Why Do You Reject Jesus?

[shunyadragon]

@Sargonski
How did YHWH die? Was YHWH a person who was a king?

YHWH was not a person originally a Canaanite or (Kenite) God of metal or metallurgy such as Bronze adopted by Hebrews in the early pantheon of Hebrew Gods. Archeology and text references support this.

YHWH: The Kenite God of Metallurgy - TheTorah.com

The Bible describes YHWH as glowing (kabod), and YHWH’s heat as melting mountains, imagery connected with volcano gods, the divine patrons of metalworkers such as the Kenites, who lived in the Negev region. Indeed, the description of Israel’s encounter with YHWH at Sinai portrays a volcanic...

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YHWH: The Kenite God of Metallurgy​

The Bible describes YHWH as glowing (kabod), and YHWH’s heat as melting mountains, imagery connected with volcano gods, the divine patrons of metalworkers such as the Kenites, who lived in the Negev region. Indeed, the description of Israel’s encounter with YHWH at Sinai portrays a volcanic eruption, with smoke “as if from a furnace” (Exodus 19:18).

 

[Sargonski]

@Sargonski
How did YHWH die? Was YHWH a person who was a king?

Why are you asking if YHWH was a Person - KIng ? .. and why you asking me .. as that is not what the Bible says ? Lord YHWH is a powerful God - albeit an anthropomorphic God .. one of the numerous "Sons of the Supreme God" .. Gods who we are told can be killed .. Psalm 82 :6
You are gods; all of you are sons of the Most High.’[n] 7 Yet you will die like mortals;[
Bible Gateway passage: Psalm 82 - New English Translation
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How did YHWH die you ask .. .. How is it that you don't know that YHWH died is a better question don't you think ? .. are you not aware of the Christian God - Jewish God - and by some accounts the Muslim God. ... ?

and if you are aware of this God and various traditions ands covenants .. how is it that you got left out of the loop that YHWH dies in season 4 ? Just like his counterpart and nemisis Baal .. although Baal is reborn .. but that is another story .. one you are probably unfamiliar and I don't think there is a parallel with YHWH so no need to dwell .

Now this is not my story - not one I wrote - nor my perspective if it doesn't float your boat .. nor your perspective for that matters not either .. it is what the the Israelites and Judites living in Judah thought that matters .. living in Judah when the House where Lord YHWH's name resides was destroyed - to them .. God had died ... please watch the first 15 seconds of the video for confirmation of the death of YHWH.

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So -- now that you have received the missed memo - if Lord YHWH dies .. who then is the God of Judaism ? and alternately who is the God of Jesus ? .. as the followers of Jesus talk about the "Living God" right ?!

 

[bobhikes]

What is your reason for not accepting Jesus Christ as your lord and savior? The one who saves us all from eternal death—separation from God—according to the Holy Bible.

I don't need a lord and Savior and I only want a peaceful eternal death.

 

[IndigoChild5559]

@Sargonski
How did YHWH die? Was YHWH a person who was a king?

You are still talking to someone who doesn't even know that Adonai is a Hebrew word and not Greek? I'm really mystified. I know that in my life, I try to avoid unreliable sources. But suit yourself.

YHWH is the name for God, specifically the Hebrew/Israelite/Jewish God who is the creator of the universe. He was never a human king or any other kind of human. Never. He is eternal, meaning never born/created and will never die/end.

 

[River Sea]

Why are you asking if YHWH was a Person - KIng ? .. and why you asking me .. as that is not what the Bible says ? Lord YHWH is a powerful God - albeit an anthropomorphic God .. one of the numerous "Sons of the Supreme God" .. Gods who we are told can be killed .. Psalm 82 :6
You are gods; all of you are sons of the Most High.’[n] 7 Yet you will die like mortals;[
Bible Gateway passage: Psalm 82 - New English Translation
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How did YHWH die you ask .. .. How is it that you don't know that YHWH died is a better question don't you think ? .. are you not aware of the Christian God - Jewish God - and by some accounts the Muslim God. ... ?

and if you are aware of this God and various traditions ands covenants .. how is it that you got left out of the loop that YHWH dies in season 4 ? Just like his counterpart and nemisis Baal .. although Baal is reborn .. but that is another story .. one you are probably unfamiliar and I don't think there is a parallel with YHWH so no need to dwell .

Now this is not my story - not one I wrote - nor my perspective if it doesn't float your boat .. nor your perspective for that matters not either .. it is what the the Israelites and Judites living in Judah thought that matters .. living in Judah when the House where Lord YHWH's name resides was destroyed - to them .. God had died ... please watch the first 15 seconds of the video for confirmation of the death of YHWH.

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So -- now that you have received the missed memo - if Lord YHWH dies .. who then is the God of Judaism ? and alternately who is the God of Jesus ? .. as the followers of Jesus talk about the "Living God" right ?!

@Sargonski

I couldn't see the video you shared.

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It won't let me see video.

 

[Sargonski]

@Sargonski

I couldn't see the video you shared.

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This video contains content from PBS, who has blocked it in your country on copyright grounds

It won't let me see video.

Darn .. that is really too bad --- it is a 2 hour long history channel video on Judaism which starts after the time when the Babylonians have destroyed the "Place where Gods Name Resided" the Jerusalem Temple .. and it is with the burning Temple that the story starts .. Less than 30 seconds in with the statement "God is Dead" --- then asking what are the Jews - and Israelites going to do now.

In any case .. the point was to look at what the Israelites and Judahites believed in 580BC .. and what their story about God was .. as opposed to the story of a modern scholar .. or the Jews at the time of Jesus 600-700 years later .. or the Gentiles .

The Religion of Judah in 580 BC is not the Religion of the Jews 700 years later ... in fact it is not the religion of the Jews 100 years later .. after liberation and transformation under Persia .. the move from Polytheism - Henotheism to Monotheism.

So .. the Jews at the time believe their God is Dead .. lost not just the battle - something that had happened a number of times before but, now has lost the war . .. instead of Lord YHWH - son of God becomming Chief God on Earth . a different son of God named Marduk wins the Title.. .. this situation existing for 2.5 generations .. until Persia comes along the King Cyrus ... "The Annointed one of God" -- Pontifex Maximus the Jewish Christ figure in a way .. under who's influence a new Religion called Judaism takes shape .. a new religion with a New God .. vastly different from the Old God .. and much more powerful

 

[River Sea]

You are still talking to someone who doesn't even know that Adonai is a Hebrew word and not Greek? I'm really mystified. I know that in my life, I try to avoid unreliable sources. But suit yourself.

YHWH is the name for God, specifically the Hebrew/Israelite/Jewish God who is the creator of the universe. He was never a human king or any other kind of human. Never. He is eternal, meaning never born/created and will never die/end.

Was YHWH an Ancient Egyptian borrowed loanword?

Vowels spoken but not written in the Ancient Egyptian writings?

This religious area is a king's crisis; who'll be the future king, David or Jesus or? All were humans, and people in their tribe today think the same as back when with kingdoms. tribal kingdoms, who'll be the future king, or how do Kemet's believe @Tamino goes to Hathor; at least don't cry out for a king queen, am I understanding correctly, so no crises then? Or do you, @Tamino, join this crisis? Who'll be the future king or queen? Is it Hathor, Jesus, or David, or who?

I was asking if YHWH was a human king or not king but a great human who did great things, ever similar due to how @Tamino shows connection to Hathor.

At least the Egyptians or Kemet at least shows humans who they connect to later in how to allow what to drink from? @Tamino I'm not using your words because I forgot how you word them. I'll need to reference more. And I'm lazy.

It is an observation that now I need to go look for to reference.

I'm lazy, but I'll go reference this

Here it is.

HatHor, the Golden One, Lady of Dendera ... and I totally didn't see that coming, I never liked Ancient Egypt all that much as a child. But then I travelled to Egypt and my soul never left again.

Notice how @Tamino goes to for connection yet at one time HatHor was a human being

My observation is: was these that people connect to actual humans who did great things, that causes then for many to remember and eventually either connect to to help connect to to drink from

So I wonder if YHWH was a human being at one time

Oh and @IndigoChild5559 if you question what the Jews think their God has the ability of an animal 'goat run off a mountain' as an example: don't break any bones but drain the blood. This trigger people later to use a human 'don't break bones drain the blood' to me I don't think it's ok., as I was told it's ok what Pilate did to a human being who was prefect as a ruler, to do the Jews begging of., because the Jews were afraid of what? Claiming to be King? As Jews has David as King. see it's a King crises, who'll be the future king. Who? Is it Jesus human King or David human King., it's a king crises and yes I said human. As we're all Gods. It is that some people did great things and others cling to., just like to @Tamino clings to Hathor., some clings to Jesus while others clings to David. It is after a human being passes away a person can use that to help them to connect to and drink from. Some goes directly to some uses to help connect to. All goes to to drink from. Different paths to go to to drink from. Or I could call this the Kabballah. As the Kabbalah means to receive and learn allowing to receive. The teacher lives in us teaches us Kabballah. Because the word lives in us as we are the books of this word.

Yet still to in lieu and substitute as you @IndigoChild5559 claim as your 613 laws still is: yet your temple 70 CE destroyed, yet so Jews in Lieu and Substitute, as others given up and uses the blood of a human without the bones broken and witches they are as they line up their craft to drink the blood of and eat the flesh in their churches - some Jews reject this, and rely on their Lieu and Substitute

I think both areas is a craft and it's witches as we're all witches crafting out ways to help connect and or going directly, yet this area that's told by a person that it's ok I had question this, how would this comfort me, for any goat and or any human to be a sacrifice?

Later I learned that Kemet also sacrifice as well

I'm learning and this is only an observation, if it's not YHWH a human then perhaps someone else was the human who then used YHWH in order to communicate that then explained what had happened in directed many to be led out of the land that had a drought, for the tribe to survive when finding a place to call home and has water. Was YHWH a name that's borrowed from ancient Egyptian loanwords in describing what had already happened, to find a home for a tribe to live where there's water. YHWH was used to explain a past story that had already taken place. And by then using Ancient Egyptians borrowed loanwords to tell this past story:

They left Indus Valley then eventually adapted to ancient Egyptians vocabulary and later somehow Greeks came into the scene?

 

[River Sea]

YHWH: The Kenite God of Metallurgy​

The Bible describes YHWH as glowing (kabod), and YHWH’s heat as melting mountains, imagery connected with volcano gods, the divine patrons of metalworkers such as the Kenites, who lived in the Negev region. Indeed, the description of Israel’s encounter with YHWH at Sinai portrays a volcanic eruption, with smoke “as if from a furnace” (Exodus 19:18).

So people thought YHWH is a volcano, and perhaps this word YHWH and naming volcano came from ancient Egyptian borrowed loanwords. It came from this volcano from Iran with different vocabulary before people adapted to borrowed loanwords from ancient Egypt after traveling through Ancient Iran.

Here's Taftan volcano before arriving and adapting from Egyptian borrowed loan words to describe a volcano.

 

[River Sea]

Many religions have a future crisis on who'll be the king., as they still continue the past kingdom tribal fears to this day.

When I analyzed Jarasandha and Kamsa, there was a fear of Krishna being born a boy.

Krishna was born a boy and had to flee for his life; eventually Krishna killed Kamsa, and Krishna's cousin killed Jarasandha.

What was the problem? It was a crisis on who'll be the king.

Of course Krishna never became king, as Krishna left Indus Valley ancient India with the Yadavas.

But it's still happening to this day. Who'll be the future King? Will it be David, Jesus, or who?

It's the same scene just played out longer due to there's no fears now about Kings and Queens as it used to have been, as now it's a standstill of time, either the era of David to continue or the era of Jesus to continue.

As Krishna left Indus Valley, this became less of a concern due to no need for a king from this area, and India doesn't have this crisis of a future king to add to the ring of who'll be the future king.

Krishna isn't in the ring of who'll be the future king. Krishna faded, a past story without a crisis. Because no threats to who'll be the future king

Long ago and it faded, any fears that Krishna brought, such as fears when Jarasandha and Kamsa walked the earth, who'll be the future king, was the fear in ancient India.

I ask, How come India hadn't joined this ring of fearing who'll be the future King?

How come other nations and/or religions join this ring of fearing who'll be the future King?

I might need to articulate this better.

 

[River Sea]

Darn .. that is really too bad --- it is a 2 hour long history channel video on Judaism which starts after the time when the Babylonians have destroyed the "Place where Gods Name Resided" the Jerusalem Temple .. and it is with the burning Temple that the story starts .. Less than 30 seconds in with the statement "God is Dead" --- then asking what are the Jews - and Israelites going to do now.

In any case .. the point was to look at what the Israelites and Judahites believed in 580BC .. and what their story about God was .. as opposed to the story of a modern scholar .. or the Jews at the time of Jesus 600-700 years later .. or the Gentiles .

The Religion of Judah in 580 BC is not the Religion of the Jews 700 years later ... in fact it is not the religion of the Jews 100 years later .. after liberation and transformation under Persia .. the move from Polytheism - Henotheism to Monotheism.

So .. the Jews at the time believe their God is Dead .. lost not just the battle - something that had happened a number of times before but, now has lost the war . .. instead of Lord YHWH - son of God becomming Chief God on Earth . a different son of God named Marduk wins the Title.. .. this situation existing for 2.5 generations .. until Persia comes along the King Cyrus ... "The Annointed one of God" -- Pontifex Maximus the Jewish Christ figure in a way .. under who's influence a new Religion called Judaism takes shape .. a new religion with a New God .. vastly different from the Old God .. and much more powerful

@Sargonski
You're claiming God being Ahura Mazda overcoming Jealousy and so not to be Jealous, and is the King Cyrus of Persia.

How did this new God Ahura Mazda King Cyrus of Persia feels about mud volcanoes that would cause issues for people in Fars province in Iran, causing challenges to go eastward from Fars to Indus Valley or west from Indus Valley to Fars?

@Sargonski you wrote:
one of 70 Sons of EL dying at the hand of Lord Marduk .. Least according the last remaining two tribes Judah and Benjamin

My responds:
Where are the Benjamins I never hear from them online. I mainly hear from Jews online.

@Sargonski
How come I never hear from the Benjamin's tribe online?

What did the Benjamin tribe think of Marduk, and what did Marduk think of the Benjamin tribe?

Do the Benjamin tribe have 613 laws similar to the Jews, who are In Lieu and substituting 'till they get their temple built again, what about a temple for the Benjamin tribe?

Do the Benjamin tribe use any ancient Egyptian borrowed loanwords do you know of @Bharat Jhunjhunwala

 

[IndigoChild5559]

Was YHWH an Ancient Egyptian borrowed loanword?

I've never seen a scholar of ancient Egypt suggest this.

Vowels spoken but not written in the Ancient Egyptian writings?

I don't know enough about Egyptian hyroglyphs to answer. I know that it was VERY common back then for phonetic languages to not represent vowels. The whole idea of how to have a successful alphabet was still in its infancy.

I was asking if YHWH was a human king or not king but a great human who did great things, ever similar due to how

I have answered this so many times, that I see no point in repeating it again, since you don't care enough about what I have said to commit it to memory.

 

[shunyadragon]

So people thought YHWH is a volcano, and perhaps this word YHWH and naming volcano came from ancient Egyptian borrowed loanwords. It came from this volcano from Iran with different vocabulary before people adapted to borrowed loanwords from ancient Egypt after traveling through Ancient Iran.

Here's Taftan volcano before arriving and adapting from Egyptian borrowed loan words to describe a volcano.

No, cite my post correctly and we can talk.

 

[oldbadger]

What is your reason for not accepting Jesus Christ as your lord and savior? The one who saves us all from eternal death—separation from God—according to the Holy Bible.

Hello Jimmy......
Whilst I do accept that Jesus was a real person I can't accept any ideas about Christ or living forever.
My reason is that there is no evidence for these claims and beliefs.
And History suggests strongly that Christians haven't believed in it either. Just look at what they've done.

 

[blü 2]

What is your reason for not accepting Jesus Christ as your lord and savior? The one who saves us all from eternal death—separation from God—according to the Holy Bible.

Well, first of all I'm an igtheist and a materialist.

Second, all an omnipotent God has to do to forgive sins is snap those omnipotent fingers and bingo! I've never understood why it was necessary for an omnipotent God to sacrifice [his] son to [him]self in order to "redeem" people. Assuming it had any validity, it's also extremely inefficient, in that some two thousand years down the track there are still people who've never heard of Jesus.

Besides, there is no original sin in the Tanakh. If you disagree, I invite you to read Genesis 2 and 3 very carefully and quote me every instance of the word "sin" there. Instead there's Ezekiel 18, all of it but not least 18:20, saying unambiguously that sin can't be inherited.

And third, there are, in my view, a variety of reasons for disliking Christianity (though that doesn't translate to disliking Christians as such). I set out a number of them here >Your Complaints About Christianity?<.

 

[gotti]

What is your reason for not accepting Jesus Christ as your lord and savior? The one who saves us all from eternal death—separation from God—according to the Holy Bible.

Because living a life as a human being doesn't require anyone to even consider the offer, much less accept or reject Jesus.

Your question is stupid because it presupposes that it's a confirmed fact that Jesus is some kind of god.

This this a broken thread from the first post.

 

[gotti]

Well, first of all I'm an igtheist and a materialist.

Second, all an omnipotent God has to do to forgive sins is snap those omnipotent fingers and bingo! I've never understood why it was necessary for an omnipotent God to sacrifice [his] son to [him]self in order to "redeem" people. Assuming it had any validity, it's also extremely inefficient, in that some two thousand years down the track there are still people who've never heard of Jesus.

Besides, there is no original sin in the Tanakh. If you disagree, I invite you to read Genesis 2 and 3 very carefully and quote me every instance of the word "sin" there. Instead there's Ezekiel 18, all of it but not least 18:20, saying unambiguously that sin can't be inherited.

And third, there are, in my view, a variety of reasons for disliking Christianity (though that doesn't translate to disliking Christians as such). I set out a number of them here >Your Complaints About Christianity?<.

"igtheist" - cool new word for me.

Describes my approach to god perfectly.

And great post in its entirety.

 

[Sargonski]

@Sargonski
How come I never hear from the Benjamin's tribe online?

What did the Benjamin tribe think of Marduk, and what did Marduk think of the Benjamin tribe?

Do the Benjamin tribe have 613 laws similar to the Jews, who are In Lieu and substituting 'till they get their temple built again, what about a temple for the Benjamin tribe?

Do the Benjamin tribe use any ancient Egyptian borrowed loanwords do you know of @Bharat Jhunjhunwala

I have mentioned the Benjaminites and they thought the same thing about Marduk as the Judahites .. and the Israelites who managed to find their way .. same thing as the Canaanites .. from which all the three aforementioned descend .. same thing as the Phonecians .. Assyrians .. Babylonians. .. all who looked up on Marduk and YHWH as "bnei Elohim" Sons of God .. 70 of these sons from the high God EL and consort Asherah but who is counting

The Benjaminites .. nor the Israelites .. nor Judahites had 613 laws -- those did not come until after the death of YHWH .. and surely the Benjaminites would have had many Egyptian Loan words that would be common throughout the region .. thats how things work linguistically speaking

Did these questions lead anywhere or are you still stunned to learn about YHWH's death .. and can't manage to find a straight path .

. in response to YHWH being an Egyptian Loan word from another post -- The God YHWH seems to have been from Yahu of the Shasu -- these nomads lived alongside or were Midianites .. being from the land of Midian where Moses went for 40 years .. the land where he met this God ..and yes this is also where the vulcan God relationship comes from . can't remember where but in the Bible it is said somewhere that YHWH came out of Edom .. or the South .. around this Midian region .. historically the Ediomites are thought to have been worshipers of a YHWH God .. just by a different name .. Qos if memory serves. and later later .. in the ~2cnd 3rd Century .. the Edomites become Jews .. amalgamated into the Jewish state that formed ..

Yahu of the Shasu is mentioned in Egyptian inscriptions dating back to the 15th century -- these semitic peoples likely related to the legendary Hyksos.

 

[IndigoChild5559]

@Sargonski
How come I never hear from the Benjamin's tribe online?

Because except in rare cases, those of the tribe of Benjamin have intermarried with other Jews. To the best of my knowledge, it really doesn't exist anymore as a distinct tribe. It is possible that if you had the funds to look for some, you might find a few. But I have personally never met a Jew who says they are of Benjamin.

What did the Benjamin tribe think of Marduk, and what did Marduk think of the Benjamin tribe?

I'm pretty sure they didn't spend much time thinking about Marduk. Marduk would have been considered a false god.

Do the Benjamin tribe have 613 laws similar to the Jews, who are In Lieu and substituting 'till they get their temple built again, what about a temple for the Benjamin tribe?

Those of the tribe of Benjamin ARE Jews. The terms Hebrew, Israelite, and Jew all refer to the same thing. The word Jew had its origin in that it referred to the Kingdom of Judah. The tribe of Benjamin was part of that Kingdom, so they were Jews. Consider the following text:

Esther 2:5
"Now there was in the citadel of Susa a Jew of the tribe of Benjamin, named Mordecai son of Jair, the son of Shimei, the son of Kish."

Do the Benjamin tribe use any ancient Egyptian borrowed loanwords do you know of @Bharat Jhunjhunwala

Depending on the time in history, those of Benjamin would have spoken Hebrew and/or Aramaic. There do seem to be some Egyptian words which were taken, the pronunciation changed, and adopted. If you ask AI for them, you'll get a good list.

 

[IndigoChild5559]

all who looked up on Marduk and YHWH as "bnei Elohim"

I can't speak for non-Jewish people, but none of the Israelite tribes would have thought of Marduk as "b'nei Elohim" (bnei is plural by the way).

The Benjaminites .. nor the Israelites .. nor Judahites had 613 laws -- those did not come until after the death of YHWH

YHWH is the eternal God. He was never born, and he never died. Why do you keep passing on this nonsense?

in response to YHWH being an Egyptian Loan word from another post -- The God YHWH seems to have been from Yahu of the Shasu -- these nomads lived alongside or were Midianites .. being from the land of Midian where Moses went for 40 years ..

Although you are correct about the Shasu, there is NO evidence that YHWH derives from any Egyptian word. Why do you keep passing on this nonsense.

 

[Sargonski]

I can't speak for non-Jewish people, but none of the Israelite tribes would have thought of Marduk as "b'nei Elohim" (bnei is plural by the way).

YHWH is the eternal God. He was never born, and he never died. Why do you keep passing on this nonsense?

Although you are correct about the Shasu, there is NO evidence that YHWH derives from any Egyptian word. Why do you keep passing on this nonsense.

yes .. the term is "sons of God" Plural ... and Marduk was one of them .. so you are incorrect .. everyone would know Marduk as one of the Sons of God .. thus you are wrong - making things up - and do not understand what you are talking about .. nor the context of the conversation in the post you are responding to.

"YHWH is the Eternal God" is desperately cried out !! followed by personal invective .. desperate to demonize the messenger -- classic Ad Hom Fallacy.

YHWH is the Eternal God According to who ?? - no understanding of the context have you. Not sure who you are talking about .. but according to the first Jews living in and around Judah when Marduk defeated YHWH and destroyed "the place where his name resides" -- YHWH was dead.. as per the first 3 words of this History Channel documentary on the subject ..

and last - I never claimed that YHWH was derived from an Egyption word .. (strawman fallacy) and in fact stated directly that I did not think that .. the poster I was responding to had broached the question .. once again no understanding of the context.