinity in the old testament"

The strongest verse is "the Word was with God and the Word was God" (John 1).
The verse “ John 1 ” referenced and quoted by one in one's post is not from (Jesus)- Yeshua- the Israelite Messiah, please, right?:


Holy Bible King James Version (Red Letter Edition)
The Roman Catholic Holy Bible with the words of Jesus in red.
World Messianic Bible

Right?

Regards

#21

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paarsurrey

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Why do the Christians accuse Jesus of writing the NT Bible?

#10, thread " Romans 1:20 "

The verses “ Romans 1:20 ” as truly observed is not from (Jesus)- Yeshua- the truthful Israelite Messiah, but from the Hellenist Paul please, right?:

Holy Bible King James Version (Red Letter Edition)
The Roman Catholic Holy Bible with the words of Jesus in red.
World Messianic Bible

Right?
Verses in the NT that are not from Jesus, why waste time to ponder over them as these never (could) provide any ( truthful) guidance, please, right?

Regards

Why do the Christians accuse Jesus of writing the NT Bible?
 

paarsurrey

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Why do the Christians accuse Jesus of writing the NT Bible?

#28, thread" Which Came First? "

#28
paarsurrey said:
Didn't G-d (not Christians-God Jesus) always existed, and is therefore the First and the Last , every thing else got existence as bestowed by Him, please? Right?

There is not a separate Christian God there is only one God and you should know that of all people.

That is what both the Father and Jesus say about themselves in the Book of Revelation.
paarsurrey responded :Book of Revelation is not from Jesus/Yeshua the Israelite Messiah, please, right?
If yes, then kindly quote from Jesus that he wrote it, please, right?
paarsurrey says now:
Does everybody here now consents that Jesus was never the the First and the Last as he never claimed it himself in the first person in an unambiguous, unequivocal and straightforward manner, right??
And nobody could quote from Jesus in this connection, please, right?

Regards
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paarsurrey

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Why do the Christians accuse Jesus of writing the NT Bible?
  • #40 ,thread:" Raised "
What does Jesus' physical resurrection mean to you?
paarsurrey: Physical resurrection or Ascension of Jesus- the truthful Israelite Messiah, never took place, isn't it a misconception of the Christians people who have been mislead by the Hellenist Paul, please?

That is the "mystery". In human understanding one can't be 3 and 3 can't be one.

Isn't this "mystery" a fabrication of the Hellenist-Pauline-Church to deviate the simple followers of Jesus/Yeshua- the truthful Israelite Messiah, from his teachings and his deeds, please, right??
The word trinity , and or the weird notion " ONE IN THREE AND THREE IN ONE"
, is not mentioned even once in the Bible by Jesus/Yeshua- the truthful Israelite Messiah, is it mentioned, please?
Right?
Moon said:
What does jesus' physical resurrection mean to you?

I doubt if the resurrection was entirely physical because the physical body had been badly beaten and mutilated. But since there were several witnesses, I am sure it occurred in some way that it appeared to be physical. So Jesus probably appeared in some other body that looked just like his original body but probably was an apparition.
" But since there were several witnesses, "
Jesus did not die on the Cross in the first place, so there was no and could not be any eye-witness of the event, please, right?

Regards
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paarsurrey

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Why do the Christians accuse Jesus of writing the NT Bible?

“The trinity is false – I have proof “

paarsurrey post #18, thread, “ The trinity is false – I have proof ” .
Sxxxxxxt said:
I believe the trinity is false. God is not a trinity. Proof?

1 Corinthians 14.33

For God is not the author of confusion
The trinity create confusion.
And
Exodus 20.5
You shall not bow down to them or worship them; for I, the LORD your God, am a jealous God
According to the trinity God has three I. But according to Exodus 20.5 God has only one I
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paarsurrey says: Sure Trinity is false, please, did Jesus- the truthful Israelite Messiah, ever use the word Trinity or advocate it?
If yes, then anybody to kindly quote from Jesus in first person, please.
I agree with one here, right?

Regards

Why do the Christians accuse Jesus of writing the NT Bible?

 

Twilight Hue

Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.
Why do the Christians accuse Jesus of writing the (whole) Bible?
While Jesus left nothing in writing, nor Jesus dictate anything to anybody. Isn't it a great sinful activity, please?
Right?

Regards
I never heard of that.

Tha Catholic church wrote the NT.
 

paarsurrey

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paarsurrey post #62, thread “Jesus” .

Mxx said:
So 2 billion people that believe Jesus physically rose from the grave are wrong? Wow! That’s a lot of gullible people! Haha.

paarsurrey said:

Sure they are wrong as :
  1. Jesus/Yeshua- the truthful Israelite Messiah never died on the Cross, right?
  2. Never rose from the grave, right?
  3. He died a natural death later ,right?
  4. Never ascended to the skies, right? and therefore,
  5. He is never to return physically, right?
Aren’t all these indications of gullibility, thrown down their throats, by the Hellenist-Pauline-Church, right?
Isn’t it a “haux”, please, right?

Regards
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