InChrist
Free4ever
Jesus is not a part of Judaism, yet I believe He is certainly prominent in the OT
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Why Do You Reject Jesus?
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firedragon
Veteran Member
Why Salix? Why one, but not another? You speak of evidence right? Can you explain why you could accept Jesus was a teacher etc but no lord or savior? Is that based on evidence or your predisposition?
Jimmy
King Phenomenon
Well, according to the Jewish people on this website and followers of Judaism they don’t give Jesus another thought so…..
Balthazzar
N. Germanic Descent
It doesn't matter what it says about the world and how you interpret this. I understand it the only way I'm able. I wasn't there. I wasn't his friend. He never called me his friend. I wasn't part of his team who only had two swords against a roman troop out to apprehend him. He gave his life for his friends. We give our own as a contribution to the world we live in. Our hands, feet, mouths, ears and actions are part of our contribution to everyone else. Jesus was shamed. He despised that shame. It became a curse and is counted as one. I'll honor his life and his sacrifice for his friends. They lived because he went peacefully. A stand-up guy he was and a good teacher.
Ebionite
Well-Known Member
The name of Jesus is a corruption of Yeshua. The long form (Yahushua) is found in Zechariah 3, which relates to the inquity that was borne by the righteous servant of Isaiah 53. The righteous servant is also mentioned in Psalm 35, and relates to the man who was a member of the Jewish community in Palestine. The prophetic context of the righteous servant of Judaism matches the description of aspects of the life of Jesus described in the gospels.
InChrist
Free4ever
Well, that is true.
InChrist
Free4ever
Thanks for sharing your perspective further. That’s not how I understand it, but no need to argue with you. Have a good evening.
Balthazzar
N. Germanic Descent
Yup, you too.
Jimmy
King Phenomenon
Ok but not according to the Jewish people that I’ve talked to on this website.
Ebionite
Well-Known Member
Rabbinical Judaism is a development of Pharasaism so there is historical prejudice there.
Jimmy
King Phenomenon
Not exactly sure what that means
Eliana
Member
Since you can't be respectful I'm not going to engage you.
Ebionite
Well-Known Member
The criticism of the Pharisees from the gospels of making the law a burden relates to the Talmudic practice of making a fence around the Torah. Denying that Jesus is part of Judaism is the most direct way of nullifying that criticism.
Jimmy
King Phenomenon
Still lost
Ebionite
Well-Known Member
Both Psalm 35 and Isaiah 53 are about the righteous servant.
Psalm 35 describes false witnesses who are treated as friends. When Jesus was taken he referred to Judas as a friend. Judas came in the company of the chief priests and elders, and the the chief priests and elders were responsible for finding the false witnesses who testified about Jesus.
Psalm 35 also refers to a net and a pit (entraptment), and a verbal trap was set for Jesus when he was asked whether or not tribute should be paid to Caesar. The issue of tribute was also part of the false allegations made against Jesus.
Also the reference to eating could be about the Pauline communion, which is about death.
With hypocritical mockers in feasts, they gnashed upon me with their teeth.
Psalms 35:16
For as often as ye eat this bread, and drink this cup, ye do shew the Lord's death till he come.
1 Corinthians 11:26
Ebionite
Well-Known Member
One of the criticisms of the Pharisees was that they were outwardly beautiful but inwardly repugnant. Denying that a criticism is relevant is a way of keeping up appearances that is consistent with a focus on the superficial. The characteristic is typical of the prideful or boastful, which was a characteristic of Paul, who was both a Christian and a Pharisee.
Trailblazer
Veteran Member
So do you think that Jesus was the only righteous servant who ever existed?
Ebionite
Well-Known Member
No, the point is that the title of 'righteous servant' is not commonly used in the Bible and there are several associations between that title and prophetic references to Yeshua/Yahushua (Jesus).
Trailblazer
Veteran Member
Read Isaiah 53. Jews believe it is about Israel, Christians believe it is about Jesus, and Baha’is believe it is about Baha’u’llah.
You have to read the whole chapter and each verse to determine what or who it is about.
Christians and Baha’is believe Isaiah 53 is about the Messiah but only some verses could apply to Jesus whereas all the verses can be applied to Baha’u’llah. Of course one has to know Baha'i history in order to know that.
Regarding Isaiah 53:3, Jesus was despised and rejected by certain Jews who wanted Him executed, but He was not rejected by most men. Jesus was a man of sorrows, and acquainted with grief, but He was esteemed by many men. Certainly, Isaiah 53:4, Isaiah 53:5, and Isaiah 53:8 could apply to Jesus, but they also apply to Baha’u’llah. However, Isaiah 53:9 and Isaiah 53:10 cannot apply to Jesus because Jesus did not make His grave with the wicked, and with the rich in his death. Jesus made his soul an offering for sin, but He did not see his seed and His days were not prolonged, so there is no way Isaiah 53:10 can be about Jesus, and that is why we know it is about someone else who would be the Messiah of the end days, someone to whom all the verses can be applied.
Karma is not about it ensuring that good things happen to good PPL and bad things happen to bad people. Karma is the awareness that actions bind a person, physically with their consequences, and mentally, through creating habits and modes of acting that reduce their freedom to do otherwise. Thus human actions and reactions become predictable, like that of inanimate matter, as we loose the ability to act, think and behave with the freedom that we truly possess. If we are bound like inanimate matter, we would be treated by the universe like inanimate matter....she will make us and break us like the mountains and the sea. And THAT is why we suffer. Rocks don't feel happy or suffer as they rise with the mountains or fall into the sea. But we are happy as we rise in status and circumstances and are sad when we fall into poverty or sickness.
Thus Karma Yoga is the skill that is taught on how to act without causing those actions to bind you physically or mentally, to regain and retain your freedom of will from the chain of habits and conditioning. For a skillful one, the making and unmaking that is the cycle of natural life is no longer a cause of either exhuberence or depression. And freedom brings with it the unconditioned joy that is the first step in path of a true spiritual awakening.