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Why does Donald Trump hold such power over the Republican Party?

Maninthemiddle

Active Member
What a bizarre assessment the above is. Intellectually, he's head & shoulders over Trump, the latter of which some close to him have said he's losing it.
The man is clearly Senile, one half of the world pity him the other half see him to be a joke and are laughing at the USA as a result.
What is bizarre is that you would defend his term despite the fact he cannot finish a sentence.
The USA as never been in worse shape and the rest of the world does not listen to Biden.
 

F1fan

Veteran Member
I was not referring to transparency in terms of finances, I was talking about the cover up of Bidens mental state.
What are you basing this judgment on? He's obviously aging and slower, but I have to say he is still able to deliver a speech and take questions with coherent and honest answers. So are you referring to the typical mental state of a guy his age? He's doing vastly better than Trump, and even Reagan at the end of his presidency.
He is totally incapable of doing the job and if it was not kept from people he would not be President.
Odd thing to say since he is in the news daily doing the job. He just got back from a trip to an active war zone, the first time since Lincoln.

Maybe you are clarvoyant and seeing headlines from 2028.
 

Jayhawker Soule

-- untitled --
Premium Member
Then you are complicit.

Yes, by not supporting our evil and broken system
No, by enabling abject misogyny and vicious homophobia, by enabling the proliferation of assault weapons and mass shootings, and by enabling the further exploitation and degradation of communities of color ... and the list goes on.

Militant indifference in the face of a potential Trump ascendency is to be complicit in the rise of neo-facism.
 

1137

Here until I storm off again
Premium Member
No, by enabling abject misogyny and vicious homophobia,
by enabling the proliferation of assault weapons and mass shootings, and by enabling the further exploitation and degradation of communities of color ... and the list goes on.
So all things we see on both sides (or similar) when we're being objectively honest.
Militant indifference in the face of a potential Trump ascendency is to be complicit in the rise of neo-facism.
I agree, so instead of indifferently following what you're told to do like a good little sheep, why don't you find a new way?;
 

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
So your claim that you don't support evil was false, no problem. I don't. I pick good instead.
You mistake being given a choice with 2
horrible options (no others), & picking the
lesser evil as actual support for what that
lesser evil intends.
Your picking good simply evades the dilemma.
 

anna.

colors your eyes with what's not there
He'd never held public office, so there was no
way to know if what he said reflected what he'd
do in office. Hillary had a record of oppressive
government & wanting war.

That's just opinions of others, not data.

The data was there, for those who were looking. We can't say we weren't warned.

Two letters:

OPEN LETTER ON DONALD TRUMP FROM GOP NATIONAL SECURITY LEADERS​

MARCH 2, 2016


A Letter From G.O.P. National Security Officials Opposing Donald Trump​

AUG. 8, 2016



It seems that Hillary would be less evil.
Trump's behavior in the White House from
2017 to 2021 yielded much data, eh.

I agree, albeit prior to the election, so I voted for Hillary. Not in the primary, but in the general.
 

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
The data was there, for those who were looking. We can't say we weren't warned.
Aren't you the one who posted...
"Not gonna resurrect old arguments..."

You're looking only at reasons to vote against Trump.
But there were two candidates in that race (setting
aside the 3rd party types who were doomed to lose).

You're not addressing Hillary's record versus Trump's.
And that's the problem we had here on RF back then,
ie, that most people picked a side without considering
what their candidate had done before, & threatened
to do. Such blindness is no way to decide on a vote.
I evaluated both.

If you really want to understand that old donnybrook,
I suggest searching for the threads, & reading those.
I've no interest in going thru it all again. It's now moot.
 

anna.

colors your eyes with what's not there
You're looking only at reasons to vote against Trump.
But there were two candidates in that race (setting
aside the 3rd party types who were doomed to lose).

You're not addressing Hillary's record versus Trump's.
And that's the problem we had here on RF back then,
ie, that most people picked a side without considering
what their candidate had done before, & threatened
to do. Such blindness is no way to decide on a vote.
I evaluated both.


I'm looking at many experts in his own party, who would never have wanted Hillary to win, who warned that Trump was a danger to the country. They were right. I did my due diligence, far more digging than the average American voter, and I could see he was a danger to the country. As I said, I don't plan on rehashing history, I did all my arguing elsewhere, and missed it all here.

Edit: I see you added the additional snark. I absolutely don't plan on rehashing history. You asked why, so we went from there. My bad for assuming good intent. And no, I won't be looking for any old threads. Not interested.
 

anna.

colors your eyes with what's not there
Again, search for the threads.
Newbies shouldn't expect us to repeat
old arguments that we've moved past.

A newbie dig? How quaint. I didn't expect anything, that's your strawman. I said I was surprised you voted for Trump, you asked why, I told you why, you defended your vote, I asked if in hindsight you'd vote the same because I was genuinely curious, and now you're in a huff because I won't look up old threads?

Again, not interested. It's enough to know you helped Trump into the White House in 2016, I could not care less why you thought that was a good idea then or now.

Got nothing else to add here, feel free to have a last snark.
 
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1137

Here until I storm off again
Premium Member
You mistake being given a choice with 2
horrible options (no others), & picking the
lesser evil as actual support for what that
lesser evil intends.
Your picking good simply evades the dilemma.
Thats the thing, you and the Reps buy into this false dichotomy when there are more than 2 options. As usual both parties are quite similar in this.
 

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
Thats the thing, you and the Reps buy into this false dichotomy when there are more than 2 options. As usual both parties are quite similar in this.
You fail to understand my view. I don't claim that
it's The Truth. Just a method of steering the ship
of state in the best direction.

The only candidates who can win the US presidency
will be either Democrat or Republican. No 3rd party
candidate has yet had a real chance at winning.
So if you vote 3rd party, you're letting other voters
decide which Dem or Pub will govern us.

I only vote 3rd party when I can't influence which
Dem or Pub wins. But when an election is close,
& one of the Big Two is a greater evil than the other,
I'll vote for the lesser evil. Because that's better than
letting the greater evil win.
 

Maninthemiddle

Active Member
What are you basing this judgment on? He's obviously aging and slower, but I have to say he is still able to deliver a speech and take questions with coherent and honest answers. So are you referring to the typical mental state of a guy his age? He's doing vastly better than Trump, and even Reagan at the end of his presidency.

Odd thing to say since he is in the news daily doing the job. He just got back from a trip to an active war zone, the first time since Lincoln.

Maybe you are clarvoyant and seeing headlines from 2028.
Oh come on, we do have televisions in Australia.
Every week he is on television fumbling and forgetting what he is doing,
How could you possibly be in such denial, I wouldn't let the man manage my savings account.
 

Maninthemiddle

Active Member
hmm, if it is kept from people, how do you know about it? Are you not people?
Well I will spell it out, I thought it was obvious but perhaps it's to much to expect everyone to understand even the simplest of things.
He is now in the public view much more, in Australia we never saw him much until he was elected.
How did he pass a Medical, how did people not see what is obvious after 30 seconds of watching him, senility.
The fact that he is still working is a disgrace, but you people see no problem with the man running a Country.
 
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