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Why do the Christians accuse Jesus of writing the NT Bible?

Subduction Zone

Veteran Member
That would be never.
Once again you are living in a self invoked delusion. For example I showed to you that Exodus 21 22 had been changed. Too bad that you cannot understand how the earlier translations were clearly the correct ones. You are too invested in your own personal beliefs to be able to approach and interpret the Bible logically and honestly.
 

metis

aged ecumenical anthropologist
Lol, it explains how God dealt with humanity before Christ which you claimed was a mystery.
Well, "YHWH" was a name used for one god within their group of deities in the southern Arabian Peninsula that got adopted by Jews to be their only god. Virtually all archeological finds prior to about 3000 b.p. reflect polytheism.

So, laugh all you want, but the reality is that your position deifies basic logic and also the research that has been done on this.

Ever read BAR? If so, you might check out the summer issue.
 

Wildswanderer

Veteran Member
Well, "YHWH" was a name used for one god within their group of deities in the southern Arabian Peninsula that got adopted by Jews to be their only god. Virtually all archeological finds prior to about 3000 b.p. reflect polytheism.

So, laugh all you want, but the reality is that your position deifies basic logic and also the research that has been done on this.

Ever read BAR? If so, you might check out the summer issue.
Browning automatic rifle?
 

rational experiences

Veteran Member
Men's group ego behaviour. Historic the bully.

Leadership ideas first was the same men tally. Beliefs as use of themes...agree use of themes. One man's mind state is one self but agreed by group.

Mutual equal. As you cannot force natural mutual meek equal family to change unless you threaten murder...act out their murder. As their population was greater than the group.

However their consciousness would not murder.

How civilisation began by design...man mind Satan star changed.

I saw the memory in tribe. It was American. In the vision.... My brother murderered our holy father. It was recorded why.

We were all devastated. Even today I would not murder but I would defend myself. How I know.

When civilisation was applied man needed a one leader. Yet his brothers could all be the leader too. So the king was often murdered by his own group.

King a lord in trade technology...high priest. Lords all men trade technology rich too. Sacrificed their lives...as we all live first inside earths heavens.

Ignored human advice.

Life's evil history. How groups of men made choices by group to destroy all life on earth. Claimed blamed...I was innocent first. It was Satan stars fault.

Father's advice said you would not listen to his words spoken wisdom...you denied him.

Began by one man's conscious advice lifes inherited by man men his cult group.

Is the teaching.

A warning. Rich greedy evil technology man by group makes choices secretly to destroy all life on earth. As he's self possessed by the CH machine history.

Known to his conscious one self gases that arose out of earths body sacrifice.

Gases he uses in earth sciences as science kills biology...like CH methane.

The warning natural life natural human natural consciousness first versus scientific satanic man theists.
 

paarsurrey

Veteran Member
" Why do the Christians accuse Jesus of writing the NT Bible? "

Post #5 of paarsurrey, thread " When you are saved from sin..."

Naxxxxxx said
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What does that mean?

Does that mean you no longer sin?
Does it mean that your sins no longer count against you?
Is it a process that happens over time or does it occur right away?
I suppose this is specific to Christianity. I don't think other beliefs have the theological idea of salvation from sin.

Paarsurrey says:

It is a mythical notion of Hellenist-Pauline-ianity, of dying rising atoning deity, it has got nothing to (Jesus) Yeshua- the Israelite Messiah, please. Right?
If not, kindly quote from Yeshua in an unequivocal, straightforward and unambiguous manner, please. Right?

Regards

Post #5 of paarsurrey, thread " When you are saved from sin..."

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paarsurrey

Veteran Member
" Why do the Christians accuse Jesus of writing the NT Bible? "

#51 ,Thread " Bergoglio's crucifix "
Dxxxxxxx20 said:↑
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Adam sinned and brought death into creation.
Jesus the second Adam died and brought Life back!

Jesus died on the cross .... Willingly died, he "Gave" himself to us freely out of perfect love for us!
The cross represents God' love for us Christians!
Christians revere the Cross because it reminds us of God' love for us!

When a Christian looks at the crucifix, we remember Jesus' giving of himself to us!

The Cross is a Christian symbol! Satan was defeated by the cross it brought life back for us; Satan hates the cross he will never let his children to use the cross it is a perfect symbol of love!
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Paarsurrey wrote:

Quote "(Jesus) Willingly died (on the Cross) " Unquote

Does one mean that it was just a drama to save Hellenist Pauline Christians from the sins as they cannot stop from sinning so to save them their cruel-deity in heavens decided to kill his son on the Cross so the son had to commit suicide willingly, please? Right?
Why can't the Pauline Christians stop sinning on their own as did Moses , please? Right?
It is another thing that Jesus did not die on the Cross, so there is no question of this willing Suicidal drama had ever happened, please? Right?
The Pauline-Christians! kindly don't remain in the illusion that they are saved from the sins, Christians are not saved most certainly, one gets to know, please. Right?

Regards

#51 ,Thread " Bergoglio's crucifix "

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rational experiences

Veteran Member
Humans teach humans.

Humans said no man is God. O spinning was a concept men thought about. G spin...O cooling heat inside core DD inferred ...O changing OO forming...including womb void vacuum.

How OO increase of cooling from position DD actualised.

Mother of God and God.

In two places as two separate body types...rock and heavens.

As the sun put rock mass dusts above as above so below the warning.

Pretty basic scientific advice no man is God.

The scientific argument..no man is special no man is God.

Don't self idol..ate

Notice ate is stated with the word idol.

So who did man idolise?

His machine.

Men claim I bent time. What brother did you say you invented the circle ⭕?

Do you own a brain dysfunction?

As my brother could only know a circle by seeing the moon or sun.

So he does exhibit conscious change himself the theist the scientist. As dust mass formed in lines. When his brain was changed the warning the thinker.

If you got your ideas from a huge asteroid burning stone mass above that left it's mass as dusts or little stones above. Then your brain changed then.

To a theist earths machine had time shifted it if it's cold mass metals in earth are law cosmic in seam to above. Just ideas.

Only after he nearly destroyed all life on earth to false preach time shifting.

Now if men said I built carpenter...said carpenter a secret man's words for plate tectonics.

Earth quakes

Weren't you in fact trying to Rip out that earth seam as earths time shift of mass? Earth never a sun was colder mass than the sun.

So when you say no man is God. No special man in heavens saves a scientists machine reaction.

Reasoned as I destroy the dust I didn't react dusts to save dusts. I purposely destroy dusts...no saving of earths body flesh mass.

If don't you believe no man is God and have been self Idolating and will get life destroyed for self idolating?

Your choice egotist men.

Father who you've forgotten not a theist not a scientist was our holy father the human man.

The dusts that attacked you first attack one of was stopped.

Ground dust reactions own no saving the warning.

Cold clear gas formation is most ancient.

As the sun attacked spatial creation the law cold clear gas is gone...just surviving now. So you cannot thesis cosmic cold clear gas the other warning.

Furtherest back in time in space is cold clear gas laws that changed...time shifted into becoming gas alight as time first was clear in the dark.

Says a man's mind.

As you live with mind inside gas space heavens your warning...exact warnings space laws changed itself.

Asteroid stones law changed one third stars fell the other cosmic warning. Frozen stone fixed in space began moving.

If you ask..do you man as the man not a special man first live inside earths heavens?

Yes.

Another warning. You claimed self survival human made you special. You are in the heavens bio living man. Above is termed the sky.

As if you were greater than the sum of all things that only the man by maths had summarised. Just because you survived conscious brain mind chemical changed.

How you perceive advice. Falsely.

You perceived your machine from dusts yet in law it's earth seam melt...cold.
 
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paarsurrey

Veteran Member
" Why do the Christians accuse Jesus of writing the NT Bible? "
Post #18 paarsurrey, thread " Is Bible alive? Bible talks to you?"

Is Bible alive? Bible talks to you?

Was the Christian scripture called Gospels ever alive rather it was born-dead, one imagines, ever since Hellenist Paul faked a vision in which he neither saw Yeshua in person, nor he listened Yeshua's voice most probably, as Paul never knew Yeshua enough to recognize Yeshua's voice, one gets to know, please???! Right?
Did Paul hear from the Devil instead, please? Right?
So, why people fake that Bible- the Christian Gospels talks to them, please? Right?
The Christian Gospels do not belong to Yeshua- the Israelite Messiah, just to remind everybody please, right?

Regards
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Post #18 paarsurrey, thread " Is Bible alive? Bible talks to you?"

" Why do the Christians accuse Jesus of writing the NT Bible? "
 

paarsurrey

Veteran Member
" Why do the Christians accuse Jesus of writing the NT Bible? "

Post #95 paarsurrey, thread " christianity dying of old age?"

Exxxx said:↑

I fear that in Western Europe at least Christianity is dying of old age

Here is a local example of what I think is a more general trend:

On a Sunday at my church there are normally between 20 and 25 people in the congregation

Only three of us are under 40 and I'll turn 40 next year

Everyone else are in their 60s, 70s, and 80s

I am worried for the long-term future of my church as it seems that we will be losing members to old age at a much greater rate to how we are attracting new members

Is this typical in Christianity in general?

My impression is that it is

At least in Western Europe - I understand that in the USA and Africa this is not the case?

I think that the only thing that can save it will be some kind of revival movement:

I believe that it is up to the Christinas of Western Europe to initiate a revival

And that they should do so with a sense of urgency - while there is something left to revive!

Discuss.
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Paarsurrey wrote:

Hellenist Pauline Christianity was still born meaning it was born dead and through faking creeds it was kept on artificially support , and being kept alive for the last 2000 years, it transpires, please. Right?
Now Hellenist Pauline Christianity is well exposed and anytime the support would be withdrawn , wires pulled off and the Cross gets broken with reasonable arguments as prophesied, please. Right?

Regards

Post #95 paarsurrey, thread " christianity dying of old age?"

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paarsurrey

Veteran Member
" Why do the Christians accuse Jesus of writing the NT Bible? "
#54 paarsurrey, thread " Bergoglio's crucifix "

Doxxxxxxx20 said↑

paarsurrey Christians use the "CROSS" it is a CHRISTIAN symbol because Jesus died on a Cross!
Satan hates the Cross! Joseph Rutherford, taught, “The cross of Christ is the greatest pivotal truth of the divine arrangement, from which radiate the hopes of men.”
The Anti-Christ hates the Cross the Anti-Christ is Anti-Christian!
The first-century Roman philosopher Seneca the Younger described crucifixions in a variety of ways. He writes:
I see before me crosses not all alike, but differently made by different peoples: some hang a man head downwards, some force a stick upwards through his groin, some stretch out his arms on a forked gibbet
In the year A.D. 100, the epistle of Barnabas described how Jesus’ outstretched arms on the cross were similar to Moses’ outstretched arms in a battle with the Amalekites.
The second-century apologist Justin Martyr eloquently described the crossbeams used to crucify Jesus. In the third century, Tertullian said that Christians used the Greek letter tau, or “T,” as a sign of the cross.
Biblical scholar Larry Hurtado has even shown how Christian writers in the second century combined the Greek letters for T and R in order to create a symbol that represented the crucifixion called a staurogram.
paarsurrey There is abundant evidence among the early Christians who believed that Jesus was executed on a cross.
All men are sinners!
paarsurrey Jesus GAVE himself willingly no one forced Jesus to go to the cross!
Galatians 1:3 Grace and peace to you from God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ, 4 who gave himself for our sins to rescue us from the present evil age, according to the will of our God and Father, 5 to whom be glory for ever and ever.
Ephesians 5:2
and walk in the way of love, just as Christ loved us and gave himself up for us as a fragrant offering and sacrifice to God.
Ephesians 5:25
Husbands, love your wives, just as Christ loved the church and gave himself up for her
1 Timothy 2:5
For there is one God and one mediator between God and mankind, the man Christ Jesus, 6 who gave himself as a ransom for all people. This has now been witnessed to at the proper time
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Titus 2:14
who gave himself for us to redeem us from all wickedness and to purify for himself a people that are his very own, eager to do what is good.
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Paarsurrey wrote:
" Christians use the "CROSS" it is a CHRISTIAN symbol because Jesus died on a Cross! "

One has poor knowledge of one's religion one claims to adhere to, please. Right?
Yeshua- the Israelite Messiah never made Cross a symbol of the religion he believed in and acted upon, one gets to know, please. Right?
If not, then kindly quote from Yeshua where he made explicitly and in very clear terms " Cross" a symbol of his religion, please. Right?
I quote here an old post #113 in RF:

" Cross is a symbol of terror/cruelty adopted by the Church.
Cross should have not been used on the roof tops of the churches or worn in the neck by the peaceful Christians, of course one does not display the device (knife/dagger/sword) with which one’s loved one has been killed. It is most illogical and irrational to use this symbol for a religion. Is it necessary to continue the mistakes of the ancient people, please? Right?

The scene of Christian God Father cutting throat of Jesus or putting Jesus of Bible on the Cross for imaginary salvation or atonement of the sins of the Catholics Protestants is most cruel form of terror. Right?

I think it is for this that truthful Messenger Prophet Muhammad when he mentioned of Second Coming of Jesus, he also mentioned of rectification of this mistake of the Church continuing it without guidance from Jesus, please. Right?

Muhammad mentioned that when Jesus Second Coming (1835-1908) will take place, (Jesus) Yeshua will break the Cross. Of course this would be done by (Jesus) Yeshua- the Promised Messiah, with rational and logical reasons. Jesus in his Second Coming would expose the tricks of the cunning (Hellenist) Paul who invented the Theological Philosophy of Jesus’ death on Cross. Later Church fixed the Cross as the symbol of the Modern Christianity so Jesus in Second Coming will point out mistake of the (Hellenist- Pauline) Church and its false creeds, never sponsored by Jesus at all. Right?

This is my understanding of the symbol of “Cross”.
No intention to insult any people", please. Right?
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#113 in RF
Re: What use does an atheist have for deities?
#196 paarsurrey
Re: What use does an atheist have for deities?
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#54 paarsurrey, thread " Bergoglio's crucifix "

" Why do the Christians accuse Jesus of writing the NT Bible? "
 

LuisDantas

Aura of atheification
Premium Member
What would one say about the other points in my post #6, please?

Regards
That is just one website, with content from a specific group with unusual interpretations of the purpose and origin of biblical text.

Other Christians really have no duty to agree with that view at all. In all honesty, it is not even unusual for people from any given Christian group to simply disregard such specific claims.

Is that wrong? I would think not, but then again I am no Christian. I value personal responsibility over authorship claims.
 

paarsurrey

Veteran Member
" Why do the Christians accuse Jesus of writing the NT Bible? "

#149 paarsurrey, thread " Getting Rid of Demons"
paarsurrey said:
Getting Rid of Demons

I don't get that (Jesus) Yeshua- the Israelite Messiah ever believed in Demons, this must also have been from the Hellenist- Pauline Christianity, please, right?

Second Coming 1835-1908, did not have to cast demons out from his followers or non-followers, as demons never ever existed nor do they exist now, please, right?
Regards

catxxx said:

I take it you have not spent much time reading the bible
paarsurrey said:

When a Catholic friend presented me a Catholic-Bible (OT+NT), it took me three years to finish and make my notes, then when on his initiative he arranged a Catholic Bible Study course I attended it, I had some queries from the notes from where they started, but they abruptly stopped sending it. Right? Regards

catxxx said:
tell me your questions

paarsurrey said:


Didn't the Hellenist Paul fake a vision that he had heard the voice of (Jesus) Yeshua- the Israelite Messiah while Paul never was in the company of Yeshua to recognize his voice, in all probability Paul was visited by the devil, it transpires, please? Right?

Regards

#149 paarsurrey, thread " Getting Rid of Demons"

" Why do the Christians accuse Jesus of writing the NT Bible? "
 

pearl

Well-Known Member
Didn't the Hellenist Paul fake a vision that he had heard the voice of (Jesus) Yeshua- the Israelite Messiah while Paul never was in the company of Yeshua to recognize his voice, in all probability Paul was visited by the devil, it transpires, please? Right?

You are assuming that Christ actually, literally, spoke 'words'. Your whole premise seems to be based upon a literalist, fundamentalist approach to Scripture.
 

paarsurrey

Veteran Member
" Why do the Christians accuse Jesus of writing the NT Bible? "

#68 , #72 , thread " Poll: Dark Forces? "

paarsurrey said:
" that the prophecies in the Bible failed? "

Does one mean the prophecies in the OT or specifically of the Gospels, please? Right?
Regards

nPxxxx said
Both. Did you want specifics?
Paarsurrey wrote:
Will one kindly quote the prophecy that (Jesus) Yeshua- the Israelite Messiah made in the first person in an unambiguous, unequivocal and straightforward manner in the Gospels, please? Right?
Regards
nPxxxx said
Destruction of Jerusalem, as prophesied by Jesus the Messiah.

(Luke 19:41-44) 41 And when he got nearby, he viewed the city and wept over it, 42 saying: “If you, even you, had discerned on this day the things having to do with peace - but now they have been hidden from your eyes. 43 Because the days will come upon you when your enemies will build around you a fortification of pointed stakes and will encircle you and besiege you from every side. 44 They will dash you and your children within you to the ground, and they will not leave a stone upon a stone in you, because you did not discern the time of your being inspected.”

(Luke 21:20-24) 20 “However, when you see Jerusalem surrounded by encamped armies, then know that the desolating of her has drawn near. 21 Then let those in Ju·deʹa begin fleeing to the mountains, let those in the midst of her leave, and let those in the countryside not enter into her, 22 because these are days for meting out justice in order that all the things written may be fulfilled. 23 Woe to the pregnant women and those nursing a baby in those days! For there will be great distress on the land and wrath against this people. 24 And they will fall by the edge of the sword and be led captive into all the nations; and Jerusalem will be trampled on by the nations until the appointed times of the nations are fulfilled.
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Paarsurrey wrote:

" (Luke 19:41-44) 41 And when he got nearby "

Isn't it evident that it is a third person narrative by some (anonymous) narrator named "Luke" as a deceptive ploy by the Hellenist Paul's associates and the Church, please? Right?
It is not a first person document from (Jesus) the Israelite Messiah, it transpires, please. Right?
Regards

#68 , #72 , thread " Poll: Dark Forces? "
Note : NT-Bible or the Gospels are neither:
  1. written by (Jesus) Yeshua- the Israelite Messiah
  2. nor spoken by him
  3. nor authored by him
  4. nor dictated by him to any person. Right?
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