Why Do You Reject Jesus?

[Jimmy]

Intellectual integrity.

I accept Jesus while retaining my intellectual integrity.

 

[Jimmy]

I wouldn't say I outright "reject" Jesus or any other god/savior figure head. I think Jesus is quoted as saying some thoughtful things, much as Siddhartha or Zoroaster are. Just because I like some of the things these people say or are attributed with saying doesn't mean I believe everything they are supposed to have done as well. People are prone to stretching the truth; especially when religion is involved

When it comes to literal truths I'm only interested in entertaining what has empirical weight behind it. So far "supernatural" claims fall short in this regard

I beieve space is infinite. I also believe it’s supernatural. It also happens to be my God.

 

[Soandso]

I beieve space is infinite. I also believe it’s supernatural. It also happens to be my God.

I mean... Anyone can believe anything. That doesn't mean they have empirical weight behind them. We already talked about your thoughts on how space is "infinite" and "supernatural"

 

[Jimmy]

I wouldn't say I outright "reject" Jesus or any other god/savior figure head. I think Jesus is quoted as saying some thoughtful things, much as Siddhartha or Zoroaster are. Just because I like some of the things these people say or are attributed with saying doesn't mean I believe everything they are supposed to have done as well. People are prone to stretching the truth; especially when religion is involved

When it comes to literal truths I'm only interested in entertaining what has empirical weight behind it. So far "supernatural" claims fall short in this regard

I beieve space is infinite. I also believe it’s supernatural. It also happens to be my God.

I mean... Anyone can believe anything. That doesn't mean they have empirical weight behind them. We already talked about your thoughts on how space is "infinite" and "supernatural"

One who has faith has no need for empirical weight.

 

[Soandso]

One who has faith has no need for empirical weight.

And yet most scientists in the world happen to be religious. Seems reality doesn't align with your assumptions

Credulity isn't the same thing as faith, and faith doesn't have to exist as an opposite force to skepticism

 

[Jimmy]

And yet most scientists in the world happen to be religious. Seems reality doesn't align with your assumptions

Credulity isn't the same thing as faith, and faith doesn't have to exist as an opposite force to skepticism

I’m not a scientist.

 

[Soandso]

I’m not a scientist.

 

[Jimmy]

Unfortunately you have. What you said makes no sense to me or millions of Christian’s. It makes a lot of sense regarding scientists. I’ll give you that. So reality is aligning with my assumptions quite well.

 

[Link]

What is your reason for not accepting Jesus Christ as your lord and savior? The one who saves us all from eternal death—separation from God—according to the Holy Bible.

I believe all leaders of guidance as saviors, masters, mediators between God and people.

I believe the religion of God is consistent in all times. I believe the Gospels was not just about Jesus (a) position, but before him, Yahya (a) (John) and after him the praised one to come (Mohammad (s)) and also Moses (a) and Elijah (a) and all Prophets (a), so it was correcting the corruption of the tanakh in that regard.

And the person who was light of the world between Jesus (a) and Mohammad (s) on earth was Elijah (a). That's the secret of the proof of how he came back and the analogy to John (a) who was also the same position but people killed him and were trying to squash the truth of Isa (a) and so Elijah (a) returning is proven by the fact Jesus (a) was leaving earth and would be hidden.

 

[Jimmy]

I believe all leaders of guidance as saviors, masters, mediators between God and people.

I believe the religion of God is consistent in all times.

Yes, but do you believe it is through him that you attain everlasting life?

 

[Link]

Yes, but do you believe it is through him that you attain everlasting life?

He held the position of the holy spirit, and whoever God saves by the holy spirit will attain everlasting life. Right now, the person holding that position of the name of God and face of God is the Mahdi, the Twelfth Imam, since, he is the highest of all souls on earth.

 

[SalixIncendium]

What is your reason for not accepting Jesus Christ as your lord and savior? The one who saves us all from eternal death—separation from God—according to the Holy Bible.

There is zero evidence for his being my lord or savior from eternal death.

That my job.

Asato mā sadgamaya,
tamaso mā jyotirgamaya,
mṛtyormā'mṛtaṃ gamaya.

Lead me from the unreal to the real,
lead me from darkness unto light,
lead me from death to immortality.

 

[Jimmy]

He held the position of the holy spirit, and whoever God saves by the holy spirit will attain everlasting life. Right now, the person holding that position of the name of God and face of God is the Mahdi, the Twelfth Imam, since, he is the highest of all souls on earth.

Is this a real living man on earth? Also, is he known or is his identity unknown?

 

[SalixIncendium]

You don’t have to be messed up to believe in Jesus.

I just want to point out that there is a difference between "believe in Jesus" and "accepting Jesus [Christ] as your lord and savior."

 

[Jimmy]

There is zero evidence for his being my lord or savior from eternal death.

That my job.

Asato mā sadgamaya,
tamaso mā jyotirgamaya,
mṛtyormā'mṛtaṃ gamaya.

Lead me from the unreal to the real,
lead me from darkness unto light,
lead me from death to immortality.

I don’t need evidence.

 

[Jimmy]

I just want to point out that there is a difference between "believe in Jesus" and "accepting Jesus [Christ] as your lord and savior."

I don’t see any.

 

[mikkel_the_dane]

What is your reason for not accepting Jesus Christ as your lord and savior? The one who saves us all from eternal death—separation from God—according to the Holy Bible.

Because nobody have objectively solved which version to believe in of all the religions at play.

 

[Link]

Is this a real living man on earth? Also, is he known or is his identity unknown?

Yes. He is unknown until per Quran you turn to God often enough that God guides you to him and shows the guidance through his hands. Miracles can be asked too and this one of the main roles, he shows the signs in terms of miracles and manifests the wonders of Quran.

Per prayer taught by Imam Reda (a) for example for the Ghayba, we are taught to pray to be guided by his hands.

Surah 13 shows that Messengers had offspring, and signs would continue in that offspring, as for all people there is a guide. But Surah Yonus and Surah Isra shows that God stops sending such miracles in public in times which means the Guide becomes hidden. The question remains how we ensure God guides us by the guide of time? It's to pray to God and turn to God often per chapter 13. This is why Imam Jaffar (a) linked aliflammeemraa to Imam Mahdi (a). Each of the sacred multi-layered acronyms refers to one of the Ma'asoomeen. It might seem odd that the most important one of Ahlulbayt (a) for end times, has only one Surah, but that's because God wants us to focus on a very show message with him in that regards to his disappearance.

If you want to meet him these are the steps:

(1) Recognize God
(2) Recognize his Messenger
(3) Recognize his proof
And ask God to guide you by his hands when you see all these together.

 

[Jimmy]

First of all, I don't reject Jesus, but the problem with your OP is that he doesn't save us all. The terminology is vague and religious. He saves those of mankind who accept him and act accordingly, thus saving all mankind as a whole. From destruction. Separation from God? Is also vague and religious, so in a practical and specific manner, could you briefly explain what you think that might mean?

It is through Jesus we attain everlasting life.

 

[SalixIncendium]

I don’t need evidence.

I do.