Why do you accept Jesus as Messiah?

[loverofhumanity]

In Islam, we believe he is the Messeeh because Allah says so in the Quran and Muslims believe the Quran to be the last and final message to mankind from Allah.

I was also born and raised in a Christian household so it kinda was easy for me to believe in Jesus as the Messiah first. Then when I came to Islam, I totally believed he was a mighty messenger of Allah (pbuh) and all things were good

What made you believe in the Quran?

 

[loverofhumanity]

Even the most careful historian can make mistakes and many are biased.

The only way I know is to use all my intelligence and my whole heart. Our intelligence can evaluate whether something is reasonable and holds together. It can look for signs that someone is honest or hypocritical. Our heart, our intuition, can ideally sense the nature of a person.

Of course, being imperfect, we make mistakes. So the final step is to practice - to live according to our understanding and see the result.

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Congratulations! I think that’s beautifully put. Same here. It was a combination of a good feeling, lots and lots of questions then trying it out to see the results.

 

[loverofhumanity]

Hi loverofhumanity. Good morning. I believe in Yahshua my Savior for several reasons. The first reason I believe is because he has fulfilled the prophesies concerning him. They are many scriptures that indicate a Messiah would come and save His people such as Genesis 3:15; Genesis 49:10; Micah 5:2; Isaiah 7:14; Isaiah 9:6; Isaiah 40:3-5; Psalm 69:8; Isaiah 11:10; Psalm 31:13 etc. Therefore the Word of Yahweh harmonizes completely from Genesis to Revelation. This beautiful harmony of the scriptures is proof that Yahshua, originally a spirit-being, took on human form, to be the sin-bearer of Yahweh's people.

The second reason is the content of what Yahshua taught. He wasn't teaching anything unscriptural. As I mentioned on another thread, Yahshua came to magnify the law and make it honorable (Isaiah 42:21). He came to at a time when Judaism needed to be reformed. Judaism was going astray, putting their traditions which they had formulated above the Law of Yahweh such as in Matthew 15:2. They had failed to show love to Yahweh and their neighbor as commanded in the Hebrew Scriptures. The third reason is that from my own personal experience, following Yahshua and keeping the commandments has produced good fruit in my life. I can see that by following Yahshua we can bring our lives to a state of perfection pleasing to the Father (Matthew 5:48).

The fourth reason is that it makes sense. Yahweh sent His son, the one who pre-existed with the Father in the Hebrew Scriptures and was known as the Angel of Yahweh, to save us from our sins. He showed to Abraham what he would do at Mount Moriah when it was told to Abraham to offer his son as a sacrifice there, and Abraham called that place Yahweh Yireh meaning Yahweh will provide. Yahweh has provided wicked sinners a way out. A way to have their sins cleansed through baptism (Isaiah 1:18) so we can have access to Yahweh.

Bible Gateway passage: Genesis 22:13-15 - American Standard Version

We know from the Word that sins (or transgressions of the Biblical Law we read in 1 John 3:4) separate us from Yahweh (Isaiah 59:2). How then would the nations, or anyone, whether home-born or foreigner, have the chance to be saved except their sins were forgiven by miraculous intervention? The problem is, when you sin, the more you sin, the less chance you have of having your prayers answered, of having a healthy relationship with Yahweh and making it in to the Kingdom. It's a vicious cycle ultimatly leading the sinner to a destiny of never recovering from their predicament. But Yahweh Yireh. He provided the sin sacrifice so anyone who thirsts for righteousness could enter in to the Kingdom and find a place in Yahweh's grace.

Prophecies are a good proof. Added to that your own experience means that you do not blindly believe.

 

[loverofhumanity]

Forced educational system. And the snitch christian neighbor. Plus the government and local authorities. All christian.

So you do not believe or unwillingly?

 

[Kenny]

Why are you talking about Alexander? Is Alexander the secret identity of Nebuchadnezzar?

Is Alexander Batman?

Relevancy? I thought we were talking about Tyre being completely destroyed... not who destroyed it

 

[Kenny]

I don't. But it doesn't matter. If it turns out that that the plays were really written by Amanda Jenkins from London, it would be a really interesting historical discovery, but it would not be crucial to our application of the plays as either entertainment or literature. OTOH, if it turns out that Amandia Jinkius of Londinium wrote the New Testament...or even just the books attributed to Paul...would be a really interesting historical discovery and Christianity would be hosed.

happy hunting

 

[ppp]

Relevancy? I thought we were talking about Tyre being completely destroyed... not who destroyed it

Don't ask me about relevancy when you're the one who for the Alexander. Go back and read the passage in Ezekiel. It's specifically says that Nebuchadnezzar would utterly destroy aTyre and that it would never be rebuilt. That did not happen. Your reference to Alexander is utterly irrelevant. What was predicted in that passage did not come to pass. In any way whatsoever.

 

[ppp]

happy hunting

Don't fuss at me about relevance and then make an utterly irrelevant post.

 

[MyM]

What made you believe in the Quran?

Actually, when I was younger, I was learning about quite a few different things. I went through loads of Bibles, books and more books. I came upon the Quran and I got this really nervous feeling somehow. I can't explain it. But when I opened it, I started reading. I noticed every chapter started with In the name of Allah, the most compassionate, the most Merciful. It was an amazing feelin when I started reading, as if Allah was right there. I didn't want to put it down. I read so many verses and they all seemed so masterful. I first wanted to learn about Jesus and coming from a Christian background, I wanted to understand what Jesus was in the Quran. I found chapter Maryam and it was as if I understood for the first time about Jesus pbuh.
The Quran I found was very similar to the Bible with all the names and people I knew in Christianity. I felt so relaxed and at ease and I really didn't want to put it down. It wasn't for some time however, that I became Muslim. Took some time of inner struggling to calm down. I was scared that I would be denying God/Jesus somehow and then, I realized I woke up one morning and was putting on my shoes and it hit me. I believed.

 

[alypius]

All we have are reported, unverified Biblical records of His earthly ministry. We cannot prove the authenticity of those records.

If one accepts the authenticity of much older documents (like Plato's Dialogues), then on what grounds is the much more recent New Testament rejected as not authentic?

 

[ppp]

If one accepts the authenticity of much older documents (like Plato's Dialogues), then on what grounds is the much more recent New Testament rejected as not authentic?

There is nothing about Plato's dialogues that require that one believes that the events actually happened. They are hypotheticals to illustrate a point, not assertions of reality. The New testament at least as Christians use. It is an assertion that these things actually happened and are actually true in reality. It's a vast difference.

 

[loverofhumanity]

Actually, when I was younger, I was learning about quite a few different things. I went through loads of Bibles, books and more books. I came upon the Quran and I got this really nervous feeling somehow. I can't explain it. But when I opened it, I started reading. I noticed every chapter started with In the name of Allah, the most compassionate, the most Merciful. It was an amazing feelin when I started reading, as if Allah was right there. I didn't want to put it down. I read so many verses and they all seemed so masterful. I first wanted to learn about Jesus and coming from a Christian background, I wanted to understand what Jesus was in the Quran. I found chapter Maryam and it was as if I understood for the first time about Jesus pbuh.
The Quran I found was very similar to the Bible with all the names and people I knew in Christianity. I felt so relaxed and at ease and I really didn't want to put it down. It wasn't for some time however, that I became Muslim. Took some time of inner struggling to calm down. I was scared that I would be denying God/Jesus somehow and then, I realized I woke up one morning and was putting on my shoes and it hit me. I believed.

You probably found that to accept the Quran is also accepting Jesus and you didn’t have to give up belief in the Bible. It made your belief in Christ stronger. Nice story.

 

[loverofhumanity]

If one accepts the authenticity of much older documents (like Plato's Dialogues), then on what grounds is the much more recent New Testament rejected as not authentic?

I don’t think we have evidence for either. A lot relies on recorded sayings by others which cannot be verified. So much of these beliefs rests on faith alone.

 

[syo]

So you do not believe or unwillingly?

Yup.

 

[MyM]

You probably found that to accept the Quran is also accepting Jesus and you didn’t have to give up belief in the Bible. It made your belief in Christ stronger. Nice story.

Thank you

When things like what Adam taught, Abraham taught, Noah, Moses, David, Sulaymon, and many many many many more prophets may Allah be pleased with them all, they all taught one God -including Jesus So it wasn't that big of a leap. What scared me the most were my parents, my family, my friends and my church goin friends. They thought accepting Islam is denying Jesus-which is not the case I love him. Actually, you cannot be a Muslim without believing in Jesus.

 

[Triumph]

What tells us a belief about any Prophet or God is true? And how do we know that ‘belief’ is correct?

Proof that a prophet is true happens in that point in time that the events foretold actually take place. Jesus tells us to believe in the OT prophets. God did give them visions of what will happen. The difficulty understanding many messages is they are told in parables, metaphor and symbolism. People that want to believe they are literal will never understand the message. It is challenging to understand the meaning. Like, blood, flesh, wine and bread can all mean doctrine. It is clear that Israel represents both the fig tree and the olive tree. So that is 2 parts of Israel, the government/military is the olive and the religion is the fig. Jesus is the vine and Christianity is the vine tree because it has branched off into so many different beliefs.
Matthew 21:19
And when he saw a fig tree in the way, he came to it, and found nothing thereon, but leaves only, and said unto it, Let no fruit grow on thee henceforward for ever. And presently the fig tree withered away."
Jesus loves the people of Israel, but their religion is not correct, has no fruit. Jesus came to remove belief in their religion by teaching truth and sought to lead people completely away from that religion into a new religion accepted by God for their survival so their old beliefs would cease to exist, wither away. As mentioned, God did warn Israel of their future by prophets, and we are to listen to them. Israel would kill their prophets because they did not want to believe what they said is true.

Clues to meaning are offered, as a nation is called both a mountain and a tree. Foothill is the military that people must pass over to reach the people at the top of the mountain/nation in control of the government. So when a scripture states trees are talking, that is not literal, it means heads of nations are talking with each other. When a forest is marching that means nations have joined together to fight a war.
Jeremiah states,
3::23 Truly in vain is salvation hoped for from the hills, and from the multitude of mountains: truly in the LORD our God is the salvation of Israel." hills= militaries hope they will prevail in battle and multitude of mountains may mean a world war involving Israel.

The prophet Isaiah in chapter 17:1 The burden of Damascus. Behold, Damascus is taken away from being a city, and it shall be a ruinous heap." Damascus [ Syria ], nearly 500,000 people have been killed in the decade-long civil war in Syria since the Syria revolution on March 15, 2011, informed the Syria Observatory for Human Rights (SOHR). Control of Damascus has been fought over for a decade and many buildings that have not been bombed, stand empty because the occupants fled war. It is ruined because there is no peace.
Jeremiah also warns of this current war in 49:24 "Damascus is waxed feeble, and turneth herself to flee, and fear hath seized on her: anguish and sorrows have taken her, as a woman in travail." Like a woman in travail represents an uncertain future for the children of Syria.

Jeremiah 4:18
Thy way and thy doings have procured these things unto thee; this is thy wickedness, because it is bitter, because it reacheth unto thine heart."
Bitter= wickedness that people desire to do and choose to do even though it is wrong

Revelation 10:10
And I took the little book out of the angel's hand, and ate it up; and it was in my mouth sweet as honey: and as soon as I had eaten it, my belly was bitter."
The little book is knowledge of the future which is sweet because people want to know what will happen before it does and they desire/expect a happy future. But once taken in and understood, knowledge of the evil desires for war in the world and the final results makes one sick to their stomach.

 

[CG Didymus]

What made you believe in Christ? No one has met Him. All we have are reported, unverified Biblical records of His earthly ministry. We cannot prove the authenticity of those records.

So what made you a devout Christian? Something you believe Jesus said or taught? How do we know what Jesus actually said when we have no written words in His handwriting? How do you authentic that Jesus spoke those words in the Gospels as He didn’t confirm His sayings in writing anywhere?

So are Christians believing in Jesus on ‘reported’ sayings and here say? If you believe in the Bible, how do you know it’s true? Evidence? Or do you just trust that it is from God and that’s that?

Is the New Testament the truth? What exactly is it saying? Not that I believe it, but I understand why some Christians take it very literally. To them, Satan is real. He deceived Adam and Eve and caused them to disobey God. The NT says that sin and death entered the world because of that. A perfect sacrifice was needed and that was Jesus.

If the NT is true, then no one else can save people from their sins. But, other than some Christians, who wants to believe that? But other religions, like the Baha'i Faith want to include Jesus in their beliefs also. But with a few changes. No literal hell or Satan. No resurrection. And no original or inherited sin from Adam. Baha'is make these, and other stories in the Bible and the NT, symbolic. I find that version just as unbelievable as the Christian literal interpretation.

 

[loverofhumanity]

Proof that a prophet is true happens in that point in time that the events foretold actually take place. Jesus tells us to believe in the OT prophets. God did give them visions of what will happen. The difficulty understanding many messages is they are told in parables, metaphor and symbolism. People that want to believe they are literal will never understand the message. It is challenging to understand the meaning. Like, blood, flesh, wine and bread can all mean doctrine. It is clear that Israel represents both the fig tree and the olive tree. So that is 2 parts of Israel, the government/military is the olive and the religion is the fig. Jesus is the vine and Christianity is the vine tree because it has branched off into so many different beliefs.
Matthew 21:19
And when he saw a fig tree in the way, he came to it, and found nothing thereon, but leaves only, and said unto it, Let no fruit grow on thee henceforward for ever. And presently the fig tree withered away."
Jesus loves the people of Israel, but their religion is not correct, has no fruit. Jesus came to remove belief in their religion by teaching truth and sought to lead people completely away from that religion into a new religion accepted by God for their survival so their old beliefs would cease to exist, wither away. As mentioned, God did warn Israel of their future by prophets, and we are to listen to them. Israel would kill their prophets because they did not want to believe what they said is true.

Clues to meaning are offered, as a nation is called both a mountain and a tree. Foothill is the military that people must pass over to reach the people at the top of the mountain/nation in control of the government. So when a scripture states trees are talking, that is not literal, it means heads of nations are talking with each other. When a forest is marching that means nations have joined together to fight a war.
Jeremiah states,
3::23 Truly in vain is salvation hoped for from the hills, and from the multitude of mountains: truly in the LORD our God is the salvation of Israel." hills= militaries hope they will prevail in battle and multitude of mountains may mean a world war involving Israel.

The prophet Isaiah in chapter 17:1 The burden of Damascus. Behold, Damascus is taken away from being a city, and it shall be a ruinous heap." Damascus [ Syria ], nearly 500,000 people have been killed in the decade-long civil war in Syria since the Syria revolution on March 15, 2011, informed the Syria Observatory for Human Rights (SOHR). Control of Damascus has been fought over for a decade and many buildings that have not been bombed, stand empty because the occupants fled war. It is ruined because there is no peace.
Jeremiah also warns of this current war in 49:24 "Damascus is waxed feeble, and turneth herself to flee, and fear hath seized on her: anguish and sorrows have taken her, as a woman in travail." Like a woman in travail represents an uncertain future for the children of Syria.

Jeremiah 4:18
Thy way and thy doings have procured these things unto thee; this is thy wickedness, because it is bitter, because it reacheth unto thine heart."
Bitter= wickedness that people desire to do and choose to do even though it is wrong

Revelation 10:10
And I took the little book out of the angel's hand, and ate it up; and it was in my mouth sweet as honey: and as soon as I had eaten it, my belly was bitter."
The little book is knowledge of the future which is sweet because people want to know what will happen before it does and they desire/expect a happy future. But once taken in and understood, knowledge of the evil desires for war in the world and the final results makes one sick to their stomach.

It’s a real pity the world has been gripped by ungodliness. It could be so much better and this could be a real nice place to live in.

 

[loverofhumanity]

Is the New Testament the truth? What exactly is it saying? Not that I believe it, but I understand why some Christians take it very literally. To them, Satan is real. He deceived Adam and Eve and caused them to disobey God. The NT says that sin and death entered the world because of that. A perfect sacrifice was needed and that was Jesus.

If the NT is true, then no one else can save people from their sins. But, other than some Christians, who wants to believe that? But other religions, like the Baha'i Faith want to include Jesus in their beliefs also. But with a few changes. No literal hell or Satan. No resurrection. And no original or inherited sin from Adam. Baha'is make these, and other stories in the Bible and the NT, symbolic. I find that version just as unbelievable as the Christian literal interpretation.

The problem is that to know which is literal figurative or both, we need someone of the calibre of a Prophet. That’s why I always refer these interpretations to Baha’u’llah.

 

[CG Didymus]

It’s a real pity the world has been gripped by ungodliness. It could be so much better and this could be a real nice place to live in.

Extreme "God" beliefs have been the cause of a lot of grief too. But also the ordinary "believers"... Those that don't live up to the standards of their religion. Every religion has people that still lie, cheat, steal, and do all sorts of "evil" deeds. When the Abrahamic religions can live together in peace, that will be something.